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(On his video with Blake Griffin)- “We are good family friends. We played pickup basketball in the summer. We had this idea of showcasing my athleticism a little bit and getting my name out there and kind of market myself. It kind of evolved into this little skit with my agent being involved with it. It turned out pretty well.”
I hadnt seen this but after watching it i'm impressed.
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Nice piece on Marecic and Harbaugh certainly talks him up, but he didn't take him in the draft...
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what i like is i dont see him showboating after every good play he has
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I had insomnia last night so i get up turn to NFL network and an episode of Game Changers is on featuring AJ Green and Greg Little with Mooch and Michael Irvin working these guys out.
Little just jumps off the screen in every way. Physically he stands out even standing next to Irvin and Green. He is 231 pounds and looks like he doesnt have an ounce of body fat.
This is on right now on NFL Network if anyone wants to catch it. I completely agree Mourg, this is making me more and more impressed with the Little pick and think this guy will be a great asset to the team.
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A little side thought that I just had watching this..
I never realized how much goes in to being a wide receiver. You get so used to just watching or playing Madden or something, you don't realize how much the little things matter for a WR, just like going up and hitting the DB or quick plant or little swim moves. It kind of makes me reevaluate the importance and difficulty of finding a true No. 1 WR.
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(On his video with Blake Griffin)- “We are good family friends. We played pickup basketball in the summer. We had this idea of showcasing my athleticism a little bit and getting my name out there and kind of market myself. It kind of evolved into this little skit with my agent being involved with it. It turned out pretty well.”
I hadnt seen this but after watching it i'm impressed.
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Ok....he's J-Bone from now on. 
And good piece on Marecic too.
I'll try to check out the Little piece when I'm home.
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The peice on Green & Little was why I was kinda shocked with so many on the board scoffing at the Little pick with our second 2nd rounder. I'll agree He popped to me also. I also felt while watching it that Micheal Irvin was liking Greg Little aslo.
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Just got watching a few videos of Buster Skrine. I LOVE THIS DUDE!
Mind you it is only a few 3 and 4 minute videos on youtube but for 185lbs this kid is physical. Has phenominal body control and man is he fast.
Decided to look and see what a few sights say about him and Scott Wright had him on his top ten list of sleepers. Says the kid could start in the nickel as a rookie and could develop into a nice 2 or 3.
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Yeah, his videos don't match the scouting reports I was reading about him at all. He seems like a tough dude!
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Yeah the videos I watched he was thumping people all over the field.
I gotta tell you I wasn't real impressed with our draft off the bat, I guess maybe because none of the players were real flashy and didn't really jump out at me. And also were not players I expected to draft. Hell not one of these guy's were even on my radar.
But after doing some re-search and watching some videos on our draftees I am really liking this draft. I'm still not sold on the Jabaal Sheard pick just yet because it worries me that his value was over-inflated because Romeus was getting alot of looks by the opposing team. But I do like his motor, size and speed and hope that he works out for us.
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Sheard didn't really blossom until Romeus was out and he had all of the pressure on him.
Romeus only played in 2 games last year.
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I had insomnia last night so i get up turn to NFL network and an episode of Game Changers is on featuring AJ Green and Greg Little with Mooch and Michael Irvin working these guys out.
Little just jumps off the screen in every way. Physically he stands out even standing next to Irvin and Green. He is 231 pounds and looks like he doesnt have an ounce of body fat.
Irvin teaches these kids to beat the jam with a great punch at the line. I gotta say dbs will hit the ground if Little plays with that kind of power. He has them working on their chop and cut techniques and Little's feet stands out compared to Green and folks that is no overstatement or a slight against a guy I consider the best receiver since Johnson down in Houston.
I know it was just drills but there is something really special with how this kid plays. I saw Mooch and Irving just wowed by these two talented receivers.
Damn...Little is built like Andre Johnson...Impressive...
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one thing I worry about with the UNC-scandal guys.
they were out the year and they realized that they were going to most likely jump to the NFL. they also had a former NFL-HC as their HC (Butch). so, they had all the necessary information and tools to make themselves the prototypical guys for the offseason-combine stuff (as much as their bodies would allow at least). If they didn't, then they would have had serious red flags about their motivation/character.
So, they passed the test of if they would work hard even if they didn't have someone in their ear on a day-to-day basis. But their physique, combine numbers, etc. are all likely exaggerated because they had no physical pounding for the year. They just had a year of non-injury training to work on themselves.
And, I can't decide if that is a good thing (most players don't get that, so it does help them fully realize their physical potential) or a bad thing (they may have been overdrafted vs. their football potential because of it).
Hopefully, in Little's case, it is a good thing. We shall see.
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Little worries me more than any other player we drafted. I hope I'm wrong ... but he seems like a prima donna .... and a "me" kinda guy ..... and probably has the highest bust potential of anyone we drafted.
He was suspended for his senior year. His junior year was hardly spectacular as a WR. He averaged less than 12 yards/catch. That's nowhere near elite status. He had less than 1000 receiving yards as a college player, despite playing 3 years. I didn;t see many big plays in any of the highlight reels I have seen.
He's big and strong ... and fights for yards after contact. Unfortunately he seems to lack high end speed and elusiveness. His hands are also reported as a concern by some scouting reports that say he tries to make too many body catches.
He sounds like Braylon Edwards without the speed and blocking. Yeah ... he worries me a lot. I would have gone a different direction with that pick. Hopefully I'm wrong ... but I have this sick feeling about him that says I'm not.
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don't worry about the blocking. dude can definitely block.
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I didn;t see him block in any of the highlight reels I saw .... and CBS lists blocking as one of his weaknesses.
I don;t remember seeing him play live .... but like I said, I saw very few impressive big plays in any of his highlight reels. His very low yards/catch is a concern to me. In fairness, I don't know how good his QB was though. However, I saw quick hit plays where he was run down from behind .... and that is a concern for a guy expected to be our #1.
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if you are expecting a guy drafted at #59 to be our WR1 in his first season, then yes, you will likely be disappointed.
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Yates was a decent enough QB prospect...he got drafted too
If you listen closely when Holmgren got asked about the HR hitter, you can almost hear that they had someone else as plan A for this slot...here's the transcript but better listen to it:
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(On mentioning earlier that he wanted a home run hitter in this draft)– “When I made that statement, I was thinking of a couple guys. Because of how the draft fell, we did absolutely the right thing, first of all. Secondly, in Little, I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised if you don’t know him very well. I think he is a young man who has a tremendous upside. A home run hitter isn’t necessarily everyone going out for a long one. Yards after a catch and a receiver’s ability to break a tackle and move after the catch can be a home run of sorts. This young man can do that. That is where one of his strengths is. I’m hopeful. We added to our receiver pile. I’ll say this, too – I’ve said this and I’ve said this as long as I’ve been here – I think our receivers are underrated and I don’t know if we know what they can be. Now we are going to find out because the offense we are going to run is a little bit more geared to getting the ball into their hands. So we will find out, but at this point, I think we have good receivers here and this young man is a nice addition to the group.”
Hes stressed "it was the right thing"...sounds like the "couple of guys" were Titus Young and probably T.Smith and he sounded like he didn't want to bash Heckert for maybe not trading up to get their plan A or B target there...a 6th would have been enough to jump over Ozzie and take Smith, maybe they tried and other teams asked for too much? However, Holmgren really sounded like a guy who didnt want to hurt anyones feelings there, which made me believe they didn't get their A or B target there...Little may have been a position need reach/backup plan, not getting "the couple of guys" Holmgren referred to (maybe Green/J.Jones?)
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talking about how the draft fell, I sort of assumed he meant AJ Green going to the Bengals ahead of us in the 1st.
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As I said at the end of my post that very well could be the case but you have to listen to it to get what I "heard", maybe I'm listening too much into it though...
Updated my sig btw...this draft made me more positive about the direction of this team, so here goes...
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My guess would be (1) Green and (2) Young.
I think Little will be good.
I hope Robiskie does well, but I don't know that WCO is the right fit for him. His best skills are adjusting to the ball, gaining position on the DB, timing his catch, and grabbing/wrestling the ball. I think he was underused in those situations under Mangini. He finally had a couple opportunities in the Baltimore game to do that on the pass from Massaquoi (which he had absolutely no business getting to but scored the TD anyway) and then on the bogus OPI call, as well as the deep hitter on the left sideline.
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My guess would be (1) Green and (2) Young.
I think Little will be good.
I hope Robiskie does well, but I don't know that WCO is the right fit for him. His best skills are adjusting to the ball, gaining position on the DB, timing his catch, and grabbing/wrestling the ball. I think he was underused in those situations under Mangini. He finally had a couple opportunities in the Baltimore game to do that on the pass from Massaquoi (which he had absolutely no business getting to but scored the TD anyway) and then on the bogus OPI call, as well as the deep hitter on the left sideline.
I totally disagree on Robo. He's a guy who can move the chains and isn't afraid to fight for extra yards after the catch. He's a guy who knows how to run routes well too, so I would expect him to do well in a true WCO.
Not sure about MoMass though. He's not a very good route runner and has some problems catching the ball. I don't see him being very effective in a WCO.
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Just got watching a few videos of Buster Skrine. I LOVE THIS DUDE!
Mind you it is only a few 3 and 4 minute videos on youtube but for 185lbs this kid is physical. Has phenominal body control and man is he fast.
Decided to look and see what a few sights say about him and Scott Wright had him on his top ten list of sleepers. Says the kid could start in the nickel as a rookie and could develop into a nice 2 or 3.
that first play .... holy crapola. and he fumbled during the run back too! wow that was one of the craziest plays i've ever seen. lol. his highlight vid kinda looks like haden's from his first year on the browns.
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Sheard didn't really blossom until Romeus was out and he had all of the pressure on him.
Romeus only played in 2 games last year.
Yeah I forgot Romeus didn't play last year. The videos I watched I never seen Sheard getting double teamed though and didn't pay attention to the other side of the line. Guess I just made an assumption.
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I have to say from those vids, I certainly don't see the problem with his tackling that a lot of people remarked on. He seemed to have good wrap-up form on a lot of those plays.
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The highlight videos of Taylor on you tube were not really highlight videos lol. They were more of just random plays when Taylor was on the field, many of which the ball went away from Taylor.
In those shots however you can still see his explosiveness to get up field. You can also see how bad the rest of that defense was lol. One thing about it, when he gets his paws on someone they are going down and he is putting all of his 340lb frame on them.
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One thing everyone should keep in mind with the Buster skrine pick. You can teach form, you can teach technique but you cant teach 4.26 speed. Jauron loves to teach defensive backs, (mangini did also and was very good at it). Buster is in a great place to learn from really good teachers.
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If you listen closely when Holmgren got asked about the HR hitter, you can almost hear that they had someone else as plan A for this slot...here's the transcript but better listen to it:
Mike Holmgren
(On mentioning earlier that he wanted a home run hitter in this draft)– “When I made that statement, I was thinking of a couple guys. Because of how the draft fell, we did absolutely the right thing, first of all. Secondly, in Little, I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised if you don’t know him very well. I think he is a young man who has a tremendous upside. A home run hitter isn’t necessarily everyone going out for a long one .
Torrey Smith probably was a name slotted to be taken there.
But since the Rats got 'em,there was still one potiential big play ,big receiver left to snatch ..Little.
I don't sense the " he didn't want to bash Heckert for maybe not trading up to get their plan A or B target there" that you do.I think since they spent their 3rd on Taylor ,they were not going to spend another pick at this point.
They saw who was there and were patient.
Now ...I wish they had been patient at 27 and not spent that 3rd rounder.
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Torrey Smith doesn't fit the Browns at all.
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Cleveland Browns picked Phil Taylor right where he belonged
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ird-round-pick/
Chart says Chiefs scored big in trading for Browns’ third-round pick
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 4, 2011, 6:50 PM EDT
The Browns hauled in a bounty of draft picks from the Falcons when they moved down from pick No. 6 to pick No. 27. But a few hours later, when the Browns traded back up to get pick No. 21 from the Chiefs, Cleveland overpaid.
At least, the Browns overpaid according to the draft chart that NFL teams use as™a rough approximation of the value of picks when trying to decide what makes for a fair trade. The Chiefs’ official web site notes that of the 18 trades made featuring only 2011 draft picks, the one with the greatest point differential, according to the chart, was that Chiefs-Browns trade, in which Cleveland shipped its third-round pick (No. 70 overall) to Kansas City in order to move up six spots in the first round and select defensive tackle Phil Taylor.
According to the chart, that meant the Browns gave up two picks worth 920 points to get one pick worth 800 points. That 120-point difference was the most for any of the 18 trades.
Mike Sando of ESPN has the full breakdown of all the trades, which shows that in addition to the Browns, the other team that significantly overpaid for a trade was Jacksonville, which gave up the 16th and 49th picks in order to move up to the 10th pick to take Blaine Gabbert.
In other words, two teams that traded down in the first round (Chiefs and Redskins) got great deals from teams wanting to move up (Browns and Jaguars). Of course, if Gabbert becomes the Jaguars’ franchise quarterback and Taylor becomes a Pro Bowler, no one is going to say those teams overpaid.
Ultimately, a look at all 18 trades shows that most of the time, teams follow the chart closely when making trades. In 10 of the 18 trades, the difference in value among the picks traded was nine points or less, according to the chart.
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Of course, if Gabbert becomes the Jaguars’ franchise quarterback and Taylor becomes a Pro Bowler, no one is going to say those teams overpaid.
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P. Peterson could also be considered a home run hitter, especially with his return ability. And we might as well call a pick 6 a grand slam  But really, I don't have any real idea who Holmgren was referring to, and that is assuming that he was being up front in the first place.
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Good point. In all honesty ... for all we know they were planning on drafting Gabbert and it just made sense to trade down, give colt a year, and then if he stinks (as has been pointed out in another post) we have the ammunition with a presumably early 1st and 2nd, plus a mid to late 1st from atlanta to snag a Luck or Barkely for the future ...
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I believe that Torrey Smith is seen (at least from what has been collectively suggested on this board), as simply a speedster. From what I remember he doesn't have the best route running ability, and is more of a burner.
We need guys who can run perfect routes in the WCO ... he's also slightly smaller (only 200 to 205 pounds), and doesn't present that "catch it, break a tackle and run for miles" type of threat. He also doesn't go much across the middle and is more of a sideline runner at that ... not exactly what I would think we will be running if we mimick the Green Bay style of offense or if it looks like Philly either from what I can remember at least.
That being said he is a tremendous athlete and a great player. I'm not trying to knock him either. I just think that there would have been others that I would have taken before him even if he were still on the board. That list would definitely include a couple names like Randall Cobb and Leonard Hankerson .. and I just don't know if I ever bought into Torrey Smith when he wasn't really hyped until he was a breakout speedster at the combine.
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His speed would stretch the defense which is what you want.. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1242961/torrey-smithRelease: Good burst off the snap to eat up the cushion. Possesses very good straight-line speed, making it risky for defenders to attempt press coverage. Quick hands to slap away the initial jam and has the balance, flexibility and strength to absorb a pop, gain freedom quickly and accelerate downfield. Hands: Reliable pass-catcher, though he needs to be more consistent with catching with his hands. Shows the ability to extend and pluck the ball out of the air. Long arms and good body control to contort in space to make the difficult reception of a poorly thrown ball. Can absorb the big hit and hang on. Good vision and balance to track the ball over his shoulder. Route running: Remains a work in progress in this area, though he showed significant improvement as a junior. Generally asked to run only vertical, comeback drags across the middle and quick screens in this offense. Has been able to gain separation largely due to his speed, though he shows good footwork and balance to develop in this area. After the catch: His best attribute due to his agility, straight-line speed and vision. Gliding runner who accelerates quickly and changes directions without sacrificing speed. Can make defenders miss in the open field, but doesn't possess elite lateral agility to juke in tight quarters. Good straight-line speed to separate. A threat to score from any point on the field.
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But if speed was the only important thing in a wide receiver ... Al Davis would have a championship by now and Heyward-Bey would have had a 100 yard game every game ...
Besides... with all due respect I don't necessarily buy into any specific scouting reports for plusses or minuses ... but even in the one that you posted it showed that his route running is a weakness ...
Not ideal for a west coast offense ... especially when we want to stress Colt (or whatever QB) throwing passes in the medium 10 to 20 yard range ... and not 40 or 50 yard bombs. It wouldn't work with Colt as a QB very often ...
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Yep ... and I haven't seen any videos showing off his blocking ability.
He played RB for a year or so, and I didn't see any great blocks from him at RB either. I'd like to see with my own eyes if blocking is a strength when someone says that it definitely is ...... but every scouting report I have read says it's a weakness.
I understand that most highlight reel type videos won't show much blocking ..... but a RB will have a knockout block shown now and then.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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