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there is no Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, John Wall, or Derrick Rose in this draft. a player that is believed to be a slam dunk elite NBA player with elite athleticism to match elite skill. maybe Irving develops into one, but that belief isn't there predraft like it was in most of the previous drafts.

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How many games did Griffin/Rose/Howard and Wall play?

Compared to an Irving...

I know what u r saying...Irving could be exactly what the rest were had he played as a Fresh...This will be a we will see thang...But u cannot pass on what is the #1 talent in the entire draft...And IMO Irving is FAR & AWAY the best talent in this class...#2 isn't even close...

I agree Irving is the most talented player in this class by far. We should not pass him up.

In regards to his 'prospect level' he's thought of more as a Chris Paul with not quite elite athleticism but makes up for it with great vision and ball control. If he ends up even 80% of Chris Paul, I'm sure none of us will complain.

We don't need a Kobe or LeBron. We need solid players that will be the core of the team for the next decade.

I'd be ecstatic if we end up with a Chris Paul and a Tim Duncan.

considering Tim Duncan can arguably be called one of the top5 players to ever play in the NBA, yeah I'd take that

lol, yes... but when people rattle off names of "super stars", his name isn't one of the first ones thrown out there.


He's just an absolutely solid upper-echelon professional - year in and year out... and that is what we need two or three of.

very true. and he is likely to be one of the few guys to stay on one team his whole career.

heck, this year, he just accepted that he wasn't the main guy anymore and let the guards do most of the work. never heard a complaint or anything (sure, it helps that the team was winning, but Duncan doesn't seem to be the type that would complain unless it was eye-bugging at a perceived bad ref call)

Ytown The first shoe deal for one of those top rookies will probably be worth more than he will ever make in the NBA. You need an agent to get the right deal.

no-logo Kanter has that Duncan pure love of the game. I hope he goes to Cleveland because after Lebron, Cleveland needs him. I am not a Cav fan, hell not much of an nba fan in general but Irving and Kanter would give the Cavs not only the best PG and best center in this years draft but also 2 kids of the highest quality. No Lebron type ego involved.

The Clippers own Minnesotas 1st rounder next year.

jc...

What about revisiting the trade with Detroit to acquire their #8, and then package the 4 and the 8 for the #2?

You would give up a lot more money by not having an agent than by giving them 3-5%

*sigh*

Not if you do it the way I said. It would cost you nothing, and would save you a lot ... unless you think that you have to bribe someone to handle your endorsements.


If I'm not mistaken, some NBA players have already gone this route, because their salary was already maxed out and it made no sense to pay someone to do what was already pre-determined. They still have a representative handling their endorsements and other aspects of business, like charitable considerations and such.

I would much rather use our 1 and 4, and use the trade exemption to get a really productive guy like Andre Iguodala. He put up really solid numbers last year .... 14 PPG, 5.8 RPG, and 6.3 APG from the SG position. He's got excellent height as a SG at 6'6", and is a really solid defender.

We have a gaping hole at SG, and desperately need to plug it. If we don't re-sign Parker, we really won't have a SG on the roster.

Looking at the Cavaliers roster, when we get our injured guys back, we'll still have big holes at SG and SF. Maybe Eyenga will develop into a starter quality SF, but other than him we have Gee and Graham. Gee's a decent player ... and a useful player, but he's not a starter. Graham really wasn't much of anything last year. Of course, we had a gigantic void to fill there without much time to do so after James played the "Prime Time Screw You" Decision Garbage on ESPN.

If we don't make a trade for someone like Iguodala, who is available at SF/SG that could help us out? It seems to me that there are a lot of teams who will definitely not be looking to add much payroll, so the Cavaliers could wind up in the drivers seat for some players. Who is a free agent, or might be available at those 2 spots, who might be a good fit for the Cavaliers? With the extra draft picks we have in this year's 2nd round, and the extras coming from the Heat in future years, we should have some ammunition for a sign and trade, or even an outright tradeif someone wants to cut payroll. I just don't know who would be solid players to pursue .... but i do knnow that we really need help at both the SF and SG spots .... and are highly unlikely to find either in the 1st round.

Alec Burks (SG) and Kawhi Leonard (SF) are 2 guys that could be there at #8 at those positions.

After the late season run the 76ers had, they would be destroying their fanbase if they traded Iggy. He may have been on the block early in the year, but he really turned up his game and was not on the block around the trade deadline and I would be surprised if he was now.

Same as Rudy Gay who the Grizzlies owner came out and said was not going to be traded.

And, really, the last thing the Cavs need this offseason is a seasoned vet like those guys that will inflate our win total next year. It would be better to end up in the high lottery again and get someone like Harrison Barnes to fill that void at SG. Again, why getting a youngster to learn with the other youngsters is a better plan as they will all have growing pains and result in a worse record in the short term (IMO). The Thunder didn't win many games in Durant's first year as an example.

finally, the Cavs have $55mil on the books for next season, so the FA route is pretty much off the table unless the new CBA has the MLE in it still. even then, it would likely be a huge mistake as to get a decent player to come to a rebuilding team through FA we would have to overpay by quite a bit.

The salary issue is big, especially when Dan Gilbert is one of the owners negotiating the new CBA and pushing for a hard cap.

as it stands now, cap space means nothing to me anymore, i think the cavs like a lot of other small and mid markets are better off getting a big contract like we have with jamison and davis, and trading it mid-season. we aren't going to attract big free agents. especially after what happened last summer.

if the cap goes hard? game changer.

As far as the #8 spot goes, I hope they're considering trying to get Detroit's 2012 #1 for absorbing Hamilton's contract and not another guy in this year's draft.

Yes, i know there may be a lockout and yes I understand that we don't know who will be in that draft.

I don't think Detroit would give up their 2012 pick though I do hope that's what we initially ask for as well.

Also, there's been a bit of talk about another amnesty clause in this CBA (similar to 2005) where you can 'forgive' one contract against the cap but still have to pay their salary. Wonder if that affects Detroit's or our thinking about said potential trade.