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I'm going to try this......leaving pairs of shoes all over with dry ice in them. That ought to freak out the folks who believe the rapture is tomorrow.

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USA Today: WE'RE DEAD

The Wall Street Journal: DOW JONES PLUMMETS AS WORLD ENDS

National Enquirer: O.J. AND NICOLE, TOGETHER AGAIN
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Playboy: GIRLS OF THE APOCALYPSE

Microsoft Systems Journal: APPLE LOSES MARKET SHARE

Victoria's Secret Catalog: OUR FINAL SALE

Sports Illustrated: GAME OVER

Wired: THE LAST NEW THING

Rolling Stone: THE GRATEFUL DEAD REUNION TOUR

Readers Digest: 'BYE

Discover Magazine: HOW WILL THE EXTINCTION OF ALL LIFE AS WE KNOW IT AFFECT THE WAY WE VIEW THE COSMOS?

TV Guide: DEATH AND DAMNATION: NIELSON RATINGS SOAR!

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America Online: SYSTEM TEMPORARILY DOWN. TRY CALLING BACK IN 15 MINUTES.

Inc. magazine: TEN WAYS YOU CAN PROFIT FROM THE APOCALYPSE

Microsoft's Web Site: IF YOU DIDN'T EXPERIENCE THE RAPTURE, DOWNLOAD SOFTWARE PATCH RAPT777.EXE.See More

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Yay Im still alive....

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..jc..

Harold Camping has "wrongly" predicted the end of the world before...Sept. 1994. I'm sure he does not like to talk about that swing and a miss moment.

But I have to hand it to the old fella...this time he found a way to milk this prediction for months...

May 21, 2011 is not the day the world ends...it is the beginning of the end...May 21, 2011 is "the first day of the Day of Judgment" according to Harold Camping.

....according to Camping, "October 21, 2011" will be the end of the world !

So, for those who worry about stuff like this...this time, it looks as though there is "process" involved, lasting 5 months.

Any idea how many have predicted the end of the world?...check this out...

A Brief History of the Apocalypse web page

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I am totally about to get raptured today!!!!

Wait a minute.

OMG---I'm still here.......why am I still here.........unless...

Oh NOOOOOOO

No

NO

NO...

WHY GOD WHY.......

Oh the Humanity.......

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i can't believe people passed this post up...

love your posts Tyler. freaking outstanding!

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In conclusion I hold that the second coming cannot occur until the "beast" is revealed,

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That one's easy......Donald Trump......

Ask and ye shall have answers......

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In conclusion I hold that the second coming cannot occur until the "beast" is revealed,

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That one's easy......Donald Trump......

Ask and ye shall have answers......

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Now, I would have thought Obama fit that billing quite nicely!

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Have you ever seen "The Apprentice"? Nope, it's Trump......

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I often wonder if the antichrist knows he is the antichrist. Does he have free will to not be the antichrist. Can he change?

Cuz I think most anyone would seek some kind of psychiatric treatment if they found out that they were the antichrist.

The antichrist is a man, so he has free will, so can't he change, or neglect his responsibilities--whatever they happen to be for a modern day antichrist?

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Those are actually excellent questions. Actually the Bible doesnt directly answer those questions, but there are two possible answers.

First, I would say that the antichrist, if he is entirely human, would have a free will. He would have the ability to decide to follow a path of good or evil, yet he will unquestionably choose evil. The fact that the Bible states that his destiny ahead of time does not mean that he is without responsibility. There are two theological principles that I think apply here.

1. God foreknows all things. He has perfect knowledge of everything that will happen. Every theist believes this except for Open Theists, but open theism contradicts numerous Biblical passages.

2. God's foreknowledge is not causative. In other words, God knows everything before it happens, but that knowledge does not imply that God caused it to happen. That's where freedom comes in.

Secondly, there is another possibility based on certain passages of scripture that are even more frightening. The Bible says that the "beast" will rise to power, and suffer a fatal wound. It will appear that he dies and is resurrected, then all the world will marvel. It could be that the antichrist will become fully possessed by satan at some point. If you study the Bible, you will see that satan always seeks to mimic God. He creates his own religions, builds his own kingdom, seeks worship, performs false miracles, creates false prophesies, etc. Also, just as there is a Holy Trinity, ( Father, Son, and Spirit) there is an unholy trinity, ( satan, antichrist (or beast), and false prophet). It appears that satan will mimic the resurrection, ( though it will be a false resurrection).

Satan's only goal in the beginning was to usurp God. Now that he stands condemned of heavenly treason, his goal is to drag as many souls down with him as possible.

http://youtu.be/KubgMDSMXfI

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1. No one can know the day or the hour of Christ's appearing.

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3. There is a period of 3.5 years mentioned in the Bible repeatedly,variously described as (times a time and a half a time), 42 months,and 1,260 days . During this time the Bible indicates a world ruler will declare Himself God and demand worship ( Revelation 13:1-8). He will persecute both the Jewish people and the followers of Christ of every nation, Jew and non-Jew. ( see Revelation 12) At the same time, faithful witnesses will prophesy against him ( Revelation 11:3-13). Each of these events is said to take place during a three and a half year period, This period is called the Great Tribulation.

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1. No one can know the day or the hour of Christ's appearing.

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Yes, that is what the Bible says but how realistic is it? I mean, at any given second, given hour, any given day, there is some Christian in the world who is convinced tomorrow Christ will appear. If it does happen, at least one person will be right. Now, that doesn't mean they "know for sure" per se, but someone is going to be sure in their head. And man, talk about bragging about being right....I truly hope it's not any certain folks on this board

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3. There is a period of 3.5 years mentioned in the Bible repeatedly,variously described as (times a time and a half a time), 42 months,and 1,260 days . During this time the Bible indicates a world ruler will declare Himself God and demand worship ( Revelation 13:1-8). He will persecute both the Jewish people and the followers of Christ of every nation, Jew and non-Jew. ( see Revelation 12) At the same time, faithful witnesses will prophesy against him ( Revelation 11:3-13). Each of these events is said to take place during a three and a half year period, This period is called the Great Tribulation.

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This one is even FAR less likely, given today's culture. There won't be any such thing as a "world leader" that everyone would follow. Can you imagine the tabloids and how Fox News/MSNBC would rip this person apart? Seriously though, there is far too much divide amongst opinions between nations and people within those nations to even remotely allow something like this to happen. No one is going allow persecution of Christians, Jews, non-Jews, etc on a global level. We are just too connected as a society. This isn't ancient times anymore where an individual can rise to such a high degree of power as prophesied without checks and balances.

We can't even decide to keep the McRib on the McDonalds menu or not. There is no possible way that a "beast" will rise up to lead all of man into "lawlessness".

And besides, if someone did come to have that kind of power, wouldn't there be at least one person screaming on his blog or FB page "Hey guys...good chance this is the anti-Christ"? And then this person would promptly be disposed of by Navy Seals Team 6, I'd have to imagine.

I like the stories and lessons from the Bible, I truly do. But just as I can't take Genesis literal, I can't take these passages literal either. It's just not realistic.

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1. No one can know the day or the hour of Christ's appearing.

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Yes, that is what the Bible says but how realistic is it? I mean, at any given second, given hour, any given day, there is some Christian in the world who is convinced tomorrow Christ will appear. If it does happen, at least one person will be right. Now, that doesn't mean they "know for sure" per se, but someone is going to be sure in their head. And man, talk about bragging about being right....I truly hope it's not any certain folks on this board

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3. There is a period of 3.5 years mentioned in the Bible repeatedly,variously described as (times a time and a half a time), 42 months,and 1,260 days . During this time the Bible indicates a world ruler will declare Himself God and demand worship ( Revelation 13:1-8). He will persecute both the Jewish people and the followers of Christ of every nation, Jew and non-Jew. ( see Revelation 12) At the same time, faithful witnesses will prophesy against him ( Revelation 11:3-13). Each of these events is said to take place during a three and a half year period, This period is called the Great Tribulation.

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This one is even FAR less likely, given today's culture. There won't be any such thing as a "world leader" that everyone would follow. Can you imagine the tabloids and how Fox News/MSNBC would rip this person apart? Seriously though, there is far too much divide amongst opinions between nations and people within those nations to even remotely allow something like this to happen. No one is going allow persecution of Christians, Jews, non-Jews, etc on a global level. We are just too connected as a society. This isn't ancient times anymore where an individual can rise to such a high degree of power as prophesied without checks and balances.

We can't even decide to keep the McRib on the McDonalds menu or not. There is no possible way that a "beast" will rise up to lead all of man into "lawlessness".

And besides, if someone did come to have that kind of power, wouldn't there be at least one person screaming on his blog or FB page "Hey guys...good chance this is the anti-Christ"? And then this person would promptly be disposed of by Navy Seals Team 6, I'd have to imagine.

I like the stories and lessons from the Bible, I truly do. But just as I can't take Genesis literal, I can't take these passages literal either. It's just not realistic.

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Your point is that society will not allow something like the "Beast" to happen, but you forget that a mere generation ago millions of people were following Adolph Hitler while he was killing 6 million Jews, and that was with millions of God fearing people on the earth. Ok, so the whole world didnt follow Hitler, and we took him out, but millions did follow him, and the antichrist will be much more deceptive and will have supernatural power that Hitler could only dream of;

Besides this, the antichrist or beast will come in as a man of peace in the beginning, and he will appear to be the greatest man that ever lived.

Thirdly, a judicial blindness and hardening will come upon the earth, because of man's rejection of Christ. See the scriptures below.

2:Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity already works: only he who now restrains will restrains, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Notice something is withholding the beast from coming. I believe that this refers to the restraining hand of God in the person of the Holy Spirit. God restrains evil in this world. It looks like mankind or society is restraining evil, yet is actually God's restraining providence that is keeping us from being as evil as we can be. Once God lowers His restraining hand, and leaves us to our own devices, the world will see the result of a society without God.

God is holding the storm back. That's why we have a semblence of normalcy. Study the history of man's inhumanity to man and you will see how far humankind is capable of going.

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There will never be a rapture because the word rapture is not in the bible. At the end of time we will meet Jesus in the air and that will be it. There will be NO people left behind to suffer on earth. You don't understand Revelations anymore than I do but I believe it describes events that have already happened not a prediction of things to come. Look at the things described in Revelations , no one agrees about what they mean because they are way out there events. I have read the Bible starting in the early 90s and I have never understood where people come up with the hell on earth period where the evil must endure for some length of time.
Just like the 1000 yr. reign or the
144,000 elect of God that will be saved (gonna be alot of people left out )

Revelations is the most difficult book of the Bible to understand. Talk about twisting the Scriptures. Just listen to someone that professes to understand it. The problem most people have with the Bible is they go to Church occasionally and listen to what the preacher tells them and they forget he is just a man just like you and I. You don't have to be a preacher to understand the Bible you just have to read and reread it for a lifetime and even then it won't qualify you as an expert.

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Just a question, do you think what Ive said in these posts is twisting the scriptures? If so, please indicate the places where you think I am twisting the scriptures. If you think they are too numerous, just list a few.

Did you see my recent post about the proper word for the rapture is "harpizo", which you will find in 1 Thessalonians 4, and my view of the 144,000?

I get the impression from your post that you are of the amillenial or postmillenial persuasion. Is this correct? Forgive me if I am wrong. Most importantly, I rejoice to know that you are a fellow believer!

Now regarding the position of no literal millenium, I can tell you that I once held that position as well. What caused me to change my mind on that was not a preacher, because my pastor strongly preached against the thousand year reign of Christ. What changed my mind was passages like Daniel 9 and Romans 11. Hint: what does Romans 11 say will happen after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in? Also, in what sense is Jesus sitting on the throne of His father David? I know He is the head of the church, but the Bible also refers to Him as the King of Israel.

The crux of the issue is the nation of Israel. Many hold, wrongly I believe, that the promises to Israel in the Old Testament were transferred over to the church, and that the Christian church has replaced Israel as God's chosen people. I strongly disagree with this teaching. While the Christian church shares in the promises to Israel, the promises to Israel still stand for them, and they will be fullfilled when she comes to recognize her Messiah. The problem with replacement theology, besides the fact that it does not recognize God's everlasting love for Israel, is that it also allegorizes the numerous Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messianic Kingdom.

When the apostles asked Jesus if He would "at that time restore the kingdom to Israel" in Acts 1 He did not correct them by saying the kingdom would not be restored, He merely said that it was not for them to know the time or season when these things would be fullfilled. Just as it is not for us to know when the Lord will return or when the world will end, ( shame on you, Harold Camping). This is why I believe there will be an earthly reign of Christ that will occur after the parousia of Christ.

I cannot provide an exhaustive systematic explaination of this view, but I am sure you know which Old Testament prophecies I am referring to.

From one believer to another, God bless

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The word rapture is not in the Bible, but the word "harpizo" is in the Greek New Testament. Harpizo means to snatch up, catch up, or to snatch away. Please refer to the scripture below.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.

The 144,000 seem to refer to a number of Jews that will be converted to faith in Christ during the great tribulation. Their description does not seem to indicate everyone that will be converted during that period. In order to see this you would have to read the passages in Revelation where they are mentioned. I' m not able to look them up at this time, because Ive got to go somewhere, but theyre in Revelation

Blessings

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The word rapture is not in the Bible, but the word "harpazo", ( I misspelled it by one letter, is in the Greek New Testament. Harpizo means to snatch up, catch up, or to snatch away. Please refer to the scripture below.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.

The 144,000 seem to refer to a number of Jews that will be converted to faith in Christ during the great tribulation. Their description does not seem to indicate everyone that will be converted during that period. In order to see this you would have to read the passages in Revelation where they are mentioned. I' m not able to look them up at this time, because Ive got to go somewhere, but theyre in Revelation

Blessings

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please show me in Scripture above where the word harpizo is. Why don't you read your own Scripture. Will be caught up in the air with the Lord. What does that have to do with the supposed events that are suppose to take place with the Antichrist. Please don't quote Scripture. I've read the Bible. You're not showing me anything new when you quote. I've got 6 versions of the Bible on my phone. 4 versions hard copy and Harpizo is not in it.

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I don't want to turn this into an argument between Christians. First of all the word harpazo, ( I misspelled it by one letter) is an english transliteration of the Greek word that spells arpazo with a rough breathing sound, so it is pronounced harpazo. The english renders it "caught up".

I fully understand what you are saying, you don't believe that the "catching up of believers" is a separate event from the second coming. Am I correct? I fully respect this view, and the difference in opinion between you and I is pretty much a non-essential.

In essentials unity, in questionable things liberty, in all things charity...

I'm sorry I didnt understand your statement at first, I did not read carefully. I thought that you said that there would be no rapture at all, which would mean that believers would never be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. It is my fault. I should have read more carefully.

My only point was that the word rapture is based on the latin translation of the Greek word "arpazo", I wrongly typed it arpizo. The rough breathing mark is like an "h" which is why I spelled it harpizo, ( along with the dreadful "i". )

The only thing that matters in the end is that we agree that Jesus is coming back, and we don't know when that will be, and that we need to be ready. By the way, the only thing the rapture has to do with the horrible events described in Revelation is that if you believe that these are future events and if you believe in the Pre-trib "catching up", then we won't be here when these terrible things happen. I know Christians often disagree with these interpretations, but these distinctions, I believe, are non-essential as well. If we disagree on this type of issue, it does not mean that one of us is a "heretic".

The fine details of eschatology are not an issue that will determine our eternal state.

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Then we which are alive (5723) and remain (5742) shall be caught up (5691) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be (5704) with the Lord.
epeita hmeiv oi zwntev (5723) oi perileipomenoi (5742) ama sun autoiv arpaghsomeqa (5691) en nefelaiv eiv apanthsin tou kuriou eiv aera; kai outwv pantote sun kuriw esomeqa. (5704)

arpaghsomeqa= arpazo- (caught up)+ meqa- (we will be- future tense, first person, plural).


God bless.