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One of the reasons I love the Socom games. I'm hoping Zipper (the creators of the game) are making a Bin Laden missions via download for Socom 4 that came out two weeks ago. Or perhaps save it for Socom 5.

"Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated."


bin Laden was really the reincarnation of Mark Twain

Some details from an LA Times columnist here:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt...navy-seals.html

FBI Most Wanted Terrorists

j/c...

Couple of random thoughts on this:

1. I just don't see where Obama tried to use this for political gain (well...yet anyway...lets see how the election debates go!) because this wasn't a partisan issue. This was a great moment for our brave men and women of the armed forces, no matter what political background.

2. Kudos to Obama for playing hardball with the Pakistanis and not treading lightly on a sensitive political situation. He sent the message a long time ago...if He's in your country, we'll come get him with or without you and that's that.

3. I can't wait for the movie on this. Chuck Norris...Matt Damon...George Clooney? It should be a doozy.

4. So now Bin Laden is in the afterlife with his virgins....too bad for him that's it's actually 72 dudes who worked for Best Buy's Geek Squad.

I don;t get the "He used it for political gain" comes from.

The election is a couple of years away. If it was days before the election, then I could see it ..... but not this far away.

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3. I can't wait for the movie on this. Chuck Norris...Matt Damon...George Clooney? It should be a doozy.

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.....and in his comeback debut, starring in "Winning.....NOT"

Charlie Sheen as "Osama Bin Laden".

Simply saying "we got him" will never be enough. I would imagine they have some solid documentation--if you have his body, you will have to have forensic evidence. I am certain that most if not all of that information will be made public. It has to. Not to deny a coverup but to confirm and move on.

As for the folks above mentioning that this is because Obama played nicey nice with the Muslims and Pakistan is about as absurd as they come. This is the result of a long and exhaustive manhunt conducted in the shadows and at times in the public eye (predator drone strikes) to get this guy and was done without the Pakistani's knowing and apparently from a tip inside Gitmo. Whether that's true or not is dubious.

I give Obama credit for issuing the command "go" and I am glad this chapter in our country can have some closure. Still, would be nice if he shared the stage with Bush and maybe even Clinton since the war to combat terror has been being waged, successfully and unsuccessfully for the past two administrations.

Pretty interesting. A guy on Twitter (@ReallyVirtual) who lives in Abbottabad tweeted about helicopters flying over his house and how unusual it was.

I personally don't see the problem in Obama saying that. If the media would have never leaked it, we would have never of known what unit did the deed. There is no doubt that killing bin Laden is a moral victory only and not the end of Al Qaeda. By not releasing the unit's identity, he was protecting them from retaliation.

Plus, I do see this as a positive for Obama as president, and lord knows that he needs them. Bush pretty much abandoned it as his main priority and turned his attention to Iraq where it stayed. Once Obama was elected, he re-organized the priorities to make tracking him down the main priority. That WAS his decision. As commander in chief, he DOES get to make those calls.

My friend is a Reserve in Afghanistan right now. He was training heavily for Iraq (would have been his second tour there). Three months after Obama was in office and a week before they were supposed to deploy, they got orders that they are being reassigned to Afghanistan instead and would get an extra month to prepare. Obama does deserve credit for making this his main priority.

So yes, I do believe that he deserves to take credit here because of his actions and because he is trying to protect those troops.

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So yes, I do believe that he deserves to take credit here because of his actions and because he is trying to protect those troops.

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I don't know if that's totally true. Yes, he gave the order when told it was doable.. For that, kudos to Obama. Not to lessen doing that, but any president should give that same order knowing what we know today.

Another point is that the CIA wouldn't even have the information that eventually lead to Bin Laden if it weren't for info gathered in Gitmo. And I guantee you, Obama wants no part of Gitmo.. So some kudos have to go to the previous adminstation I think.

I don't remember what poster on here said it, but I guess it was about 5 or 6 months ago, I made one of my off handed comments, question really, about since Obama was in office, those jobs lost the month he was sworn in were on him... I was half joking and someone on here said they are on him..
Dumb comment,,

But if that's how people think, if that's the way some want it, since Bin Laden went down on Obamas watch,, He's solely responsible then right..

Just using the same logic here.. But I suppose I'll get told why it's logical for one and not for the other.. Spare me the rhetoric folks....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/asia/02reconstruct-capture-osama-bin-laden.html?hp



Detective Work on Courier Led to Breakthrough on Bin LadenBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPER
Published: May 2, 2011
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.A trusted courier of Osama bin Laden’s whom American spies had been hunting for years was finally located in a compound 35 miles north of the Pakistani capital, close to one of the hubs of American counterterrorism operations. The property was so secure, so large, that American officials guessed it was built to hide someone far more important than a mere courier.

What followed was eight months of painstaking intelligence work, culminating in a helicopter assault by American military and intelligence operatives that ended in the death of Bin Laden on Sunday and concluded one of history’s most extensive and frustrating manhunts.

American officials said that Bin Laden was shot in the head after he tried to resist the assault force, and that one of his sons died with him.

For nearly a decade, American military and intelligence forces had chased the specter of Bin Laden through Pakistan and Afghanistan, once coming agonizingly close and losing him in a pitched battle at Tora Bora, in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan. As Obama administration officials described it, the real breakthrough came when they finally figured out the name and location of Bin Laden’s most trusted courier, whom the Qaeda chief appeared to rely on to maintain contacts with the outside world.

Detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, had given the courier’s pseudonym to American interrogators and said that the man was a protégé of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

American intelligence officials said Sunday night that they finally learned the courier’s real name four years ago, but that it took another two years for them to learn the general region where he operated.

Still, it was not until August that they tracked him to the compound in Abbottabad, a medium-sized city about an hour’s drive north of Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan.

C.I.A. analysts spent the next several weeks examining satellite photos and intelligence reports to determine who might be living at the compound. A senior administration official said that by September the C.I.A. had decided that there was a “strong possibility” that Bin Laden himself was hiding there.

It was hardly the spartan cave in the mountains that many had envisioned as Bin Laden’s hiding place. Rather, it was a mansion on the outskirts of the town’s center, set on an imposing hilltop and ringed by 12-foot-high concrete walls topped with barbed wire.

The property was valued at $1 million, but it had neither a telephone nor an Internet connection. Its residents were so concerned about security that they burned their trash rather putting it on the street for collection the way their neighbors did.

American officials believed that the compound, built in 2005, was designed for the specific purpose of hiding Bin Laden.

Months more of intelligence work would follow before American spies felt highly confident that it was indeed Bin Laden and his family who were hiding there — and before President Obama determined that the intelligence was solid enough to begin planning a mission to go after the Qaeda leader.

On March 14, Mr. Obama held the first of what would be five national security meetings in the course of the next six weeks to go over plans for the operation.

The meetings, attended by only the president’s closest national security aides, took place as other White House officials were scrambling to avert a possible government shutdown over the budget.

Four more similar meetings to discuss the plan would follow, until President Obama gathered his aides one final time last Friday.

At 8:20 that morning, Mr. Obama met with Thomas Donilon, the national security adviser; John O. Brennan, the counterterrorism adviser; and other senior aides in the Diplomatic Room at the White House. The president was traveling to Alabama later that morning to witness the damage from last week’s tornadoes. But first he had to approve the final plan to send operatives into the compound where the administration believed that Bin Laden was hiding.

Even after the president signed the formal orders authorizing the raid, Mr. Obama chose to keep Pakistan’s government in the dark about the operation.

“We shared our intelligence on this compound with no other country, including Pakistan,” a senior administration official said.

It is no surprise that the administration chose not to tell Pakistani officials. The United States never really believed the Pakistanis’ insistence that Bin Laden was not in their country. American diplomatic cables in recent years show constant American pressure on Pakistan to help find and kill Bin Laden.

Asked about the Qaeda leader’s whereabouts during a Congressional visit to Islamabad in September 2009, the Pakistani interior minister, Rehman Malik, replied that he “’had no clue,” but added that he did not believe that Bin Laden was in the area. Bin Laden had sent his family to Iran, so it made sense that he might have gone there himself, Mr. Malik argued. Alternatively, he might be hiding in Saudi Arabia or Yemen, or perhaps he was already dead, he added, according to a cable from the American Embassy that is among the collection obtained by WikiLeaks.

The mutual suspicions have grown worse in recent months, particularly after Raymond A. Davis, a C.I.A. contractor, shot two men on a crowded street in Lahore in January.

On Sunday, the small team of American military and intelligence operatives poured out of helicopters for their attack on the heavily fortified compound.

American officials gave few details about the raid itself, other than to say that a firefight broke out shortly after the commandos arrived and that Bin Laden had tried to “resist the assault force.”

When the shooting had stopped, Bin Laden and three other men lay dead. One woman, whom an American official said had been used as a human shield by one of the Qaeda operatives, was also killed.

The Americans collected Bin Laden’s body and loaded it onto one of the remaining helicopters, and the assault force hastily left the scene.

Obama administration officials said that one of helicopters went down during the mission because of mechanical failure, but that no Americans were injured.

It was 3:50 Eastern time on Sunday afternoon when President Obama received the news that Bin Laden had tentatively been identified, most likely after a series of DNA tests.

The Qaeda leader’s body was flown to Afghanistan, the country where he made his fame fighting and killing Soviet troops during the 1980s.

From there, American officials said, the body was buried at sea

Ironically, the distress call: Mayday!

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Detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, had given the courier’s pseudonym to American interrogators and said that the man was a protégé of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

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Maybe that waterboarding was effective after all ? Would this make "torture" worth it ?

Wow. Wouldn't that be something if they find that the info on OBL's whereabouts came from a waterboarding session.

I was thinking the same thing (waterboarding), but not necessarily the "boy, it definitely works!"

I don't really know how I feel about torture. I think you can get useful info, but I think it's just as likely that you get bad info just so you stop the torture.

Does getting one good tidbit outweigh all the bad info you get? I don't know. Maybe. But maybe not.

And, who knows if we got this from waterboarding (doubtful we'll ever find out). We may have gotten it through other measures.

Just because the torture may have worked in this case doesn't mean it should always be ok to use.

JMHO

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No one person can take credit for it. To suggest that would be insane. But Obama gets blamed for things that were set in motion well before he took office, so why can't he take credit for things that fall under those same pretenses? Maybe that does indeed rub people the wrong way but it is what it is. Unfortunately it's just part of the political fabric in America.

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That pretty much sums that up great post!

I agree 100%.

When you're the President, you get blamed for everything that happens. You also get credit for all the good stuff that happens. That's just the way it is.

In the end, I don't care who the President is when it comes to this. I'm just glad the scumbag is dead. I hope this causes Al Qaeda to scramble around and make some mistakes which leads us to destroying even more of its network.

Ok this is great news I didnt think of this.

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U.S. forces also recovered what a senior Intelligence official is calling “quite a bit of material.”

“There’s a robust collection of materials we need to sift through, and we hope to find valuable intelligence that will lead us to other players in al Qaeda," a senior intelligence official said.

The official added a Task Force has been set up “because of the sheer volume of material collected. That material is currently being exploited and analyzed.

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Yeah, I hadn't thought of that, either. I'd love to see some more headlines in the coming days talking about us hitting some of their strongpoints and wiping them out.

that's what I was referring to

In related news, The Islamic Association of Pakistani Goats (IAPG) have released a press statement that "We are relieved for our brother goats in Abbottabad. The monster has been killed and now they can rest easy at night and not worry about nocturnal predations. This was really Abbottabad situation.

The lack of hygeine and lubrication created unsafe and unsanitary conditions and contributed to our brother goats in Abbottabad having nervous and jumpy dispositions.

That takes some serious planning.. but the execution (no pun intended) has to be flawless....

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For Muslims, a reason to rejoiceBy Arsalan Iftikhar, Special to CNNMay 2, 2011 10:12 a.m. EDT
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Arsalan Iftikhar says the global community has reason to rejoice over bin Laden's killing
He says bin Laden, more than anyone, hijacked Islam from godly Muslims
Recent report shows vast majority of al Qaeda's victims are Muslim
Iftikhar: Killing is key to cutting off al Qaeda. Muslims around world are saying "God is great"
Editor's note: Arsalan Iftikhar is an international human rights lawyer, founder of TheMuslimGuy.com and global managing editor for The Crescent Post in Washington.

(CNN) -- Although there has not been much cause for celebration for our global village over the past decade, the world was able to breathe a sigh of relief at the announcement by President Barack Obama of the killing of Osama bin Laden by U.S. special operations forces at a mansion on the outskirts of Abbottabad, Pakistan.

In addition to the vast majority of Americans who are relieved by his death, there are more than 1 billion Muslims around the world who salute the fact that bin Laden's ungodly terrorist mischief has finally come to an end. Simply put, there has been no single person in nearly a millennium and a half of Muslim history who has ever hijacked our beloved religion of Islam more than bin Laden.

"We must also reaffirm that the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam," Obama said during his historic address Sunday. "I have made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al Qaeda slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity."

Muslims have been the greatest numerical casualties of al Qaeda and bin Laden. The Combating Terrorism Center at West Point released a stunning report that said Muslims have accounted for the vast majority of the total number of casualties from al Qaeda attacks between 2004 and 2008 throughout the world.

During his famous June 2009 speech at Cairo University, Obama highlighted the common themes of humanity found within the three major Abrahamic religions. He said that "The holy Quran tells us, 'O mankind! We have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.' ...The Talmud tells us: 'The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of promoting peace.' " Finally, he said, "The holy Bible tells us, 'Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.' ... The people of the world can live together in peace. We know that is God's vision. Now, that must be our work here on Earth."

The death of bin Laden will not be the end of extremism around the world, but no reasonable observer could deny the fact that this mission represented the cutting off of the al Qaeda snake's head.

Although there are certainly low-level franchisees who will try to continue to create havoc throughout the world, the importance of the killing of al Qaeda's godfather on Obama's watch cannot be emphasized enough.

The president was right: Bin Laden was not a leader of Muslims. Myself included, there were many among the 1 billion Muslims worldwide who uttered three simple words when we heard about the official confirmation of bin Laden's death.

Those three words were: "God is great."

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Arsalan Iftikhar.

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Osama bin Laden used women as human shields as American forces fired on him in Pakistan on Sunday, White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan said.

Brennan told reporters at the White House that women were “put in front of him as a shield.” He said that “speaks to, I think, the nature of the individual he was.”

One of the women was bin Laden's wife, Brennan said.

"She served as a shield," he said. "She was positioned in a way that indicated she was being used as a shield."

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could you imagine the last thing to go through OBL's mind

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I think it was "I will hold this woman in front of me then they wont shoot... Oh Shhhhhhh......"