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Much has been said about the WCO and how it is used. Much has been debated about how Hillis and Hardesty fit the system, etc. This link recently came to my attention and thought I would share it here. It goes in to great detail about the WCO and how it is supposed to operate. For you football junkies, it might be a good link to save for future reference. http://www.centuryinter.net/midway/chris/westcoast/wco.pdf
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I don't know what WCO means.. but before looking at the link, I thought it was a lot of:
1) Shotgun
2) 3/4/5 WR sets..
3) Plays designed for the HB to catch and run
4) Slants, Curls, and Outs
now let me see how wrong I was.. lol.
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You dont need to run the WCO out of the shotgun, and you really don't necessarily need 4 or 5 WR all the time.
Basically, the WCO uses a short passing game where any eligible position can be the receiver, and that is spread across the field as opposed to a passing game that runs vertical routes with 2 or 3 players. It spreads the defense out full width across the field to try and create gaps that the defense cannot cover, and is designed to allow receivers to get lots of YAC.
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Thanks, Peen, good stuff. 
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Oh dear, not another year of this offense. 
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Oh dear, not another year of this offense.
what offense did you think Holmgren was going to have us run?
thanks 'Peen for the link.
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Worked well for the 9ers in the 80s and a bazillion teams in the 90s onward. The last team to attempt the 7step drop oriented vertical passing game which you espouse was the '06 Raiders. They scored a whopping 10.5 points a game, and were 30th or lower in almost all offensive categories.
I'd say give this approach a try, vs. whatever we have had recently. It surely wasnt WCO.
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That's more like a combination of the spread and west coast offense.
Note that the Packers, Falcons, Eagles and Texans are run variations of the WCO. Some of the best offenses in the NFL there.
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Oh dear, not another year of this offense.
It is so much better to have a quaterback go 6/20 for 210 yard with 1 TD and 4 INTs. That seems to be the only offense you would want.
Chuck it deep and hope something happens!
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Thanks, Ballpeen. Looks like you don't need to run the middle three times first to throw it long. Crazy notion that! I am saving up to buy the paper it will take to print this. Did Colt send it over or did you just find it? Great stuff, because I never ran this, but I can see bunches of wrinkles. Kinda got the shivers just looking at more pass routes than I have seen in the last three seasons.
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Damn...67 sheets...lol...
Good stuff...It should also explain exactly why we took Cameron...
2 TE sets will be huge...And many times Jordan will be off the LOS...This kid should be huge on 3rd down...
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It's pretty much someones playbook, though probably old....but then again, teams have been running the same plays for 50 years
I thought some of you would like it....I know I did and saved it so I can go back and keep digesting..not to learn it by any means, but when I find something interesting, I give it some study....I have nothing better to do until I hit the course around lunchtime.
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it was appreciated and made me go dig up where the WCO-blocking sheet that I had found at one point. for any interested: http://www.coachteed.com/freedl/position.htmlClick "Offensive Line" Click "Multiple West Coast Offense" It brings up a 52 slide PPT.
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I agree
What the hell were the Packers thinking last year?
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Another year of Hiilis up the middle? Some of those 67 pages gotta work, just by sheer probability of numbers! Not another year of our last two seasons. Sting 'em and get them out of the box more!  
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and I highly suggest this as a great read. what to look for in a QB and how to develop a QB written by Bill Walsh. very intriguing stuff in there (nothing mind-blowing, but that's sort of his point. don't overthink things) http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp-con...ills%201977.pdf
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Thanks for the link there Peen. seems I might have read it before, but you are right saving for future reference is always a good idea
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" Worked well for the Packers last year"
That argument means nothing to me, because though I can't prove it, and I won't dare accuse it,
I beleive the Steelers, or some of them, tanked, threw, or lost on purpose that game in February.
It is not something I'm going to try to defend or discuss furthur, I sure can't prove it, it is just what I beleive I observed, and I'm not about to change my thinking on that game anytime soon.
The point of writing that is to show how little that argument that the WCO worked for the Packers against the Steelers means to me.
All I can do is watch the games ( if they play) and hope the Browns stretch the field, I may not like the wco, but what choice do I have.
I'm not trying to start a discussion on that game, and won't discuss it any more have a nice thread.
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I beleive the Steelers, or some of them, tanked, threw, or lost on purpose that game in February.
Please tell me I just misread this. 
This may be the silliest thing I have EVER read on here.
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yea.. the Steelers don't tank games... They have too much pride.. especially @ that level.. no way.. 
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I agree
What the hell were the Packers thinking last year?
lol, candy!
And it's funny cuz it's true.
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" Worked well for the Packers last year"
That argument means nothing to me, because though I can't prove it, and I won't dare accuse it,
I beleive the Steelers, or some of them, tanked, threw, or lost on purpose that game in February.
It is not something I'm going to try to defend or discuss furthur, I sure can't prove it, it is just what I beleive I observed, and I'm not about to change my thinking on that game anytime soon.
The point of writing that is to show how little that argument that the WCO worked for the Packers against the Steelers means to me.
All I can do is watch the games ( if they play) and hope the Browns stretch the field, I may not like the wco, but what choice do I have.
I'm not trying to start a discussion on that game, and won't discuss it any more have a nice thread.
 and some people wonder why they aren't taken seriously on here. They played at a high level all year just to get to the Superbowl so they could tank it? I've read some stupid stuff but that might take the cake.
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Who wonders? I haven't read his posts for anything other than humor in years.
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Who wonders? I haven't read his posts for anything other than humor in years.
He is either a 10 year old, a lunatic, or someone who just wants attention. I can't figure out which one.
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Who wonders? I haven't read his posts for anything other than humor in years.
He is either a 10 year old, a lunatic, or someone who just wants attention. I can't figure out which one.
I think people post stuff like him for attention. They get a psychological rush when people respond to them.
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Gimme a break! I'm trying to change hearts and minds, your argument holds no water, because the Packer offense didn't overcome the Stealers, and the outcome of the game like I said, I'll just refer you to my previous post. The WCO was not demonstrated to be superior by the outcome of that Superbowl. The only ones I hope read my posts are the organization, because they have the power to change the future decisions of the team. 
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The WCO was not demonstrated to be superior by the outcome of that Superbowl.
how did they get to the superbowl?
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The WCO has been proven to be a very effective offense.
So has the Patriots style offense.
And numerous variations on many themes have worked as well.
In the end, players make far more of a difference to what happens ion the field that the offense design does. Good players help win games. Bad players help lose games. It is important to make sure that a player's abilities and skills fit the offense (or defense, for that matter) but many talented players can win in many different offensive iterations.
If we don't upgrade our offensive personnel, we can run any offense we want and it won't matter.
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Walsh and company believe that this system will succeed with even only decent talent.. thats the difference.
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You put a "decent" QB on Green Bay's team and maybe you get to the Super Bowl ..... and maybe you don't.
They also had a tremendous scoring defense.
The 49'ers were blessed to have back to back Hall of Fame QBs. That's not "decent" talent. lol
You can get by without a tremendous RB in some WCO systems ... but you better off-set them with great TE and/or WR play.
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J/C my favorite debate ever. i don't have a valid argument (like the fact that GB goes deep much more than a typical WCO, etc). so, let's just make up a completely baseless rumor that has no merit in anything
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Looks like GB is going to have back-to-back hall of famers as well.
Just wanted to point that out.
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It's amazing how good teams tend to find great players though. If you have a great QB, you can surround him with a great team ..... and also allow your young backup plenty of time to develop. When it's his time to take over, he steps into a team still able to compete and win. When is the last time we had that team, let alone QB? 
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Walsh and company believe that this system will succeed with even only decent talent.. thats the difference.
Easy for a guy to say,who just happens to be HC of a team loaded with probowlers and future HOF'ers.
I'm probably wrong about this,but the only "decent" superbowl winning WCO QB I can thing of is the Bucs Brad Johnson,I'm sure thwere's more.
BTW,GB's offense is much closer to a spread than the WCO.
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Easy for a guy to say,who just happens to be HC of a team loaded with probowlers and future HOF'ers.
I'm probably wrong about this,but the only "decent" superbowl winning WCO QB I can thing of is the Bucs Brad Johnson,I'm sure thwere's more.
BTW,GB's offense is much closer to a spread than the WCO.
fair enough on GB now though its a spread-WCO. but, Montana, Young, and Favre may be a bit upset being lower on the totem pole than Brad Johnson.
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I believe that's what he's saying. He's saying that most of the WCO QB's that have had success have been "Great" QBs not just decent.
Here's the list of the WCO Super Bowl QBs
XVI - Joe Montana
XIX - Joe Montana
XXIII - Joe Montana
XXIV - Joe Montana
XXIX - Steve Young
XXXI - Brett Farve
XXXII - John Elway & Brett Farve
XXXIII - John Elway
XXXVII - Brad Johnson
XL - Matt Hasselbeck
XLV - Aaron Rodgers
The only two on that list that aren't GREAT QB's is Hasselbeck and Johnson.
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I think you are in luck.....I couldn't sleep last night and around 2 a.m. I looked at who was browsing the board and I saw a new user called "WalrusDawg" perusing your posts.
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Ok, if that's the case, then my fault for reading one post out of context.
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I'm sure Walrus and Shurmur are having a conference call with Al Davis right now, learning the ways of the vertical passing game! 
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