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NEW ORLEANS -- NFL owners voted Tuesday to move kickoffs up to the 35-yard line starting next season but touchbacks will remain at the 20-yard line. Teams also can continue to use two-men wedges.
The competition committee had proposed moving touchbacks to the 25-yard line and outlawing the use of wedge blocking.
Before Tuesday's vote, several coaches expressed concerns to the committee about so many changes. They worried that bringing touchbacks out 5 more yards would affect field position too much. They also feared an increase in touchbacks.
The league reduced the number of players allowed in a blocking wedge to two in 2009.
Owners are also scheduled to vote on amendments to defenseless player rules for receivers, and on owing the replay official to review all scoring plays at any time in games.
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It's not like one our best players is our kick returner or anything.
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Why not just eliminate kick-offs all together and give the team the ball on the 20?
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Seems like even Dawson can get a lot of touch backs kicking from the thirty-five.
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This hurts teams with a good kick return team though.
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Perhaps just a "bargaining chip" to show the players the owners are concerned about player safety?
Because Lord knows this doesn't make the game any more exciting.
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That's really all it is.
Also, players aren't allowed a running start off the kickoff anymore. Must line up within five yards of the thirty-five yard line.
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I don't really have a huge problem with this.
It will certainly alter the strategy regarding a guy coming out from the end zone with a kick, and will help kickers who can place the ball inside the 5 with great accuracy on kickoffs. (like Phil Dawson)
It will help faster teams, and hurt slower teams, obviously. Since defenders cannot get up to full speed at the kick, it'll be harder to cover kicks from that perspective.
In the end, I think that it will be like the 2 man wedge rule ..... most premium returners will still be able to get theirs ...... and the bums will struggle.
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It took 11 years ... but drafting Sebastian Janikowski in the first round FINALLY pays off for the Raiders!
Every kick for this guy should be a touchback and most teams shouldnt even work on a return package against them
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LOL They drafted him in 2000. He's been damn near a surefire touchback ever since. He's been a great kicker for FGs too though. Hell, he made a 61 yarder against us in 2009. I wish we had that much longevity and production out of most of our first round picks.  Most of our first rounders since then are gone ..... either from the team ... or the NFL entirely.
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Oh Im not doubting his ability .... but using the "Hindsight" rule ... Chad Pennington and Shaun Alexander were the next two picks ..
Also .. the Ravens kicker (who was with us) Billy Cundiff was actually undrafted. He either tied or set the record for touchbacks last season with Ravens. He had 40 in 79 attempts. On field goals he was also 19 of 20 on 39 or less, and 7 of 8 from 40 - 49 and 0/1 from 50+ ... not bad. 39 of 39 extra points also.
Just not sure I would want to spend a 1st rounder on a Kicker .. but to be fair he did more for them than Courtney Brown did for us..
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They drafted him in 2000. He's been damn near a surefire touchback ever since.
He's been a great kicker for FGs too though. Hell, he made a 61 yarder against us in 2009.
I wish we had that much longevity and production out of most of our first round picks. Most of our first rounders since then are gone ..... either from the team ... or the NFL entirely.
We signed Phil Dawson as a free agent, not spending a draft pick, he has kicked 2 years longer, has a better FG % by about 5 points, has fewer touchbacks but over their career, Phil has better starting field position by about 4 yards... and actually only 21% of Janikowski's kickoffs are touchbacks... compared to about 9% for Phil Dawson, so for every 10 kickoffs, Janikowski gets two touchbacks and Phil gets one... So did they REALLY get a better deal using a high draft pick? 
The only advantage I see to having Janikowski is that rare occassion when you need somebody to boom a 60 yarder.. or if you need somebody to bring liquor to the party.
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The NFL is starting to look like NASCAR with all the constant rule changes. When do they unveil the orange Tide logo for the Browns?
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Oh I'm not saying that I would ever want us spending a first round pick on a kicker ...... all I'm saying is that they got a whole lot more value out of that first rounder than we did for any of our picks in that decade.
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The NFL just become less entertaining. I guess I now have more time to run to the bathroom and get food, as there will be little incentive to stick around and watch a player catch a kickoff and kneel down. 
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Josh Cribbs is going to be live on NFL network at 5.. I'm sure they will ask him about this and he has already tweeted that we might as well go to college playoff rules and just just the team the ball on the 20...
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They drafted him in 2000. He's been damn near a surefire touchback ever since.
He's been a great kicker for FGs too though. Hell, he made a 61 yarder against us in 2009.
I wish we had that much longevity and production out of most of our first round picks. Most of our first rounders since then are gone ..... either from the team ... or the NFL entirely.
We signed Phil Dawson as a free agent, not spending a draft pick, he has kicked 2 years longer, has a better FG % by about 5 points, has fewer touchbacks but over their career, Phil has better starting field position by about 4 yards... and actually only 21% of Janikowski's kickoffs are touchbacks... compared to about 9% for Phil Dawson, so for every 10 kickoffs, Janikowski gets two touchbacks and Phil gets one... So did they REALLY get a better deal using a high draft pick?
The only advantage I see to having Janikowski is that rare occassion when you need somebody to boom a 60 yarder.. or if you need somebody to bring liquor to the party.
Don't forget to factor in that for as seldom as we scored TD's, Dawson was coming out to kick cold most times. 
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So I just heard that over the past 5 years 16% of kickoffs resulted in touchbacks. Kicking 5 yards closer and the gunners being 5 yards closer, I bet that number to be near 50%.
The average NFL kickoff lands at the 6 yard line.
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I would wonder how much of it is perception as well. Oftentimes a guy looks like he wants to run, but if his feet are even two or three yards deep into the endzone you see the knee it. Why risk a return when you might not even make it out to the 20? I bet we see a lot more kickoff returns getting knee'd as well.
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Woody on around the horn just said touchbacks have been going up every year before this rule change anyways. If that stat is true, I can only assume it is because kickers legs are getting stronger, and the TB% may soon be above 50%
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I personally don't think we will notice much difference. Most kickers can put it in the endzone anyway. The five yards IMO will make it more interesting to kickers who try to pin teams back. Kickers have ways to shorten kicks, and I think that it will happen. The gunners are going to be 5 yards closer, so if a kicker is good at popping it up, you might even see more balls popped up and teams trying to pin them back. In all honesty, I can't see how 5 yards is going to make all that much difference.
Gunners not getting that big head start I like. I think it evens things out a bit. Maybe there will be less blocks in the back since the recieving team will have a second or two longer to react to the kick.
IMO this will be a non issue.
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I always thought kickoffs were boring. I like punt returns better.
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I always thought kickoffs were boring. I like punt returns better.
They are boring in the sense that the guy catches the ball with nobody in his face and gets to pick a lane and head up field, there are fewer surprises...
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Why not just eliminate kick-offs all together and give the team the ball on the 20?
But, but, then what would you call the start of the game? "First Snap"?
Like the Chicago vs. Greenbay tonight, First Snap @8pm?
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this isn't a good idea IMO...
the Kickers are just going to put more air on the ball so that it'll hang long enough for their guys to keep the ball within the 20 yardline...
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I always thought kickoffs were boring
I assumed every browns fan was on the edge of their seat, everytime Cribbs fielded a ko return.
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Basically a bunch of douchey, boring executive types said, "Hey! We can cram more crap advertising down their throats! Sponsor dollars!" and then POOF as if by some form of money grab magic, kickoffs from the 35 is an official rule change.  This is garbage. Better cut Cribbs now to get any bang for our buck on his extension now. 
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I assumed every browns fan was on the edge of their seat, everytime Cribbs fielded a ko return.
I did always consider it one of our better scoring opportunities.
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Why not just eliminate kick-offs all together and give the team the ball on the 20?
But, but, then what would you call the start of the game? "First Snap"?
Like the Chicago vs. Greenbay tonight, First Snap @8pm?
They can have a ceremonial kick-off at 8:00 then place the ball on the 20.. they can have Christina Aguillera do it or some kids from the punt pass and kick contest.
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Teams are still going to try and pin the other team.
Watch ... some team is going to kick high to the 1-2 yard line, be successful doing so ... and other teams will start to follow suit.
If last year saw the average kick land at the 6, the reasonable logic follows that this should see the average kick land at the 1.
That could be a real huge advantage for a team with good special teams units.
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j/c... I think part of the consideration for not eliminating kickoffs altogether is that it would also have eliminated on-side kicks.
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Basically a bunch of douchey, boring executive types said, "Hey! We can cram more crap advertising down their throats! Sponsor dollars!" and then POOF as if by some form of money grab magic, kickoffs from the 35 is an official rule change.
Is that really what happened? 
There have been a lot of rules changes in recent history, and I can't think of any that don't really make sense if you take a subjective look at it. The only ones that quickly come to mind are the ones that protect the QB more than we like, since they are supposed to be football players and not girls in skirts. But even those have logic behind them and a lot of times the enforcement and interpretation is the problem and not the rule itself.
This change in KO makes sense, and I concur with Ytown with his thoughts. Still good strategies to be played out here; but KO in the warmer climates will tend to be boring at times methinks.
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I always thought kickoffs were boring
I assumed every browns fan was on the edge of their seat, everytime Cribbs fielded a ko return.
Yeah it was about the only reason to go up to the stadium and watch them. Now other than Peyton Hillis we have nobody exciting to watch.
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I agree.
This actually helps us.
Dawson is a high ball kicker compared to some who drive the ball.
That high kick he employed the year before last...the one that got so many complaining about a weak leg...it had great hang time and came down about the 8....well, now it is landing near the 3.
With defenders 5 yards closer and maybe even a second more time to cover due to hang, we might pin people inside the 20 almost every time.
It almost seems teams would hope the ball makes the endzone.
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I guess we presume there is some point at which a number is achieved where it becomes a good idea and improves The Game overall. Cribbs sold tickets with his vicious slashing returns as has Hester. NFL will move closer to soccer, I guess, which fans watch for lots of kicking the ball, but low scoring. Not a vote I care for.
And we are protecting whom? Is this to cut down returns? Cover guys? Wedgies? Wedgeblasters? It only seems to guarantee fewer return attempts. Not football as I love to see it played.
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Move the kickoff up to the 35...another great idea rubber stamped by Roger Goodell.
Roger Goodell never played football or any sport beyond HS and he graduated college with a degree in economics. IMO, he is on coarse to be the worst NFL commissioner ever!
Fining players for tackling too hard and moving the kickoff up 5 yds...Goodell's two shining contributions to the NFL.
Goodell and the owners claim moving the kickoff up 5 yds is for the safety of the players...BS !
If the NFL was serious about player safety, they would fix the friggin helmets to cut down on head injuries...like the KC Chiefs did for Willie Lanier did in 1967.
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Mac, at least he's better than that clown currently running the NHL. You want to talk about ruining a sport?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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You keep harping about the outside padding.
I trust the advances in kinesiology, CAD systems, and improved materials, and companies such as Shutt, Riddell, Adams, Wilson, and a host of other helmet manufacturers who pour in tons of money for research have pretty well determined that duct taping some padding to the outside of the helmet isn't of any benefit.
I agree, it might reduce a few concussions. I also feel the friction caused when two pieces of rubber hit and grip, you would be trading reduced concussions for more broken necks.
If players had a choice...wear this helmet and your chance of a concussion goes down but your chance for a broken neck increases, they would toss it to the side.
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Moving the kickoff back to the 30 was one of the best moves the NFL ever made. kickoffs actually became one of the highlights of the game especially if you had a dynamic returner.
Going back to the 35 is one of the worst decisions the NFL has made. Might aswell just cut Cribbs right now because his contract is a complete waste.
Moving the kickoff back to the 35, the fighting and greed of the owners and the players, the fingertip on the helmet 15 yard penalites are all just getting old. Frankly the NFL seems to be doing everything they can to ruin the game for everyone.
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