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Congrats to the Lake County team as they pitched a no-hitter last night.

Congratulations to Trey Haley, Francisco Jimenez and Clayton Ehlert, for the first no hitter of the young professional season.

and perez, i'm not sure what his contract status is, but you have to get that guy locked up, he's as important as anyone else. the guy is money. he's as sure of a thing was jose mesa was pre-game 7.

i just can't believe how well they are pitching. i hope it holds up.

my one question for the tribe now is. can these guys stage a comeback? there are gonna be times where the pitching isn't there, or the bullpen has a hiccup. can they get it when they need it? because they have certainly proven they can get the lead out of the gate, which is more important.

tried out the mlb tv yesterday for the first time (since the extra innings preview ended) it's awesome. they really give you a lot of bells and whistles. you can tell it's streaming, but it's great quality (nothing like watching a game through the now-gone atdhe or justin or channelsurfing, etc)

Well, that out to whip you Tribe fans into a full on tizzy, lol.

Big club's going crazy, apparently the greatest minor leaguers to ever don a uniform coming in a pipeline that will start this summer and run for the next 4 years - now you have low levelers throwing team no-hitters. Optimism abounds!

Congrats to you guys on your start, maybe more than the 8-9,000 diehards will now make a trip down to the ballpark on the next homestand...

the fans will show up.

they have every right to show up when they want. if the league is going to be brutally unfair and the owner is going to make excuses and send away fans' favorite players, then keep your money and spend it wisely. come to the games when you think it's the right time.

go to year to year with the club. when they put out a product, buy it. when they don't, use your money elsewhere.

doesn't make you any less of a fanbase, not when the league is put together like it is, and the owners do what they do.

i've had that stance for years. the league sucks, but i think some of these small and mid market owners use that as an excuse to do NOTHING.

the weather getting better and the cavs not in the playoffs will help too.

i think on top of it the town is still stung from the decision. a good baseball summer would be a nice way to help people get over it.

you have to admit outside of the browns most are bandwagon fans when it comes to the cavs or indians. Before Lebron the indians were the 2nd choice, now it's the cavs. If the indians continue to play well, it will be the indians again.

Personally I believe baseball is more balanced. Just look at the nba. The cavs have to watch some stupid lottery to see where they pick. Plus you only get maybe 1-2 new rookies to draft in a given year. THe indians didn't keep Lee, Or Cc, but it seems they have found replacements, that could win at this level. In the nba, the cavs may be waiting a long time to find guys that won like Lebron did.

exactly. in the NBA, there are only 5 players on the court at a time. 1 or 2 elite players can completely change the complexion of your team, but there are only 10-15 such players in the NBA.

And they tend to be mostly the same players for years at a time. Much harder egg to crack there.

the problem with the cavs, is that they were an awful team from post price/daugherty to pre-lbj. and the nba is an expensive ticket. on top of cleveland being a small town, it's gonna look like the town are a bunch of bandwagoners. but the fans seem to be knowledgeable on the team.

not everyone payed attention to the cavs, but i only went to a small handful of games when they were bad. not worth my money and i'd rather watch on tv. but when lbj came around we would try and go to a game once or twice a season.

with the indians i think people are into the team and they know the players but going to the games and giving the team their money is another issue.

i've seen bandwagoners. when the blackhawks won the cup, there were people who couldn't even say jonathan toews correctly, yet claimed to be longtime hawk fans.

but totally agree punch, when you kick someone in the balls repeatedly, they'll get up, it just might take a minute.

I really dislike bandwagoners. I feel like they do it to either be "that guy". You know the ones I'm talking about, talking about the Laker "Fans" who have never been to LA. Or to be the one Orlando "fan" at the Cleveland Sports bar during the playoffs. They become one to be a frontrunner or to be the real life troll. No pride or loyalty.

I run into Cleveland/OSU fans all the time here in DC. I completely agree, its great.

I also a lot of Capital fans though, but the funny thing is that they aren't Wizards or Nationals fans. They're Yankees/BoSox and Lakers/Celtics fans.

I broke down and watched some Baseball Tonight, they opened up with the tribe, but then they immediately started discussing how they likely wont win the division, and discussed whether sizemore/hafner will be traded this season. BSPN at it again.

yeah, but thank God it's 2011 and we don't have to watch bspn to get our highlights.

have you checked out mlb network? it's awesome. you get to see EVERYONE. seriously, i lost touch with the rest of mlb because all bspn show is yankees, red sox, mets, cubs, and the occasional dodger highlight.

espn has gotten so bad that it was literally 15 minute clips of all the good plays with yankees/red sox, + interviews + in studio analysis. then they show a ground ball out in the tribe game and give the box score. awesome. thanks.

nhl network is the same way. since bspn hates hockey, you can get great stuff at their network. a good 5 minute package on each of the night's games. they don't just show the goals either. they'll show the near goals, great saves, hits, fights, etc.

the nba is exactly the same. it's not just celtics-lakers-heat-knicks. they show everyone. they promote their league. you can see as much of the grizzlies highlights as you would the heat or lakers.

i really have no reason to watch bspn. other than college football and monday night football, they are about as useless as it gets.

They've really become, "The Frontrunner Network" ... no wonder why Lebron is in bed with them.

lol I like that nickname.

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is pretty good too.

I just wish that MLB/NBA TV wouldn't black out local teams.

I can get NBA, MLB, and NHL on my Roku ...... but all of them have blackout restrictions. What sucks is that I could get STO if i had cable and get all of the local games without blackouts.

i don't think there are as many sox fan bandwagoners. i think their attendance was kinda sad (it's still not great) but again, they are the red headed step child in this town, and the cubs are the favorites. i can't stand the cubs, or cub fans, but the atmosphere around wrigley is a blast. bars, restaurants. it's kinda like jacobs field except with more. at cellular, there's nothing. people tailgate and that's about it. you go to the game and then go home.

i know blackhawks people rag on bill wirtz too, but i think the guy had a good heart, he just had 2 problems. he was extremely old school. and two, he was insanely loyal to his people, who happened to run the team like complete garbage. i do know this, hawks fans should thank him, because he left the team in great hands, both with his son, the people around his son, and the young talent that had just come up (all their young guys had already been drafted/acquired)

i never understood the not putting homegames on tv. because if he was as big of a penny-pincher as the fans made him out to be, why would you not put your games on tv, that's big money?

Ha ha ha....as bad as the Czar of the Telestrator's offensive gameplan was, I kinda liked that team. Wasn't that during the one or two years Kemp actually played sort of ok for the Cavs?

Back on topic, CBS.Sportsline has the Tribe on it's main page. They even have them at #6 in the most recent Power Rankings ( LINK )

It had to be about trying to get more people to come to the games. Back when TV was exploding 40 years ago for sports, wI'm sure he was nervous about everyone staying home to watch on TV and not buying tickets. And once they got used to staying home, they'd stop caring over time about the true atmoshphere at a game. Again, old school. I'm sure once he made his mind up, he couldn't/didn't switch back. I think you HAVE to make sure your product can be consumed as much as possible (TV, cable, internet, stadium....anything). And yes, the money for broadcasting the games had to be decent and he passed that up.

I don't think Wirtz or Dolan are/were bad for their franchises....just made some fan unfriendly choices and didn't realize the backlash that it would create.

Well, maybe Chicago fans couldn't get over their owner being from Michigan. Cleveland fans were the same way with a former WR.

i don't think us cleveland fans have a problem with that one owner from michigan running the cavs, lol.

i don't care where your from, just win and be passionate about it.

Actually, I think getting Kemp was the beginning of the end for the Cavs.

I still loved them all through it though. From Rebound Ricky Davis to "The best PG in the League" TB to ugly-as-sin Tyrone Hill. I loved those teams. I loved their hideous uniforms. I never stopped wavering as a fan of the Cavs.

I was a huge Indians fan my whole life, through good times and bad. My dad had season tickets he shared with a couple other guys. I went to 15 games or so the year they lost over a hundred. I remember as a young kid thinking Dave Clark was going to be the next HR king because he had two multi-HR games in a row. I remember slamming the yellow seats as my contribution to the "clap-clap-clap...clap-clap-clap" rally call and my dad telling me to stop (presumably because he felt some sense of ownership of our 2nd row reserve seats behind first base.) I remember when every time we played the Blue Jays it seemed as if the game were being held in Toronto. I remember Tom Candiotti, Corey Snyder, Joe Carter, and Brook Jacoby. I remember Ernie Camacho.

I remember getting excited about Carlos Baerga, Joey Belle, Sandy Alomar, and Charles Nagy. The team was looking up.

I remember going to the first game held at Jacobs field, (both the exhibition game and the real one.) I remember how ridiculous it was that Eric Plunk was the first winning pitcher (though I don't remember if that was the exhibition or the real game.) I was so angry when the strike happened, because finally we had a good team.

My single favorite memory as an Indians fan was being at the game v. the Red Sox in the '95 divisional series, when Tony Pena ended that marathon over the left field wall and circled the bases with both arms straight in the air. My second-favorite memory was actually not even during a game, but during pre-game introductions, when we all stood up and cheered for Kenny Lofton at the All-Star game. He said his decision to come back to Cleveland was heavily influenced by that moment. Those were great days, but I can't say I loved the Indians any more then than when Cory Snyder was knocking in a run by hitting into a double play.

I remember getting chills listening in the car as I'm going up Cedar Hill to the radio broadcast of CC Sabathia's first appearance as an Indian as he's hitting high 90s and fanning whatever ludicrous mortals dared to step into the box against him.

I loved the Indians. Things had dipped a little, but I still loved my Tribe. CC won the Cy Young. Then they traded him.

What?

Then Cliff Lee won the Cy Young. Then they traded him.

That was it. That was it for me. You don't trade away consecutive reigning Cy Young winners if you care. The Indians didn't care. How could I? At that point, the Indians were basically dead to me. I didn't expect them to compete (or try to compete) for a decade. I really stopped caring.

That's why I'm excited for this season, but the enthusiasm is tempered. I need to see that they really are trying to win. That they want to win. So far, everything looks great. My feeling of betrayal is melting, and I'm coming back, but I'm not all the way in yet.

I remember the Joe Carter trade. How my dad was so excited at first, then looked closer at the paper (yeah, that's how long ago it was), and got mad.

"We traded Joe Carter and got back the WRONG Alomar. How could we trade with SD and get back the wrong Alomar. Did we write the wrong name down?"

He came around quickly, but I always remembered that (and in the end, he was right).

Of course they WANT to win ... it's just not that easy. Pretty much agree with most your post, though my loyalty to the Indians has never waivered. It's pretty hard to sign your Cy Young winners when they let it be known that they're not going to sign for anything less than top market value. Your only options are: 1) Sign them for top market value, and pray that you aren't an underachieving, two-trick pony that can't get into the post-season (sort of like how we were in 2008) ... 2) Hold on to them and pray that they don't pull a Lebron on you and leave you with nothing to show for it ... 3) Trade them for what you can get, and pray you get a new, young team from the ashes down the road (what, hopefully, we have now).

I've always wondered what I would prefer more ... a Browns, Indians or Cavs Championship. Cavs are definatly way back in #3, but it's almost a tie between the Browns and Indians for me. I sort of grew up on baseball ... plus with the Indians, there's still that 50% chance that they can win a championship *in* a Cleveland stadium. With the Browns, if they ever won the Superbowl, it would be on some neutral ground, with only a handful of "diehards" in attendance. I don't think anything could top seeing Cleveland fans going bonkers as one of their teams won their first trophy in decades, right in front of them.

Lets keep our eye on the prize here people, page 4 should be copied and pasted into the cavs/NBA thread

The Cavs are back at #3, winning a chip with lbj would have been so sweet. local area kid brings home the trophy, ends big drought. too good to be true, ending being just that.

the browns winning the super bowl tops the list. the funny thing is, i can't imagine in. i can't close my eyes and see the browns in the super bowl, the week leading up to it. the craziness after the game. the always-there sports illustrated commercial (you know, the "hey browns fans, you just won the super bowl, now come and buy our commemorative issue and get the free ball!") like i literally cannot imagine them winning it.

maybe cause it's because they haven't been there. but i could have imagined lbj getting the cavs the ring, and of course the tribe winning, because they were as close as you can get without getting it.

We should have a pool going to see when the Indians lose next

if the Browns were about to win the Superbowl, the world would end before the game ended. Just like how the Indians were destined to win the 1994 WS.

The Angels are too good to get swept. And these are road games remember. We won't come back home with a 10-win streak.

{Reverse Jinx Post of the Day}

[quoteI don't think anything could top seeing Cleveland fans going bonkers as one of their teams won their first trophy in decades, right in front of them. ]

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Amen Brother! Amen!

Gottya my friend

j/c

I am an admitted fairweather Indians fan, but now, I feel like I can't start watching their games. I haven't watched any yet, and they've been winning. Guess I'll just have to settle for Sportscenter and the newspaper.