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It also shows that a defined standard is what we judge our students by. No reason not to judge their teachers the same way. I have read of cases where a working teacher could not pass the same test given to the students.
You can go to the best high schools in the country right now. There are science teachers who cannot answer all of the social studies questions, and there are social studies teachers who cannot answer all of the math and/science questions. - No doubt in my mind.
Granted, in order to become teachers, we have to show aptitude in college level math,science,social studies,reading,and writing. But after college, we tend to forget a lot of what we learned.
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One side benefit to this process could be that once teachers realize that disruptive and/or unwilling students could cost them their job, they may demand to be allowed to remove such students from their class.
I don't mean to seem condescending, but you don't get it man. The way it works, and the standpoint I'm coming from is like this: Students have the right to be educated in the least restrictive environment. For most students, the least restrictive environment is a general education classroom. However, some students cannot learn in a general education classroom - some students have severe disabilities, and some students have mild/moderate disabilities. Mild/moderate disabilities range from behavioral problems, emotional disturbance, adhd learning disabilities, Aspbergers syndrome, and so forth. - These students are referred to special education and set up on a plan to get them to learn in spite of their disability.
It is the Special Educator's job to guide these students to learn. Some students take well to Special education, and others don't. Some students come to the Spec. ed. room on time, listen to the educator, and do their assigned work. Other students don't show up at all, or show up and are disruptive. - These students are the biggest problem. - Not only do they not care, but we have to make an effort to teach them. Why? Because under federal guidelines within the IDEA, and also within the 504 plan, students have a right to a free and appropriate education from ages 3 until age 21. - THEY HAVE A RIGHT UNTIL AGE 21. Want to have them sent to a different school? The student and their parents can challenge in court. Want to have them sent to a different school and their parents are ok with it? The only problem is that the school district will have to pay to have the student educated elsewhere.
That's what the issue is man. - There are students who show up and act like idiots, or who don't care and who don't show up. Somehow, someway, teachers are responsible for getting these students to pass the test that is comprised of the questions provided in the link below.
In case anybody missed it, here's a link to some of the sample questions on the standardized test that high school students must pass. http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/...p;Content=86742
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Just a general reply ........
I've been thinking more and more about this ...... and why don't we give kids a test at the start of the year ..... to determine where they are in their learning ..... and then at the end of the year to measure their progress?
I know .... "teaching to the test" ..... but the test can be designed based on the curriculum that the teacher is supposed to teach ...... and the learning by the children can then be measured, along with the effectiveness of the teacher. You can use "environmental" data, such as location, demographics, etc ...... but it is the fairest way to see what and if kids are learning that I can think of.
I just do not understand the desire for teachers to get a free pass on one of the more important jobs there is. There has to be a way to measure their results, and to try and apply corrective measures if certain teachers are not getting the results they should.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I've been thinking more and more about this ...... and why don't we give kids a test at the start of the year ..... to determine where they are in their learning ..... and then at the end of the year to measure their progress?
It's pass the OGT tests or nothing. What you have thought of here is great idea, but it's been thought of before, and it's not going to take precedence over the OGT.
To add on your idea, why not figure out what subjects students are naturally gifted in, and if they consent, mainstream them in these areas?
Btw, did you get a chance to look at some of the sample questions in the link I provided above?
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Sorry, thought I mentioned it ... but when I click your link I get:
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Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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