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If they do resign him i doubt that it will be to play LT. I read somewhere yesterday that Whisenhut doesn't think much of Davis as a LT but wouldn't mind seeing him at OG. 
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I know that you're actually mirroring a point I touched on in another thread when talking about how much we can invest in the O-line, but my short answer is this:
However much it takes
And it STILL ain't the 20+M u claimed...Even WITH Thomas...
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If anyone has questions...Here it is...
This is ALL Detroit inherits...Bases...
2007 2,335,000.00
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The Detroit Lions have agreed to send cornerback Dre' Bly to the Denver Broncos in exchange for running back Tatum Bell and tackle George Foster. Trades cannot become official until Friday, the first day of the league year.
Been thinking about this and it would seem that Detroit got one heckofa deal if this is all there is to it.
Player for player swaps are rare and I wonder if there is not more to this deal that involves draft picks that will be announced at a later date??
On the surface, I just can't see the Broncos giving up two starters on offense for one starter on defense who may be on the back side of his prime with 9 yrs in the NFL.
I would not be surprised if more news is coming on this deal.
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Broncos | Pick sent to Detroit as part of trade compensation
Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:29:15 -0800 KFFL.com
Updating previous reports, Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos also traded an undisclosed draft choice, which is believed to be a fifth-round pick, to the Detroit Lions in exchange for CB Dre' Bly. As reported, the Broncos also parted ways with RB Tatum Bell and OT George Foster.
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Holy crap..When did Millen learn how to become a GM? What a great deal for the Lions!!! Talented RB, upgrade at RT plus a draft choice for an overrated, aging corner.... Bronco Billy must be whippin him into shape.  This makes Thomas to us look very good. I don;t think the Cards will be able to move up. You have to figure that they have enough holes on their team (much like us) and they won;t be able to swing the 1st and 2nd it will take to move up.
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They also lost a guard/tackle in Verba
Man, that was SOME loss
Doesn't hurt me, we'll still get Peterson (I hope)
That was to me a great trade for the Lions. (what? Millen did something good?) Scratch Adrian Peterson off the list for the Lions. Guess they don't like Kevin Jones??
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J/C on your post Brownie: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well they have Backus at left tackle and they had a hole at RT. This fills that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I forgot about Backus... HACK BPG, Thanks for straightening out Steelhack  . That is the same line of thinking I was going with regarding Backus. I figured He or Thomas at LT the other at rigtht until today. Mac, your not breaking anything to me on the Tucker mental thing. That is persicely why I had that as one of my two questions regarding taking Thomas. Toad, I hope your right sir. On both accounts.
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That was to me a great trade for the Lions. (what? Millen did something good?) Scratch Adrian Peterson off the list for the Lions. Guess they don't like Kevin Jones??
They like Kevin Jones just fine. However, he suffered a serious Lisfranc fracture (foot) toward the end of last season and they don't know when he'll get back -- assuming he comes back. They needed to pick up a starting RB and it looks like they got one in Tatum Bell.
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They also lost a guard/tackle in Verba
Man, that was SOME loss
Doesn't hurt me, we'll still get Peterson (I hope)
That was to me a great trade for the Lions. (what? Millen did something good?) Scratch Adrian Peterson off the list for the Lions. Guess they don't like Kevin Jones??
Jones is coming off an injury and may not be ready for the start of the season. It was a Lis Franc fracture; named after Jacques Lisfranc, a field surgeon in Napoleon’s army, who first diagnosed it. I believe at the time amputation was the suggested treatment.
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It's good news. We have a better shot at Joe. My only concerns: Oakland trades Moss and drafts CJ. Would Savage be dumb enough to take Russell? Detroit trades their # 2 overall pick w/a team like Arizona. The Cards would [censored] Thomas. However, taking all things into consideration, we do have a better shot at drafting Joe than we did before this trade. Let's hope!!!
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I know that you're actually mirroring a point I touched on in another thread when talking about how much we can invest in the O-line, but my short answer is this:
However much it takes
And it STILL ain't the 20+M u claimed...Even WITH Thomas...
We're still hung up on that? 
Throw Thomas out of the equation (or keep him and throw Tucker out, but both being kept were in the scenario, as Tucker could be a guard) and we're over $20 million Seems that only you and I are talkin' about it, even though it could easily influence whether or not we draft Thomas.
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The Cards would [censored] Thomas.
umm???? do I want to know what the censored word is here?
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LOL...........but, I could have sworn I said that the Cards would take--or pick...Thomas. Let's see if gets censored again. 
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Must have used the word "s-n-a-t-c-h." That was censored earlier this afternoon on another thread.
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LOL...........but, I could have sworn I said that the Cards would take--or pick...Thomas.
Let's see if gets censored again.
Did you say [censored]?
Yeah, you said [censored], no idea why it's censored. We're not talking about female anatomy here.
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LMAO...........yeah, I bet I did. 
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Or it could have been [censored].
Rhymes with brick and is a typo (with the 'R' in there).
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The Detroit Lions have agreed to send cornerback Dre' Bly to the Denver Broncos in exchange for running back Tatum Bell and tackle George Foster. Trades cannot become official until Friday, the first day of the league year.
Been thinking about this and it would seem that Detroit got one heckofa deal if this is all there is to it.
Player for player swaps are rare and I wonder if there is not more to this deal that involves draft picks that will be announced at a later date??
On the surface, I just can't see the Broncos giving up two starters on offense for one starter on defense who may be on the back side of his prime with 9 yrs in the NFL.
I would not be surprised if more news is coming on this deal.
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Broncos | Pick sent to Detroit as part of trade compensation
Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:29:15 -0800 KFFL.com
Updating previous reports, Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos also traded an undisclosed draft choice, which is believed to be a fifth-round pick, to the Detroit Lions in exchange for CB Dre' Bly. As reported, the Broncos also parted ways with RB Tatum Bell and OT George Foster.
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It just seemed to me that the Lions were getting one heck of a deal and even giving up only a 5th rounder, the Lions are getting a great deal, IMO.
Here's why...contrary to what Toad said, I just checked and both Foster and Bell were still starting for the Broncos at the end of the season.
Bell's record for starts in 2006 was 13 of 13 games and Foster started 13 of 16 games. I have no idea why Foster and Bell each missed the 3 starts (injury?)but both started the last 5 games and it could have been more as I didn't go any further back in checking the starting stats.
I'll say it again, the Lions got one heckuva deal here folks, even giving up only a 5th rounder.
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A few thoughts that I did not see on this thread of what this trade means to us:
1. Denver was willing to trade Tatum Bell and are widely assumed to want to trade Jake Plummer. I wonder if Phil had tried suggesting a trade of Tatum, Plummer, and our 1st for their 1st round pick. If we then drafted Kalil, C, USC, then we would be upgrading 3 positions of need that way. Too bad.
2. Denver needs an upgrade at RB. Perhaps Shanahan is tired of throwing out Joe-Nobody's and would like to have Adrian Peterson in his stable? The problem is without Tatum...Plummer, their 1st and something else. I just don't know what something else is worth the trade (maybe next year's #1 pick).
3. Don't discount trading down with a team a few spots lower that falls in love with Thomas or Peterson if we can significantly improve our overall team that way.
Let's say we trade with Houston at #8 and also get their 2nd round pick (personally, I would also try to get Carr in this trade or another serviceable player). We would then be able to draft Levi Brown for less money as well as address 2 areas of need in the early part of the 2nd round. And while Levi Brown cannot run a 40 as fast as Joe Thomas, he was a more physical presense and is extremely smart (as can be seen by his dual degree...one of which is in psychology). He is very similar to McNeil of SD, which is why scouts are not going to let him drop too far in the 1st this year.
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It's good news. We have a better shot at Joe.
My only concerns:
Oakland trades Moss and drafts CJ. Would Savage be dumb enough to take Russell?
Detroit trades their # 2 overall pick w/a team like Arizona. The Cards would [censored] Thomas.
However, taking all things into consideration, we do have a better shot at drafting Joe than we did before this trade.
Let's hope!!!
vers...I agree, there could still be moves made by the teams above us that would cost us our shot at Thomas.
But, that does not mean we would be stuck with anyone such as one of the QBs.
If Thomas is gone and Russell is still on the board, our phone could be ringing for trade proposals to move up to our #3. The Browns could still trade down a few slots and take the next best OT on the board or simply go defense with our #3 pick.
It might be a great idea for Savage to bring both Russell and Quinn in for workouts at the appropriate time to keep the rest of the teams guessing as to what we are going to do.
Yep, still a lot things could happen between now and draft day.
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Feel free to wander over to the Donks area and read up on those players. Both were deposed starters who weren't going to start this upcoming season.
Foster landed in the doghouse because he he wasn't playing up to the level that the Rat wanted: Quote:
One of the players mentioned in the potential Dre Bly trade to the Broncos is RT George Foster. The Rocky Mountain News has more information about a player that is described as "enigmatic."
February 28, Rocky Mountain News: There's a segment of the Broncos that still believes the enigmatic Foster can shake the up-and-down play that has landed him on the bench twice in past two years. That feeling might not reach the top of the organization, where decisions are made.
And cost is a factor. Foster is scheduled to make about $1.2 million on the salary cap now, but escalator clauses that kick in later this week could significantly raise the price tag.
"He's been an inconsistent player," Dennison said when asked about Foster's performance. "He's a fantastic athlete. We just need to try and get more out of him."
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Benched is benched, twice is too often.
Bell was always accused of running soft and not getting the tough yards. He'd been given a warning shot in camp when they started the other Bell. Then they gave the job back to Tatum, which he basically gave away at the end of the year.
Like Droughns, he wasn't exactly what Shanahan wanted so he was expendable. The Rat questioned his heart and his ability to stay health, and to top it off, in 13 starts he coughed it up 5 times.
Now, I'm not disputing whether or not it was a good deal for the Lions. I say it was. They get an insurance policy for Kevin Jones, and a guy that should compete for a starting gig. The downside is that they just lost a very good cornerback who wanted out. The 5th round pick.........eh..........whatever. It's a 2nd day pick that probably won't turn into anything.
However, it's not as though the Lions are getting two guys that are quality starters. They are getting two guys who've both been given warning shots and second chances, and both earned tickets out of town.
To me, this is a trade very much like our own with Denver. Both teams got something for players they no longer wanted. One team didn't clearly win over the other (though we did get our first 1200 yard back in 98 years *L*) Will this be a bigger deal for one team or the other? Hard to say. I think they both got what they wanted.
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Toad...you can wander anywhere you want but the "facts" are as I stated. Both players started 13 games each and both were starting the last 5 games of the Broncos season.
Spin that any way you want but the Lions got two good young "starters" for one aging starter of 9 yrs who's best years may be behind him.
Like I said, helluva deal for Detroit, even if they have to give up a 5th rounder.
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Semantics eh? *L* Ok, then here's the deal:
You don't trade starters, so they weren't starters when they were traded
Now maybe the Lions will start them, but at the time of the deal, they were no longer starters. *L*
As noted in the copy, Foster had been benched........twice........and Bell was sent packing.
Semantics, gotta love it *L*
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Let's see if gets censored again.
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Broncs know how to build. Champ Bailey on one corner and Dre Bly on the other.....two pro bowlers along with John Lynch who was also a pro bowler. No wonder they're a winning organization. They probably got a plan on how to get Adrian Peterson also.
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bah.. gimme a break... there were a bunch of words that were getting past the filter before so I went and grabbed the most comprehensive list I could find and just haven't edited back out all of the sillier ones yet  Heck, you shoulda seen some of the stupid things it used to censor, heh
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The downside is that they just lost a very good cornerback who wanted out
I was one who thought we should Blye a look since is was well know he wanted out but he has seemed to slip a bit since his first year with Detroit which was his last Pro-Bowl year If i am not mistaken.
I think the deal was good for both teams as Bell still has some upside and it never hurts to have starting caliber depth at tackle (even if it isnt good starting caliber...soemthing we know nothign about ) and the Donks got a good if not very good corner who will help them be on the verge of the playoffs just as they seem to be every year.
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I would like to point out that Detroit has switched to a Cover-2 Defense. In this defensive scheme, you can get by with slower corners who keep their receiver underneath them and get safety help on anything deep. Dre's first year with Detroit, they played a basic cover 3 most of the time which was man defense in the secondary with FS help.
Dre' has always been at his best when you stick him on an island with his man and let him gamble on underneath routes when he sees the ball coming (and he is smart enough to only gamble when the FS is to his side). Now, he is coming into his 10th year, so maybe he is starting to slip, but I would contest that most of his perceived slipping is due to his skills not matching the defense he is now in.
Credit Detroit for getting his full value despite that perception.
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