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The navy SEALS and army Delta Force are the two US special ops outfits designed to deal with this type of operation. Not sure how they determine who gets the assignment.




The Air Force's equivalent of Army Special Forces and Navy SEALs...PJs (pararescuemen) and CROs (combat rescue officers) are: highly trained and motivated specialists who endure an incredibly grueling training process to earn the right to wear the distinctive flash on their hard earned beret.

SERE specialists (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) provide effective, realistic training for the PJs and CROs; plan training missions; and serve as subject-matter experts for PJs, CROs, aircrew and other Department of Defense personnel for all Personnel Recovery missions.

All these unit members are organized, trained and equipped to operate day or night in all geographic and environmental conditions, and in environments both friendly and hostile.

No question, the Navy SEALs are the best qualified unit for this type of mission. But there are other elite forces capable of successfully carrying out the operation the SEALs completed last night.

SEALs are capable of going into hostile territory to recover a downed pilot...but the PJs training is more focused on the tactics needed to survive in enemy territory and successfully rescue downed pilots.

Delta Force, SEALs and USAF PJs are "all elite forces" capable of carrying out extraordinary missions. Which unit is used in a given situation comes down to the unit that is best trained to successfully complete the mission.


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The navy SEALS and army Delta Force are the two US special ops outfits designed to deal with this type of operation.




This is an inaccurate statement. Some of us are forgetting it was more than just SEAL team 6 that invaded that compound. Need I remind you:
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U.S. officials said the helicopter raid in Pakistan was carried out by CIA paramilitaries together with the elite Navy SEAL Team Six.




I am assuming that the CIA operatives were out of their Special Activities Group.
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j/c I also want to commend whoever was responsible for not leaking vital intel for once.




Good point. Imagine of the media got a hold of this info before we had a chance to react.


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The navy SEALS and army Delta Force are the two US special ops outfits designed to deal with this type of operation.




This is an inaccurate statement. Some of us are forgetting it was more than just SEAL team 6 that invaded that compound. Need I remind you:
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U.S. officials said the helicopter raid in Pakistan was carried out by CIA paramilitaries together with the elite Navy SEAL Team Six.




I am assuming that the CIA operatives were out of their Special Activities Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Division




No, it's not inaccurate. CIA isn't considered military, and the SEALS/Delta Force are who are called upon for these types of missions. I never said the CIA wasn't involved, but the SEALs did the work on this mission....they killed OBL, they secured the compound, they collected the prisoners, and they gathered the computers and documents found.

Mac mentioned the Air Force PJ's, and their main function is to rescue downed pilots. There are other special ops outfits....the army Green Berets and Rangers, the marine Force Recon etc....but this type of mission goes to the SEALs or Delta Force.


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Ignorance is bliss I guess because evidently you know nothing of the Special Activities Division. They are not technicality part of the military but SAD/SOG officers are selected exclusively from the most elite U.S. military units. They carry out missions like: As the action arm of the NCS, SAD/SOG conducts military direct action missions such as raids, ambushes, sabotage, targeted killings. No they are nothing like a military counter terrorism group. You know that saying if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, and flies like a duck its probably a duck, I think it applies here.

Are really trying to tell me that those CIA paramilitary aka Special Activities Division who went were spectators? In every article I can find it mentions the raid was carried out by both SEAL team 6 and the CIA paramilitaries. Not solely by SEAL team 6. Please show me an article that doesn't credit the CIA paramilitary for conducting the raid also.

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So what is your point? That you have to be right?

Who cares who carried it out. It was done. It was successful.

And, I will add, the seals didn't do it themselves. Yes, the CIA was involved, as was the Air Force, probably the Marines, and probably many others as well (since we know the intel was around and being acted on for the last 6 to 8 months)

Let your ego go - neither you nor I did it - and we will probably never know everyone involved. Big deal.

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Actually our PJs are designed to rescue everybody. I've got a brother in the army and a friend in the USMC, both of them have the utmost respect for our PJs, calling them the best of the best.

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"They are the only members of the DoD specifically organized, trained and equipped to conduct personnel recovery operations in hostile or denied areas as a primary mission ... They are attached to other SOF teams from all branches to conduct other operations as appropriate."

No disrespect the the SEALs and Rangers, but when they get in trouble our PJs get sent in after them.

You are correct that this type of mission would be given to the SEALs or Delta Force.


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Whatever dude its the 2nd line every article that the compound was raided by BOTH the CIA paramilitary and SEAL team 6. I was making a correction to false statement. People are hyping up the SEALs which they should but don't forget about the CIA men who went in that compound as well.

Look its not about being right its about getting the facts straight or is that not important?


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Absolutely, facts matter. And the fact is, every article you or I read changes almost hourly. Plus, you are coming across as "knowing more".

Here's what we do know: It was a joint operation. By joint, I mean SEALS were involved. The CIA was involved. The Air Force was involved. My guess is Marines were involved - probably had some Army as well.

To what extent each was involved - we can't be sure. Probably never will be sure - other than there were a lot involved.

At this time, we are led to believe it was the SEALs that invaded and took out OBL.

Point being - who cares? Why drivel over minutiae when the result was good? I would bet the military isn't arguing about who did what/more - don't you think?

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I have a question why navy seals?
He wasnt on a boat? Are navy seals the elite of our forces?
I would have thought the army would have gone in there.




The operation was time sensitive. In all probability, this team was closest to the target.


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I have a question why navy seals?
He wasnt on a boat? Are navy seals the elite of our forces?
I would have thought the army would have gone in there.




The operation was time sensitive. In all probability, this team was closest to the target.




This mission was planned for some time...in fact, the Seal team practiced on a mock compound, located at a US air base, in the weeks before the operation took place.

For this mission, the Seals were seen as the best suited..best trained for this specific mission, likely the most experienced with real world experience. Also, it is likely that this specific unit had experience working with the CIA, which was also involved.

It was no accident that SEAL team 6 was chosen...they were the team that was trained for this specific mission.

I located this interesting read...


Meet the Navy SEALs who killed Osama bin Laden


The military team that killed Osama Bin Laden is an elite special forces group unofficially called Seal Team 6.

Officially, the team's name is classified and not available to the public, technically there is no team 6. A Tier-One counter-terrorism force similar to the Army's elusive Delta group, Team 6's mission rarely make it to paper much less the newspaper.

It shows how important the publicity about Bin Laden's killing is to the U.S. that this morning, Team 6 is front pages news.

The members of Team 6 are all "black" operatives. They exist outside military protocol, engage in operations that are at the highest level of classification and often outside the boundaries of international law. To maintain plausible deniability in case they are caught, records of black operations are rarely, if ever, kept.

The development of SEAL Team 6 was in direct response to the 1980 attempt to rescue the American hostages held in Iran. The mission was a terrific failure that fell apart at many points and illustrated the need for a dedicated counter-terrorist team capable of operating with the utmost secrecy.

The Team was labeled 6 at the time to confuse Soviet intelligence about the number of SEAL teams in operation at the time. There were only two others.

Team 6 poached the top operatives from other SEAL units and trained them even more intensely from there. Even among proven SEAL's the attrition rate for Team 6 is reported to be nearly half.

There are no names available for current Team 6 members, but the CIA does recruit heavily from their numbers for their Special Operations Group, so it makes sense that they were chosen to work with the CIA on this mission.

Team 6 is normally devoted to missions with maritime authority: ship rescues, oil rigs, naval bases or land bases accessible by water. There are no waterways near Bin Laden's compound.

When a former Navy SEAL was called for a comment about this article all he could say was: "You know I'd love to help you man, but I can't say a word about Team 6. There is no Team 6."

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I just heard a fellow on TV say the average age of the SEAL 6 unit that completed the Bin Laden mission was 38 yrs old.

...no young hot shots for this mission...they wanted the most experienced.



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On that score you are dead wrong ! I assure you that when the tales are told around the campfires of each respective unit involved that each branch wants the other to know who was more important and the only difference will be who is telling the tale. There has always been and always will be severe competition between the branches as there should be

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This mission was planned for some time...in fact, the Seal team practiced on a mock compound, located at a US air base, in the weeks before the operation took place.




In that case, the timing all makes sense now. Obama who was mad that he didn't gtet invited to the royal wedding, launched the attack when he did to take the media attention of the royal couple.


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Actually our PJs are designed to rescue everybody. I've got a brother in the army and a friend in the USMC, both of them have the utmost respect for our PJs, calling them the best of the best.


Find the biggest Baddest SEAL, Green Beret, Delta Force, Ranger, (you name it) out there....and he respects the hell out of the PJ's.

"That Others May Live"

That is one heck of a motto.....and one they take to heart.

The PJ's aren't some all consuming razor edged weapon, poised to strike....and you almost never hear of them. In fact I would bet money that this thread is the first that some of you have heard of them. But they are some of the most highly trained, toughest, bravest people in our military. And the people in our military that REALLY know about training and toughness and bravery....will tell you the same thing. The Maroon beret gets respect in the SOG world.


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The members of Team 6 are all "black" operatives. They exist outside military protocol, engage in operations that are at the highest level of classification and often outside the boundaries of international law. To maintain plausible deniability in case they are caught, records of black operations are rarely, if ever, kept.




Why Team 6? They should be called Team 007.

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The members of Team 6 are all "black" operatives.




Typical liberal media makes this into a race issue.


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WASHINGTON – U.S. officials weighed the pros and cons of releasing secret video and photos of Osama bin Laden, killed with a precision shot above his left eye, as fresh details emerged Tuesday of an audacious American raid that netted potentially crucial al-Qaida records as well as the body of the global terrorist leader.

President Barack Obama is going to ground zero in New York to mark the milestone and remember the dead of 9/11.

White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan said the U.S. already was scouring items seized in the raid — said to include hard drives, DVD's, documents and more that might tip U.S. intelligence to al-Qaida's operational details and perhaps lead the manhunt to the presumed next-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri.

As for publicly releasing photos and video, Brennan said in a series of appearances on morning television: "This needs to be done thoughtfully," with careful consideration given to what kind of reaction the images might provoke.

At issue were photos of bin Laden's corpse and video of his swift burial at sea. Officials were reluctant to inflame Islamic sentiment by showing graphic images of the body. But they were also eager to address the mythology already building in Pakistan and beyond that bin Laden was somehow still alive.

Patience and persistence — characteristics normally attributed to al-Qaida — proved decisive in America's decade-long hunt for bin Laden, whose fate was sealed in 40 minutes of thunderous violence, years in the making.

Obama, who approved the extraordinarily risky operation by Navy SEALs against bin Laden's Pakistan compound and witnessed its progression from the White House Situation Room, his face heavy with tension, reaped accolades from world leaders he'd kept in the dark as well as from political opponents at home.

Republican and Democratic leaders alike gave him a standing ovation at an evening White House meeting that was planned before the assault but became a celebration of it, and an occasion to step away from the fractious political climate.

"Last night's news unified our country," much as the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, did, Republican House Speaker John Boehner said earlier in the day. Obama later appealed for that unity to take root as the U.S. presses the fight against a terrorist network that is still lethal — and now vowing vengeance.

The episode was an embarrassment, at best, for Pakistani authorities as bin Laden's presence was revealed in their midst. The stealth U.S. operation played out in a city with a strong Pakistani military presence and without notice from Washington. Questions persisted in the administration and grew in Congress about whether some elements of Pakistan's security apparatus might have been in collusion with al-Qaida in letting bin Laden hide in Abbottabad.

Brennan asked the question that was reverberating around the world: "How did Osama bin Laden stay at that compound for six years or so and be undetected?"

"We have many, many questions about this," he said. "And I know Pakistani officials do as well." Brennan said Pakistani officials were trying to determine "whether there were individuals within the Pakistani government or military intelligence services who were knowledgeable." He questioned in particular why bin Laden's compound hadn't come to the attention of local authorities.

In an essay published Tuesday by The Washington Post, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari denied suggestions his country's security forces may have sheltered bin Laden, and said their cooperation with the United States helped pinpoint his whereabouts.

As Americans rejoiced, they worried, too, that terrorists would be newly motivated to lash out. In their wounded rage, al-Qaida ideologues fed that concern. "By God, we will avenge the killing of the Sheik of Islam," one prominent al-Qaida commentator vowed. "Those who wish that jihad has ended or weakened, I tell them: Let us wait a little bit."

In that vein, U.S. officials warned that bin Laden's death was likely to encourage attacks from "homegrown violent extremists" even if al-Qaida is not prepared to respond in a coordinated fashion now.

U.S. officials say the photographic evidence shows bin Laden was shot above his left eye, blowing away part of his skull.

He was also shot in the chest, they said. This, near the end of a frenzied firefight in a high-walled Pakistani compound where helicopter-borne U.S. forces found 23 children, nine women, a bin Laden courier who had unwittingly led the U.S. to its target, a son of bin Laden who was also slain, and more.

Bin Laden had lived at the fortified compound for six years, officials said, putting him far from the lawless and harsh Pakistani frontier where he had been assumed to be hiding out.

The only information about what occurred inside the compound has come from American officials, much of it provided under condition of anonymity.

They said SEALs dropped down ropes from helicopters, killed bin Laden aides and made their way to the main building. Obama and his national security team monitored the strike, watching and listening nervously and in near silence from the Situation Room as it all unfolded.

"The minutes passed like days," Brennan said.

U.S. officials said the information that ultimately led to bin Laden's capture originally came from detainees held in secret CIA prison sites in Eastern Europe. There, agency interrogators were told of an alias used by a courier whom bin Laden particularly trusted.

It took four long years to learn the man's real name, then years more before investigators got a big break in the case, these officials said. Sometime in mid-2010, the man was overheard using a phone by intelligence officials, who then were able to locate his residence — the specially constructed $1 million compound with walls as high as 18 feet topped with barbed wire.

U.S. counterterrorism officials considered bombing the place, an option that was discarded by the White House as too risky, particularly if it turned out bin Laden was not there.

Instead, Obama signed an order on Friday for the team of SEALs to chopper onto the compound under the cover of darkness.

In addition to bin Laden, one of his sons, Khalid, was killed in the raid, Brennan said. Bin Laden's wife was shot in the calf but survived, a U.S. official said. Also killed were the courier, another al-Qaida facilitator and an unidentified woman, officials said.

Some people found at the compound were left behind when the SEALs withdrew and were turned over to Pakistani authorities who quickly took over control of the site, officials said. They identified the trusted courier as Kuwaiti-born Sheikh Abu Ahmed, who had been known under the name Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

Within 40 minutes, the operation was over, and the SEALs flew out — minus one helicopter, which had malfunctioned and had to be destroyed. Bin Laden's remains were flown to the USS Carl Vinson, then lowered into the North Arabian Sea.

Bin Laden's death came 15 years after he declared war on the United States. Al-Qaida was also blamed for the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 224 people and the 2000 attack on the USS Cole that killed 17 American sailors in Yemen, as well as countless other plots, some successful and some foiled.


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I wonder if they released the birth certificate ahead of this to get the reaction of "he shouldn't be releasing that / pandering to the crazies" reaction that he got. I wonder if there would be more clamoring for death photos had he not done that.

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This mission was planned for some time...in fact, the Seal team practiced on a mock compound, located at a US air base, in the weeks before the operation took place.




In that case, the timing all makes sense now. Obama who was mad that he didn't gtet invited to the royal wedding, launched the attack when he did to take the media attention of the royal couple.



And then they cut into Trumps show the Apprentice to make the announcement, then don't make the announcement for another hour.


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I wonder if there would be more clamoring for death photos had he not done that.




Probably not... there are (presumably) the same number of crazies now as there were last week.



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I wonder if they released the birth certificate ahead of this to get the reaction of "he shouldn't be releasing that / pandering to the crazies" reaction that he got. I wonder if there would be more clamoring for death photos had he not done that.




I remember PDR saying a week ago that he probably released the birth certificate info as a way to cover up something else that was going on ... well now we know.

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