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O H,  Again, where do we stand with pushing the Ohio border down, past Toledo. Let Michigan have it.
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Again, where do we stand with pushing the Ohio border down, past Toledo. Let Michigan have it.
Well, since the Rockets are undefeated against Michigan all-time, I'd say Toledo would then become the owner of their new state. Fine.
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The truth is, without knowing the details of the info in the emails and not knowing the details or nature of the federal investigation, we fans have no clue as to what would have been the proper course of action for Tressel.
If he was contacted by a Fed. via email, told their was a "classified investigation" going on and 2 of his players may be involved...and the info in the email is to be considered classified (confidential, Secret or Top Secret), what is Tressel supposed to do?
Does the NCAA's right to know supercede Federal Laws that govern the handling of classified information?...I HAVE NO IDEA who Tressel should have notified or if he did notify anyone.
At least Tressel didn't offer Cam Newton 200K to come to The OSU.
Fact is, many talking heads are going off "half cocked" and those fans listening to these talking heads are not a lot better.
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Oh yeah and the press will just sit idly by and let all of that happen with no digging or anything....and all will be hunky dory....What planet do you live on again?
If he goes to the NCAA....or even if he just doesn't play those players......the press will get wind of it and dig and will break the story and blow the drug investigation.
I don't care who you are ...if a FEDERAL OFFICIAL says don't tell your boss...you don't tell your boss. In this case he was simply told to keep his mouth shut. And I even stated that there may have been steps he could have taken to try and walk both lines. But when it comes down to it...FEDERAL beats NCAA.....and even if he had tried those things...Federal may still have said ...No shut your mouth...
I already said he should face whatever the NCAA throws out and probably could have done things differently. It was his choice to remain quiet. It is our OPINION as to the reason why....However, I am more inclined to believe a federal attorney (or official) than someone who has a hate filled agenda against Tressel. Especially since they turned themselves in as well as the players earlier.
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From your article:
"Since 2000, Ohio State has reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to The Dispatch through public-records requests. Most infractions were minor -- a coach called a recruit too many times, for example. Others, however, left athletes benched, fined or at least embarrassed."
OSU has self reported more than any other school that provided documents to the newspaper.
What schools gave their documents to the paper? How serious were the violations?
If anything, the fact that they seem to self report on each and every minor infraction seems to point to the fact that they try to police themselves quite closely. That's what it looks like to me anyway. I suppose that it looks differently to someone else with a different perspective.
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This isnt so much an indictment on these schools or coaches so much as the crappy parents of today and punk kids we are producing.
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OK.....put yourself in his position....On one side you you keep your mouth shut and you face NCAA suspensions, Fines, and even losing your job....on the other side you open your mouth the press get a hold of it and take off with it and blow it out of major proportions and you blow a FEDERAL drug investigation and face FEDERAL PRISON.......Hmmmm decisions.....decisions......
Did he handle it incorrectly.....Absolutely. There were things he could have done, as was mentioned. Such as contacting his lawyer, contacting the people who told him to be quiet about things to see if there was something they could work out. But in the end...following NCAA by the book would have blown a federal drug investigation out of the water and things would be far worse. And as one person said....Federal Law trumps NCAA rules every time.
I say he takes his licking(as he should...he broke the rules and should face those concequences) and keeps on ticking...End of story...everything else is just hater-vision.
First of all, the first email says nothing of being confidential. Absolutely nothing. The 2nd email, 2 weeks later, mentions it. Lastly, the last email, sent June 6th, says the feds had reached a resolution on Rife. Tressel still said nothing.
Tressel then signed paperwork in September saying he had reported any and all possible infractions to the school and/or NCAA. He then was asked again in December about reporting any and all violations, and he said nothing. He would have continued to say nothing had the university not found his emails.
He intentionally hid information, and lied about knowing anything. He then played his kids who he knew were ineligible. There should be major consequences for those actions. Much more than 2 meaningless games and $250k.
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If anything, the fact that they seem to self report on each and every minor infraction seems to point to the fact that they try to police themselves quite closely. That's what it looks like to me anyway. I suppose that it looks differently to someone else with a different perspective.
Absolutely.
Most people take the "where there's smoke, there's fire" approach, so I was using that link as an anecdote as to why so many people were jumping all over OSU on message boards(as the original poster alluded to). I certainly understand it can be taken either way.
The thing that bothers me in this instance is Tressel wreaking of the "I'm not sorry I did it, I'm sorry I got caught" cologne. I suppose it's in their best interests to deny any and everything they can but there seems to be a pretty large chunk of information that completely contradicts what OSU's coach and athletic department seem to be saying (to this point).
Will be interesting to see what happens. If Tressel did indeed lie to the NCAA (and on more than one occasion), he's going to receive a very, very stiff punishment. People reference the Cam Newton fiasco but the big hurdle there was the inability to find concrete information (and most importantly a money trail). That doesn't seem to be the problem in this instance.
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And Michigan can't get past Toledo, so good luck pushing that border down.
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OK .... so Cicnero, a former player and Columbus attorney who has lied about having an affair with a judge in the past, and who has had his law license suspended, sends Tressel a letter saying that his players are under investigation ....... and that is enough that Tressel should have notified the school and NCAA? Sorry, but I don't see this as a big deal. If a different former player sends Tressel an email next year claiming that 2 current players are under investigation for taking the wrong side in "Mars Attacks", should he have to go running to the NCAA and the AD? This is much ado about nothing unless there is much more to the story. If he knew, firsthand, such as being questioned by police, or having a player come to him, then yes, then he did something wrong ...... but, for all we know, Tressel , knowing full well Cicnero's past, and deciding that he didn't trust the source, and wasn't going to cause problems over nothing .... got the email and dismissively said "I'll look into it." http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/03/former_ohio_state_player_ident.htmlFormer Ohio State player identified as attorney who sent warning email to Jim Tressel Published: Wednesday, March 09, 2011, 10:07 PM Updated: Wednesday, March 09, 2011, 10:08 PM By Doug Lesmerises, The Plain Dealer COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A former Buckeye player was the lawyer who last April informed Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel that two of his players may have been selling memorabilia to a suspected drug trafficker. Tressel didn't share the information with his superiors, in violation of NCAA rules, leading to the two-game suspension and $250,000 fine Ohio State announced on Tuesday. Christopher Cicero, a Columbus attorney, exchanged the emails with Tressel, a source told The Plain Dealer. Tressel on Tuesday cited his desire to protect the confidentiality of Cicero and not interfere with a federal investigation, as well as fearing for the safety of his two players involved, as the reasons he didn't share the information. According to the Ohio State media guide, Cicero earned a varsity letter with the Buckeyes in 1983. Tressel was a first-year assistant coach that season under Earle Bruce. The Columbus Dispatch, citing sources, also reported that Cicero was Tressel's email contact. In both 1995 and 1996, Cicero represented Ohio State players arrested on assault charges after incidents at a bar and a party. In December of 1995, Cicero told The Plain Dealer of representing the players, "It's a fraternity here, a pretty tight fraternity here." The Associated Press reported that in a statement released Wednesday, Cicero said he willingly cooperated with Ohio State when asked to by a school attorney to discuss his email exchange with Tressel. In releasing those emails Tuesday, Ohio State had blacked out Cicero's name. Cicero had his law license suspended for a year in 1997 after being found to have bragged about having sex with a judge who had appointed him to a case. Cicero said he was exaggerating at the time he told other lawyers about a relationship, though he and Judge Deborah O'Neill both admitted to later starting an affair. Though that question has now been answered, others regarding the future of Tressel and the Ohio State football program remain. Among them, including those solicited from readers on Wednesday, are: Will Tressel be allowed in the stadium during his suspension games? The press box? Is he prohibited from calling any plays? The ban, as suggested by Ohio State, specifically prohibits him from any gameday activities -- so no pregame pep talk or walking to the stadium with the team. He can't be in Ohio Stadium during the game, and he can't have any contact with his assistants while the game is going on -- so no secret bat-phone calls to ask whether to punt or go for it on fourth down. Who will act as head coach when Tressel is not on the sideline? This question would have been easier to answer a year ago, when receivers coach Darrell Hazell also held the title of assistant coach and ran practice on an occasion or two when Tressel was dealing with other business. But Hazell is now the head coach at Kent State. The assistants with head coaching experience are defensive coordinator Jim Heacock (Division I-AA Illinois State) and running backs coach Dick Tressel (Division III Hamline). Both Heacock and offensive coordinator Jim Bollman spend the game in the coaches' booth, not on the sidelines. So the guess is that co-defensive coordinator Luke Fickell, who was on the sidelines last season and is seen as a future head coach, might get the call, allowing the coordinators to stick to their usual jobs. Might the Big Ten impose its own sanctions before the NCAA does, possibly strip Ohio State of the Big Ten title proactively? Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told the New York Times on Wednesday that the conference will wait for the NCAA to make a decision on sanctions and will not impose its own penalty. The SEC, for instance, suspended Tennessee basketball coach Bruce Pearl for eight conference games after he admitted lying to the NCAA. The NCAA later cited Pearl for unethical conduct but has not yet imposed a punishment. You mentioned on SBTV that the Sugar Bowl might be the only win that remains from Ohio State's 2010 season when everything is said and done. Can you explain that? Technically, the six players found to have sold memorabilia were ruled ineligible by Ohio State on Dec. 20, then reinstated by the NCAA and suspended for the games in the 2011 season. But they were allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl. They were ruled ineligible once the NCAA violations were discovered, and with the Tressel news, they could have been ruled ineligible earlier had he reported the potential violations as required by the NCAA. So if the Buckeyes played two ineligible players all season, the NCAA could vacate all the Buckeyes' games. However, since they were ruled eligible for the Sugar Bowl, because the violations had been discovered by then, that victory could stay in place. Will this affect Ohio State's recruiting? The Plain Dealer's Tim Warsinskey on Wednesday spoke to St. Edward junior offensive lineman Kyla Kalis, who gave Ohio State an oral commitment in September, and Kalis said this Tressel situation is "not an issue at all. I'm still committed." Expect that to be a common reaction from current, and potential future recruits. Certainly, some schools will try to use the violations in recruiting battles, because negative recruiting is often part of the business. But in the end, Tressel said he committed these violations because he felt he was protecting players, and that may actually be a positive in recruiting, not a negative. Plain Dealer reporter Aaron Marshall contributed to this story.
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OK .... so Cicnero, a former player and Columbus attorney who has lied about having an affair with a judge in the past, and who has had his law license suspended, sends Tressel a letter saying that his players are under investigation ....... and that is enough that Tressel should have notified the school and NCAA?
Sorry, but I don't see this as a big deal.
If a different former player sends Tressel an email next year claiming that 2 current players are under investigation for taking the wrong side in "Mars Attacks", should he have to go running to the NCAA and the AD?
This is much ado about nothing unless there is much more to the story. If he knew, firsthand, such as being questioned by police, or having a player come to him, then yes, then he did something wrong ...... but, for all we know, Tressel , knowing full well Cicnero's past, and deciding that he didn't trust the source, and wasn't going to cause problems over nothing .... got the email and dismissively said "I'll look into it."
Tressel received an e-mail on April 2, 2010. A person Tressel identified only as "a lawyer," mentioned that Ohio State players had been implicated in activities with Eddie Rife, a local tattoo-parlor owner. The e-mail, according to Tressel, said players were selling signed Buckeyes memorabilia and giving it to Rife in exchange for money and tattoos. The e-mail said Rife had a criminal record and had witnessed one of his friends being murdered in a parking lot.
The Buckeyes coach said he kept quiet out fear for the safety of the two players connected to the federal, criminal drug-trafficking case. That investigation prompted an Ohio State and NCAA investigation involving players selling memorabilia and getting discounted tattoos.
"I have had a player murdered. I've had a player incarcerated. I've had a player get taken into the drug culture and lose his opportunity for a productive life," an emotional Tressel said, tears welling in his eyes, at a news conference on Tuesday night. "It was obviously tremendously concerning. Quite honestly, I was scared."
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That doesn't sound like he was dismissive.. sounds like he really believed that they could be in danger and getting into something serious... there is also the fact that once he was officially informed that there was an investigation and that the e-mail had been true, that he STILL signed an affidavit saying that he knew NOTHING about it... sorry ytown, one way or the other, he lied to the NCAA.. I know a lot of people on here have compared this situation to cam newton.. .but the more appropriate comparison might be Dez Bryant, who lied to the NCAA about something as stupid as having dinner with Deion Sanders.... and for that he was suspended for the entire season... I just don't think this is "much ado about nothing" to the ncaa...
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Christopher Cicero, a Columbus attorney, exchanged the emails with Tressel, a source told The Plain Dealer. Tressel on Tuesday cited his desire to protect the confidentiality of Cicero and not interfere with a federal investigation, as well as fearing for the safety of his two players involved, as the reasons he didn't share the information.
I'm confused, the emails say Doug Archie.
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OK .... so Cicnero, a former player and Columbus attorney who has lied about having an affair with a judge in the past, and who has had his law license suspended, sends Tressel a letter saying that his players are under investigation ....... and that is enough that Tressel should have notified the school and NCAA?
Sorry, but I don't see this as a big deal.
If a different former player sends Tressel an email next year claiming that 2 current players are under investigation for taking the wrong side in "Mars Attacks", should he have to go running to the NCAA and the AD?
This is much ado about nothing unless there is much more to the story. If he knew, firsthand, such as being questioned by police, or having a player come to him, then yes, then he did something wrong ...... but, for all we know, Tressel , knowing full well Cicnero's past, and deciding that he didn't trust the source, and wasn't going to cause problems over nothing .... got the email and dismissively said "I'll look into it."
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/03/former_ohio_state_player_ident.html
Former Ohio State player identified as attorney who sent warning email to Jim Tressel
Published: Wednesday, March 09, 2011, 10:07 PM Updated: Wednesday, March 09, 2011, 10:08 PM
By Doug Lesmerises, The Plain Dealer
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A former Buckeye player was the lawyer who last April informed Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel that two of his players may have been selling memorabilia to a suspected drug trafficker.
Tressel didn't share the information with his superiors, in violation of NCAA rules, leading to the two-game suspension and $250,000 fine Ohio State announced on Tuesday.
Christopher Cicero, a Columbus attorney, exchanged the emails with Tressel, a source told The Plain Dealer. Tressel on Tuesday cited his desire to protect the confidentiality of Cicero and not interfere with a federal investigation, as well as fearing for the safety of his two players involved, as the reasons he didn't share the information.
According to the Ohio State media guide, Cicero earned a varsity letter with the Buckeyes in 1983. Tressel was a first-year assistant coach that season under Earle Bruce. The Columbus Dispatch, citing sources, also reported that Cicero was Tressel's email contact.
In both 1995 and 1996, Cicero represented Ohio State players arrested on assault charges after incidents at a bar and a party. In December of 1995, Cicero told The Plain Dealer of representing the players, "It's a fraternity here, a pretty tight fraternity here."
The Associated Press reported that in a statement released Wednesday, Cicero said he willingly cooperated with Ohio State when asked to by a school attorney to discuss his email exchange with Tressel. In releasing those emails Tuesday, Ohio State had blacked out Cicero's name.
Cicero had his law license suspended for a year in 1997 after being found to have bragged about having sex with a judge who had appointed him to a case. Cicero said he was exaggerating at the time he told other lawyers about a relationship, though he and Judge Deborah O'Neill both admitted to later starting an affair.
Though that question has now been answered, others regarding the future of Tressel and the Ohio State football program remain. Among them, including those solicited from readers on Wednesday, are:
Will Tressel be allowed in the stadium during his suspension games? The press box? Is he prohibited from calling any plays?
The ban, as suggested by Ohio State, specifically prohibits him from any gameday activities -- so no pregame pep talk or walking to the stadium with the team. He can't be in Ohio Stadium during the game, and he can't have any contact with his assistants while the game is going on -- so no secret bat-phone calls to ask whether to punt or go for it on fourth down.
Who will act as head coach when Tressel is not on the sideline?
This question would have been easier to answer a year ago, when receivers coach Darrell Hazell also held the title of assistant coach and ran practice on an occasion or two when
Tressel was dealing with other business.
But Hazell is now the head coach at Kent State. The assistants with head coaching experience are defensive coordinator Jim Heacock (Division I-AA Illinois State) and running backs coach Dick Tressel (Division III Hamline). Both Heacock and offensive coordinator Jim Bollman spend the game in the coaches' booth, not on the sidelines. So the guess is that co-defensive coordinator Luke Fickell, who was on the sidelines last season and is seen as a future head coach, might get the call, allowing the coordinators to stick to their usual jobs.
Might the Big Ten impose its own sanctions before the NCAA does, possibly strip Ohio State of the Big Ten title proactively?
Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told the New York Times on Wednesday that the conference will wait for the NCAA to make a decision on sanctions and will not impose its own penalty. The SEC, for instance, suspended Tennessee basketball coach Bruce Pearl for eight conference games after he admitted lying to the NCAA. The NCAA later cited Pearl for unethical conduct but has not yet imposed a punishment.
You mentioned on SBTV that the Sugar Bowl might be the only win that remains from Ohio State's 2010 season when everything is said and done. Can you explain that?
Technically, the six players found to have sold memorabilia were ruled ineligible by Ohio State on Dec. 20, then reinstated by the NCAA and suspended for the games in the 2011 season. But they were allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl. They were ruled ineligible once the NCAA violations were discovered, and with the Tressel news, they could have been ruled ineligible earlier had he reported the potential violations as required by the NCAA.
So if the Buckeyes played two ineligible players all season, the NCAA could vacate all the Buckeyes' games. However, since they were ruled eligible for the Sugar Bowl, because the violations had been discovered by then, that victory could stay in place.
Will this affect Ohio State's recruiting?
The Plain Dealer's Tim Warsinskey on Wednesday spoke to St. Edward junior offensive lineman Kyla Kalis, who gave Ohio State an oral commitment in September, and Kalis said this Tressel situation is "not an issue at all. I'm still committed." Expect that to be a common reaction from current, and potential future recruits.
Certainly, some schools will try to use the violations in recruiting battles, because negative recruiting is often part of the business. But in the end, Tressel said he committed these violations because he felt he was protecting players, and that may actually be a positive in recruiting, not a negative.
Plain Dealer reporter Aaron Marshall contributed to this story.
It isn't Tressel's place to decide what is worth reporting. He is to report any and all suspected violations. And one that was contained in an email would take a few seconds to forward and that's the end of it.
Also, you would have more ground to stand on if that was Tressel's excuse too, but he mentioned how he didn't want to talk because of confidentiality and he was scared, not lack of credibility on the part of the person who reported it.
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How did he knowingly play ineligible players?
He knew about the violations in April. The players played the entire season.
Am I missing something?
He knew that there might be "potential violations", until the actual NCAA investigation he nor anyone else knew what the NCAA was going to decide.
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I think that there almost has to be, because this is very thin stuff.
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I agree. I don't see any way the university imposed sanctions are going to be the final pill to swallow.
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My head hurts from reading some of the horse turd comments on this thread....
Care to elaborate? Is it people talking about Tressel in a negative light that bothers you? Right now, he deserves to be in a negative light.
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If I say no you will put words in my mouth.
If I do try to elaborate it will be pointless.
FYI Tressel does deserve negative comments. However I do not have to explain my comments.
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If I say no you will put words in my mouth.
If I do try to elaborate it will be pointless.
FYI Tressel does deserve negative comments. However I do not have to explain my comments.
I won't put words in your mouth. I am honestly curious as to why you made the comment that you did.
I also find it strange to make a comment like you did, and then not explain that comment. But it's your choice.
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http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...norance-defenseThere’s a fashionable new way to beat the rap when you’re accused of breaking NCAA rules. Plead clueless. It worked for Cam Newton and Auburn. Now Jim Tressel and Ohio State are hoping the NCAA buys the same defense. On behalf of truly clueless people everywhere, I beseech the NCAA not to fall for it. Tressel and his Buckeye cohorts can’t be as ignorant as they appeared on Tuesday night. In a farce of a press conference, Ohio State admitted that Tressel knew players were breaking rules. He ignored it in direct violation of his contract. Instead of even a tisk, tisk, Tressel was praised for his integrity and painted as a victim of torturous circumstances. But just to show the Buckeyes take rule-breaking seriously, Tressel will have to pay a $250,000 fine, sit out the first two games against mighty Akron and Toledo and write on a chalkboard 1,000 times: I will beat Michigan … I will beat Michigan … I will beat Michigan. “He is our coach and we trust him implicitly,” Athletic Director Gene Smith said. Especially when it comes to keeping secrets. It’s hard to say what was funnier, Tressel quoting George W. Bush or Ohio State president Gordon Gee’s reaction when asked if he even considered firing the coach. “Are you kidding,” Gee said. “I’m just hopeful the coach doesn’t dismiss me.” At least we know who really runs things around Columbus. Since the Buckeyes are slapping themselves on the wrist, it’s up to the NCAA to bring down the hammer. At the very least, Ohio State should forfeit the 12 games it won last year using players Tressel should have known were ineligible. It should ship the Sugar Bowl trophy to Arkansas with an apology note attached. And just for kicks, sweater vests should be banned on the sideline. Surely the NCAA won’t be satisfied with Ohio State’s self-imposed sanctions. Surely it will look at Tressel’s explanation and go, “Huh?” Last December an investigation revealed five players, including star QB Terrelle Pryor, traded autographs and memorabilia for discounted tattoos and other goodies. The school said it had no idea any of this was going on. As Yahoo! first reported Monday, it turns out Tressel received e-mails eight months earlier. They were from an unnamed lawyer who said the tattoo shop owner, Eddie Rife, was an ex-con and the federal government had investigated him for drug trafficking. Tressel didn’t"just smell a rat. It was e-mailed to his office. “Obviously it was a tremendous concern to me,” he said. So tremendous he did nothing about it. A coach got a solid tip that players are breaking rules and might be part of a criminal investigation. Tressel said he feared the players’ safety might be at risk yet he didn’t tell his athletic director? He said he didn’t want to violate the confidentiality of the email or impede the investigation. The befuddled coach didn’t know where to turn for advice. How about the school’s attorney? Tressel is 58 years old and has dealt with plenty of lawyers. Hasn’t he ever heard of attorney-client privilege? Tressel could have told Ohio State’s attorney that he was selling game plans to Rich Rodriguez and it would have remained confidential. “You spend time thinking about how to do things better,” Tressel said. “I don’t think less of myself at the moment. I felt at the time I was doing the right thing for the safety of our young people.” Not to mention the safety of their playing status. Even after the story broke in December and there was nothing to impede , Tressel stayed quiet. Ohio State said he didn’t lie to NCAA investigators or the school by keeping mum, but Tressel is a Biblical expert. He was on a book-signing tour when this stink erupted. The book is titled “Life Promises for Success: Promises from God on achieving your best.” Tressel knows there are sins of commission and sins of omission. By acting clueless, he chose the latter. And it wasn’t the first time. From his days at Youngstown State to Maurice Clarett and Troy Smith, Tressel has found ways not to notice when stars are getting paid. He’s not the only coach that seems to happen to, but he is the only one currently autographing a book about integrity and honor and doing your best. A former player tweeted that Ohio State players had been cavorting with Rife for years. Maybe Tressel was too busy writing his book to notice. “The integrity of this program and the integrity of the coach is absolutely superb,” Gee said. This is the CEO who stood by in December and let the five suspended Buckeyes play in the Sugar Bowl. That whole thing was greased by the cozy relationship between the bowls, the Big Ten Conference and the NCAA. The same forces will be in play when the NCAA Committee on Infractions rules on Ohio State’s case. Why am I having Cecil Newton flashbacks? He allegedly tried to peddle his son to the highest bidder, but Cam got off because he supposedly had no idea what dear old dad was up to. After that exercise in leniency, it’s high time for the NCAA to re-establish who’s the boss. Oh wait, we know who that is at Ohio State. Even if the poor guy doesn’t have a clue.
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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/spo...ed.html?sid=101Columbus lawyer Christopher T. Cicero was a minor figure as a walk-on football player in the 1980s at Ohio State University. Today, he is a central player in a scandal that has tarnished Jim Tressel, the man who then was one of his assistant coaches and is now the head coach. Cicero, 54, sent Tressel e-mails last spring warning that some of the current players were selling memorabilia to a tattoo-parlor owner who's under federal investigation. Those e-mails are proof that Tressel knew of possible NCAA violations and failed to report the information to Ohio State officials, leading the university to impose a two-game suspension and a $250,000 fine as punishment. Ohio State would not divulge Cicero's name, blacking out all identifying information from the e-mails it made public Tuesday. But three sources had confirmed to The Dispatch by early last evening that the e-mails had been sent by Cicero, a lawyer with a checkered past who represented the tattoo-parlor owner, Edward Rife, in 2003 when Rife was a key witness in a murder trial. Once Cicero's name was reported in a story on Dispatch.com last night, he issued a statement, saying he was not the source that Yahoo Sports cited in originally reporting that Tressel had prior knowledge of possible player misconduct. Cicero said he has cooperated with Ohio State and NCAA investigators but had no other comment. The first e-mail Cicero sent, on April 2, alerted Tressel that players were selling autographed memorabilia and championship rings to Rife and that some items had been seized during a federal raid of Rife's home. In an April 16 e-mail, Cicero shared what he described as "confidential" information. Cicero wrote that Rife had visited him the night before and told him that he had "about 15 pairs of cleats with signatures, 4-5 jerseys - all signed by players. He told me he has about nine Big Ten championship rings." Tressel said he kept the information to himself to protect the confidentiality of the federal investigation and for the safety of his players. The decision to not inform OSU or NCAA officials led to the punishment. The NCAA could choose to further punish Tressel and the football program. Ohio State's self-imposed penalties fall short of those faced by others who have broken the same NCAA bylaw in recent years, according to a Dispatch review of past disciplinary actions. Since 2006, the NCAA has sanctioned 27 schools for violating bylaw 10.1, which requires coaches and others to be truthful and forthcoming about possible NCAA violations. Of the 12 coaches involved, only one kept his job. The others either resigned or were fired by their schools . Former men's basketball coach Jim O'Brien, one of his assistant coaches and former football running back Maurice Clarett each faced unethical-conduct charges by the NCAA. It cost all of them their careers at Ohio State. A person with experience in such NCAA matters said he thinks OSU might have been too lenient. "Just looking at it, it may seem a little light, especially in light of the fact Tressel didn't report it to the university within a reasonable period of time," said Michael Buckner, who heads a law firm that helps schools deal with the NCAA. OSU suspended Tressel for the first two games of the 2011 season, against Akron and Toledo. He can have no contact with his team or coaches on game day, nor can he be on the premises. The $250,000 fine represents a little more than 7 percent of Tressel's $3.5 million annual salary. Quarterback Terrelle Pryor, running back Daniel Herron, receiver DeVier Posey, offensive tackle Mike Adams and defensive end Solomon Thomas are scheduled to serve five-game suspensions to start the 2011 season for their dealings with Rife. Tressel didn't speak with the Ohio State compliance office or his superiors about the e-mails until they were discovered in early January as officials prepared the appeal of the players' penalties. He also signed a compliance form on Sept. 13 that said he had no knowledge of possible violations. "In those periods when he had an opportunity and a duty to disclose, he failed to do so," Buckner said. "I think the NCAA could also come back and add failure to monitor or failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. Those are program violations. "With those three (including the bylaw 10.1 violation), you could look at the two-game suspension and the fine to be the minimum." If the NCAA enforcement division endorses the school's findings, it would send the case to the committee on infractions, which could agree with the penalties or make them more severe. The enforcement division also could say it needs to investigate further. Cicero's attempts to help the football program weren't his first. He represented former receiver Santonio Holmes in 2003 in a disorderly-conduct case that ultimately was dismissed. Cicero, who enrolled at OSU after serving in the Marines, has made news as a criminal-defense lawyer. In 1997, the Ohio Supreme Court suspended his law license for one year because of misconduct. The lawyer led others to believe he was having sex with then-Judge Deborah P. O'Neill, who had appointed Cicero to defend a client in a criminal case. Cicero ultimately said he overstated his intimacy with the judge and that he and O'Neill did not have sex until she stepped aside from the case. O'Neill also admitted to the sexual affair. Former Ohio State coach Earle Bruce said yesterday that Cicero was a good "team player" for him in the early 1980s and that they remain friends. He said he believes Cicero was trying to help the Ohio State program when he sent the e-mails to Tressel. "He's a nice guy and certainly wouldn't want to harm Ohio State in any way," he said. Bruce also defended Tressel and said he was trying to protect the players the way former Ohio State coaches would have done. Bruce also defended Tressel and said he was trying to protect the players the way former Ohio State coaches would have done."I wouldn't turn in players. I would try to help them, and coach (Woody) Hayes did the same thing." Hayes, Bruce said, once refused to cooperate with the NCAA after it learned that the coach had given several players $20. "No coach at Ohio State, and I mean none, has ever done more for the program on and off the field than coach Tressel," Bruce said.
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Having read most of the posts in this thread and, I believe, all of yours I have one question. Just exactly what did OSU or Jim Tressel do to you?
I ask because unless they have harmed you in some way in the past I have to wonder why all the hate?
None of what the 5 players did or what Tressel did is anywhere near, in my opinion, what USC has allowed in the past. Or what we all know was allowed to happen at Auburn just recently. Hell, Bruce Pearl outright lied to the NCAA and he's still on the job.
But you have stopped just short of calling for the death penalty for OSU and Tressel. Seems a tad bit over the top to me.
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What does it matter what people have to say about a coach? Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion.
What has Tressel done for you to defend him relentlessly?
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Having read most of the posts in this thread and, I believe, all of yours I have one question. Just exactly what did OSU or Jim Tressel do to you?
I ask because unless they have harmed you in some way in the past I have to wonder why all the hate?
None of what the 5 players did or what Tressel did is anywhere near, in my opinion, what USC has allowed in the past. Or what we all know was allowed to happen at Auburn just recently. Hell, Bruce Pearl outright lied to the NCAA and he's still on the job.
But you have stopped just short of calling for the death penalty for OSU and Tressel. Seems a tad bit over the top to me.
Personally to me? Nothing.
Never claimed they had. I am posting a lot of this because I find it interesting simply because Tressel has been painted as a saint for years now, and he is anything but. His program has had numerous problems with players. Now it has even been proven that Tressel ignored some of these problems.
I don't think Tressel should be fired. I know I underlined that portion in the articles, but that was more to show that OSU's "punishment" is an absolute and total joke. 11 of 12 coaches caught have resigned or been fired. Tressel gets suspended for Akron and Toledo. Sound about even to you?
I also pointed out earlier that I don't think Tressel is a bad person, but he isn't as perfect as a lot of people claimed for years.
The reason I call for harsh punishment is because he lied to the NCAA's face, twice. He signed a statement in September that he had informed them of "any and all" possible infractions. That obviously was not true. Then in December, he said he had no knowledge of any possible infractions, which again, was not true.
He claims he didn't know who to go to, yet he never asked anyway or tried to go to anyone. He claims it was confidential, when it reality he knew for 2 weeks before the "confidential" message was sent.
And believe me, the whole Cam Newton and Reggie Bush sagas are rediculous too. USC got their punishment. Auburn hopefully does too.
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Personally, I think Tressel should get the same punishment his players got. 5 game suspension (and yes that means upping his fine to 5 gameday paychecks). That's just me though.
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Personally, I think Tressel should get the same punishment his players got. 5 game suspension (and yes that means upping his fine to 5 gameday paychecks). That's just me though.
That would be better, but to me, lying to the NCAA twice warrants more than a 5 game suspension.
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Just exactly what did OSU or Jim Tressel do to you?
The Michigan & Toledo fans on here need something to hate on OSU about since they can't say anything when it comes to the football field.
We all can't have upstanding citizens like Scooter McDougle representing our team.
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Just exactly what did OSU or Jim Tressel do to you?
The Michigan & Toledo fans on here need something to hate on OSU about since they can't say anything when it comes to the football field.
We all can't have upstanding citizens like Scooter McDougle representing our team.
Hardly. Michigan had their time for a while, now OSU is having theirs. Big deal.
Apparently you weren't around when Michigan had their minor violations and people pounced all over them and Rodriguez, huih?
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I knew what happened with RichRod, but I didn't pounce on him. I wanted them to keep him!
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The Michigan & Toledo fans on here need something to hate on OSU about since they can't say anything when it comes to the football field.
I'm sure this comment should belong in the smack shack. Nice try with your bait.
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Having read most of the posts in this thread and, I believe, all of yours I have one question. Just exactly what did OSU or Jim Tressel do to you?
I was thinking the same thing. I just didn't have the guts to say it.
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Having read most of the posts in this thread and, I believe, all of yours I have one question. Just exactly what did OSU or Jim Tressel do to you?
I was thinking the same thing. I just didn't have the guts to say it.
it's possible that 9 out of 10 is the answer
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lol... Maurice Clarett anyone?
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Nobody "pounced all over" RichRod and UMich. They just talked about how he was an incompetent coach in the Big Ten and ran their football program into the ground. I people were calling for him to be fired it was because he stunk. That is the reason, though, that a lot of people wanted him to stay.
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Nobody "pounced all over" RichRod and UMich. They just talked about how he was an incompetent coach in the Big Ten and ran their football program into the ground.
Right. He was never called anything but incompetant. OK...... 
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lol... Maurice Clarett anyone?
You mean the same Maurice Clarett that Ohio State was welcoming back even though he is no longer any help to the university? or maybe Shaun Patton from YSU who had legal problems but Tressel allowed him to come back to the team after he missed a season (or was it two?) even though he did not need him? Tressel is all about giving kids second chances even if he has nothing to gain from it.
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Dude, grow up and quit being sad that posters here ragged on your team's lousy ex-HC.
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Right. He was never called anything but incompetent. OK......
I think he dug his own grave by how he left West Virginia. That left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I'm not just talking about West Virginia.
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