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Joe. You have a 30 year old DLinemen. If you don't show him out last year, then you STILL need to draft a dlinemen next year (or maybe this year) becuase of our need. Rogers wasn't making or breaking the dline unit ... and he won't be around long enough for us to hit playoffs anyway.

PLUS .. if the salary cap is reinstated in the next CBA .. I don't want to pay him the money we could have spent on a bernard berrian, sidney rice, paul posluzny, or a ray edwards ... when he might be back to old form, but then again he could be on the downside of his career and done.

Assuming that we take Carimi this year, we still need a DTackle next year.

Besides ... who's to say Carimi WAS the best rated tackle? Maybe our officials had him as a late second rounder for all we know?

But I feel like your main point is that we drafted Taylor BECAUSE we dumped Rogers. Even if we had Rogers on the roster at the time, we might still have drafted Taylor.

If he was the BPA then we better still have drafted him.

You think the Steelers reach on a corner when they have needs in their secondary? NOPE. They take playmaker on a stout defensive line.

Just because Carimi could have been nice as a Brown ... it doesn't mean he was a good fit OR that he was the best option available. Personally I would have liked to see Sergio Kindle drafted as a pass rusher for us last year ... but in no way do I think he would have been a better pick than TJ Ward. And I don't argue that we drafted ward just because we let Brodney Pool walk. We drafted Ward because he's a good football player.

Same with Taylor. Whether or not we cut Rogers doesn't imply we draft Taylor.

Rogers was only signed for a base salary of $2.5 million with other incentives with the Saints. And it's only a one year deal.

Exactly.

Roth wants to be a starter at OLB in a 3-4 defense. Why would he stay to be a backup DE in a 4-3? It just makes no sense to even suggest it.

Every post you say we should have kept Rogers. Every post you also neglect to mention that he was making way too much money.

Sure it would be nice to have Rogers. But at a cheap price.

roth is now regarded as the #1 run stuffing 3-4 OLB in the game today. He will make a lot of money and we may get a pretty good compensatory pick for him.

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hey for my money I gamble Rogers has another year and get carimi.

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I feel like you've said this before.

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Like Not letting go our fb and handing the job to a kid.

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Fullback is one of the easier positions to fill in the league. Owen Marecic is probably one the most well equipped players to play his first year, letting Vickers go will not be a big deal.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/124149004.html

Browns Q&A with Dick Jauron
Browns defense must be tough and physical
Coordinator outlines the plan and the obstacles

June 19,2011 06:30 AM GMT
Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal sports writer

As a former player and head coach in the NFL, Dick Jauron can fully appreciate the importance of preparation.

Unfortunately for Jauron and the rest of the Browns' new coaches, the NFL's lockout has prevented them from getting ready in several ways. In a recent phone interview, Jauron discussed what he would like to accomplish as the Browns' defensive coordinator and the obstacles he'll need to overcome.

Q: Which characteristics do you want to define your defense?

A: We really need to step up and be a very tough and physical team, not only throughout the whole league, but particularly in our division. It's a division that has a personality. All three of our competitors are physical teams. Pittsburgh has had so much success. Baltimore has had so much success. And in the past, Cincinnati has had success. They're physical football teams, and we need to embrace that, not that they haven't in the past. Historically, this is a tough place, a tough place to play, a tough football team, so that's what we've got to be.

Q: What challenges do you expect to encounter as you guide the team's conversion to a 4-3 defense?

A: There are challenges. There's no doubt. The personnel mix is different. The numbers are different. There's a lot of significant differences. It'll take some work.

Q: How much more difficult is it to switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 during a year with a work stoppage?

A: There's no way to dance around that one. It's gonna make it more difficult for everybody. For new [coaching] staffs, definitely more so. We don't know our [players]. We haven't had a chance to spend time with them in the offseason program. We haven't had a chance to
introduce our defense. Normally, when you go to training camp, it's the second or third time you've introduced it. You've gone through it. So it presents a challenge.

Q: Phil Taylor and Jabaal Sheard were obviously drafted to join tackle Ahtyba Rubin on your four-man front. What do you like about them?

A: I guess we'd start with the fact that they both are very physical players and talented. Phil is clearly a much bigger guy. Phil is our interior lineman. He can play either the three-technique or the one-technique or on the nose — he can play a zero-technique. We think he's a very talented guy. We liked the attitude that he showed on the field in college. When he played, he played hard, and you've got to have that. So he's got size. Not only does he have the size to hold up in our division, but he's got talent to go with that size.

Jabaal was the same kind of player, just faster and not as big, a 260- to 270-pound defensive end. We loved the way he played the game [in college]. He came off the ball, chased the ball all the time, hit the ball carrier. He was a high, high effort player and a tough player who had skills on the edge. So we're really excited to get those two guys.



Q: Do you need to add another starting defensive end once free agency begins, or could Marcus Benard convert from a 3-4 linebacker to fill that role?

A: At this point, it could be anybody really because we haven't seen them, except on tape. I think if you asked [General Manager] Tom [Heckert] or coach [Pat] Shurmur or [President Mike] Holmgren, they'd tell you we always want to add quality players at any position, and quality big guys are no different. They're hard to find.

Q: Can you assess what you have at linebacker?

A: We're really happy with, I would say, the front three, the starting three, the veteran three with Scott [Fujita] and Chris [Gocong] and D'Qwell [Jackson]. Kaluka [Maiava] got hurt, but I remember him coming out of college. I really liked him as a player. I thought he was very productive as a player. The front three, we're depending on those guys, really, to play like the veterans they are and play like they have played and hopefully stay healthy.''

Q: And the secondary?

A: [Cornerback] Joe [Haden] and [safety] T.J. [Ward], I really like what they have done here. In their first year, they really played hard, played smart, showed toughness. We're excited about the upside there. [Cornerback] Sheldon [Brown], of course, knows how to play. He's played for a long time. He's always been productive, so that's a good thing. . . . And then the rest of the secondary, we're just gonna have to wait and see when they come in and see how we piece it in, see what happens in free agency. There's a lot of guys that have played in either backup or starting roles that we've seen on tape that we like, but we'll just have to see how it shakes out in training camp and then in preseason.

Q: What should fans expect to see from your defense?

A: We'd love to be a balanced defense, so by that, I guess, generally you'd say some kind of middle-of-the-field open defense a third of the time, some kind of middle-of-the-field closed a third of the time and then some kind of pressure about a third of the time. Now that's a generalization, but you've got to pressure. You've got to get to the quarterback. You would love to be able to get to every quarterback just rushing four. Obviously, you would love to get there if you could ever get there just rushing three, but you can't do it. The teams are too good in protection. The quarterbacks are too good. So you've got to do things to keep them on edge as much as you can, particularly the top-level quarterbacks. It's not an easy thing to do, so that's how you've got to kind of mix it, at least theoretically, going in. If you're gonna be known for anything, you probably want them to believe that you're gonna pressure more.

I think we've had more interviews from Jauron than Shurmur.

Q: Do you need to add another starting defensive end once free agency begins, or could Marcus Benard convert from a 3-4 linebacker to fill that role?

A: At this point, it could be anybody really because we haven't seen them, except on tape. I think if you asked [General Manager] Tom [Heckert] or coach [Pat] Shurmur or [President Mike] Holmgren, they'd tell you we always want to add quality players at any position, and quality big guys are no different. They're hard to find.

Sure sounds like they are looking to add a starting DE via free agency. Seems like Benard questions are being avoided by both Jauron and Shurmur. Can't remember Heck giving an answer to that question either.

I hope we test Bernard out. I really think he could be a nice addition or at least the first backup in case of injury or just for rotation at the DE.

That being said ... I don't want to think about our opening day DLine being 2 rookies, a converted situational linebacker, and a blossoming but still young player with the first backups being 32 year old Robaire and then the rest are unknowns.

A few bodies with experience would be great and they don't even need to be studs in my opinion... just guys to play their part.

I am sure we will give Bernard a look.

I am also sure we will look for help along the D-line once some sort of FA period opens.

I am not sure we will find much except a band-aid or two, but we sort of knew that was going to be the case this year with the switch in format. It's probably going to take at least one more draft of selecting a couple of D linemen in the first five picks to build the stable.

Once rosters are set, I would scour other teams practice squads for defensive linemen....especially teams that have a solid defensive front. Somewhere on those 31 other teams is bound to be at least 1 player who can step in here and make a positive contribution.

I'm pretty confident that we will experience some growing pains with our two rookie D linemen, not unlike with TJ and Haden on the back end last season.
We have a plethora of NT types on our roster and we may find one who can spell Rubin and Taylor, but finding base down DE's on our roster might prove futile, but Brian Sanford is really better suited to our new 43 then he was in our 34 last year and he could surprise. At 6'2" and 280 lb I think he fits the mold of a LDE in our new defense.
(is it obvious that I am high on this youngster)

We already know what Benard brings to the table as far as a pass rusher and he should be in the mix there even if he doesn't start at DE.

We really helped ourselves get a good start with the new look defense by taking Taylor and Sheard one and two in this years Draft and I feel a lot better about that group then I did before the Draft. It's a work in progress, but I like the mind set of Heckert in addressing the DL the way he did (even though we knew it was a must). That has not always been the case with this team in the past.
I can see no evidence to the contrary that suggest that we will not continue to try and improve that group whenever FA begins again.

Rubin and Taylor give the browns the stoutest interior they have had in a very long time. If they can find another to provide a good 3 man rotation, the D may actually do something seldom seen from the Browns and that is stop the run.

I like the idea of Sheard on the strong side and Benard on the weak side. Sheard is really good at playing the run and has such strong and violent hands (something he and Taylor have in common is the strong and violent hands. I believe Benard can be a 12 plus sack guy a year and Sheard has the potential to hit double figures as well.

Benard needs to improve against the run but he isn't bad against the run. Sheard needs to work on that initial burst, if he can speed that up just a little bit he can be a force.

I think Heckert will make a serious run at Kiwi. Someone he is very familiar with due to the 2 games a year in the Giants Eagles rivalry.

Then you go to linebacker and I hear the praise for Fujita, Gocong and DQ but this may be the most wide open positions on the entire team and a long way from being settled. We may attack the positions this year via FA or may just wait till next year with what I expect to be a terrific group of Jauron type linebackers, great coverage, run to the ball, solid tackling small speedy linebackers.

As for secondary, I want Wright to stay and really believe the kid can play. He just lost his confidence with the dumb idea of moving into the slot on 3rd downs which totally messed his brain up. He got out of rhythm and it cost him every single drop of confidence the kid had. I think to many have forgotten, the kid was regarded as one of the better young up and coming corners in the league before last year's meltdown.

Sheldon, I just see him as more of nickel or dime DB at this stage. I dont think he has the range to be a free safety. Maybe one of the youngsters can step in but Whitner looks like a lock.

Calling Alex Hall...

As I understand it, Hall's problems wasn't so much on the field but in between his ears. He didn't want to listen to coaching.

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I like the idea of Sheard on the strong side and Benard on the weak side. Sheard is really good at playing the run and has such strong and violent hands (something he and Taylor have in common is the strong and violent hands. I believe Benard can be a 12 plus sack guy a year and Sheard has the potential to hit double figures as well.

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Funny you should mention their 'hands'.
This is one of the reasons
I'm pretty high on Brian Sanford and he might also be an option to move down to tackle on obvious passing downs.

Sheard, strong side, weak? side? I don't really care where he lines up for us. He had to play out of position in College. He had the best 10: split at the combine for DL, his 1st step is pretty good, so he has the tools to work with in this area of his game.

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Then you go to linebacker and I hear the praise for Fujita, Gocong and DQ but this may be the most wide open positions on the entire team and a long way from being settled. We may attack the positions this year via FA or may just wait till next year with what I expect to be a terrific group of Jauron type linebackers, great coverage, run to the ball, solid tackling small speedy linebackers.

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I remember reading a post of a story recently where Kaluka Maiava was pumped about the opportunity to play the Wil in our new defense. We could use a veteran 43 LBer or two in FA, but for the most part I think we will have to go with the guys we have and at this point it's all a mystery even to the Coaching staff, so it's most defiantly wide open.

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As for secondary, I want Wright to stay and really believe the kid can play. He just lost his confidence with the dumb idea of moving into the slot on 3rd downs which totally messed his brain up. He got out of rhythm and it cost him every single drop of confidence the kid had. I think to many have forgotten, the kid was regarded as one of the better young up and coming corners in the league before last year's meltdown.

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I have always said and I believe that Eric Wright has the tools to be one of the top cover corners in the League.
His hitch in his giddy up has been straight between the ears.
One thing that can work in his favor is this defense will be less taxing on our corners as in the 34 and I think his team mates and Coach believe in him.

As for secondary, I want Wright to stay and really believe the kid can play. He just lost his confidence with the dumb idea of moving into the slot on 3rd downs which totally messed his brain up. He got out of rhythm and it cost him every single drop of confidence the kid had. I think to many have forgotten, the kid was regarded as one of the better young up and coming corners in the league before last year's meltdown.

Sheldon, I just see him as more of nickel or dime DB at this stage. I dont think he has the range to be a free safety. Maybe one of the youngsters can step in but Whitner looks like a lock.

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I forgot how wright was switched to the slot and how poorly he adjusted to covering big physical receivers. He was bleeding confidence so badly that by Midseason he was a shadow of his former effectiveness> I hope we can rehab this kid as he showed real talent before.

You're not gonna answer the question I posed twice to you within this thread????

May I...????...

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The browns, minus Ryan, Roth, Rogers will not fare so well

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Ryan I understand. But Rogers and Roth (Rogers especially) had a minimal impact last year. Both of them are unimportant parts of our future team.

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Hmm Rogers was instrumental with blocked field goals that were the margin of victory in several games.

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Can you list those "several" games for us please?

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