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KirkHerbstreit, Robert Smith, Jesse Palmer, and Urban Meyer discuss Tressel and his Buckeyes http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6556886Can the Buckeyes still make a run at the national title? I like to think they can but that may be the homer in me. If we get past Miami it should be interesting.
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I would predict there ain't gonna be no Title Run after the NCAA levies its beatdown in August.
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9-3 season and a trip to Orlando seems likely.
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And I doubt Ohio State even gets a bowl game at 12-0. We're gonna be on big time probabtion of some sort. I can handle the loss of scholarships to a degree, but no TV and no bowl game is what I see coming.
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Can the Buckeyes still make a run at the national title? I like to think they can but that may be the homer in me. If we get past Miami it should be interesting.
No way do I see OSU having any shot at the NC, even before sanctions. I think they will lose a game that the players and Tressel will be gone for, and then they play Nebraska for their first game back, and I think they lose that game as well.
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And I doubt Ohio State even gets a bowl game at 12-0. We're gonna be on big time probabtion of some sort. I can handle the loss of scholarships to a degree, but no TV and no bowl game is what I see coming.
I don't think we get our sanctions until after the season, which will actually make them worse (since it will drag out this season and then whatever the sanctions are going to be)
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even if they get through the 5 games without a loss, asking your team, who will be just getting everyone together to go into lincoln and beat nebraska is a tall order. almost unfair.
if they do though, they'll be in the NC.
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even if they get through the 5 games without a loss, asking your team, who will be just getting everyone together to go into lincoln and beat nebraska is a tall order. almost unfair.
if they do though, they'll be in the NC.
For sure, it's not Wisconsin, Penn State, Illinois, and Michigan even have a chance...... 
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well Michigan doesn't 
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This thread is for all you homers, of which I am not one.. so I just stopped in to say hi and see what was going on.. 
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well, we just started denigrating Michigan. you are welcome to pile on there if you wish.
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Michigan is behind in terms of talent. With Hoke and Mattison there now, I fully expect the defense to improve dramatically this year though. I'm not expecting Top 10, but I fully expect Top 30.
Michigan has the offense, and they actually have talent on defense, but it is young talent and was thrown into a horrible scheme.
Michigan should start to close the gap in talent starting next year too. they already have 12 commits for the next season and most are on defense, with a ton of linebackers.
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Guys.... Guys
Are we forgetting that we are discussing THE Ohio State University?
Greatest college football program ever
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National Championships
Heisman Trophy Winners
College football legends
NFL legends
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If there is one thing that history has taught us, its that we should never doubt the ability of Ohio State's football program.
People said we couldn't beat Miami back in '02 - we did.
People said we couldn't beat Oregon in Jan. 10- we did.
People said we couldn't beat a team from the supposedly superior SEC - we did, and proved that conference supremacy belongs to the Big 10.
There is no doubt in my mind that we will thrash Miami in the same manner that we did last year.
We will also welcome Nebraska to the best conference in college football with a beat down. - Similar to one we gave Arkansas last year.
Our off-field transgressions mean only one thing: Terrelle Pryor will not win the Heisman trophy this year. - And this is a darn shame because he would have won it unanimously - similar to the way Troy Smith did back in 06-07.
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Are we forgetting that we are discussing THE Ohio State University?
Greatest college football program ever
Home of multiple:
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Heisman Trophy Winners
College football legends
NFL legends
Coaching legends
If there is one thing that history has taught us, its that we should never doubt the ability of Ohio State's football program.
People said we couldn't beat Miami back in '02 - we did.
People said we couldn't beat Oregon in Jan. 10- we did.
People said we couldn't beat a team from the supposedly superior SEC - we did, and proved that conference supremacy belongs to the Big 10.
There is no doubt in my mind that we will thrash Miami in the same manner that we did last year.
We will also welcome Nebraska to the best conference in college football with a beat down. - Similar to one we gave Arkansas last year.
Our off-field transgressions mean only one thing: Terrelle Pryor will not win the Heisman trophy this year. - And this is a darn shame because he would have won it unanimously - similar to the way Troy Smith did back in 06-07.
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I think we still out class Miami in talent and coaching WITH all the losses for the game. If we get by Nebraska then there should be no stopping us.
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I think we still out class Miami in talent and coaching WITH all the losses for the game. If we get by Nebraska then there should be no stopping us.
it seems everyone is writing teams off, especially Wisconsin. Does no one remember last year? They should be the team OSU is most worried about.
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Jim Tressel was shown to have known via email that players sold gold pants a year or so before the Ncaa found out the players sold gold pants.
When the Ncaa found out the players sold the gold pants, the players were still eligible to play in the bowl game.
So I can't hold Jim Tressel in any way guilty because that would be demanding him to suspend his top players for something that the NCAA did not even do, before anyone else even brought the subject up, and at the start of a big ten season also.
I don't know what happened with tattoos, I don't follow this kind of story because the idea of NCAA compliance is so beyond reason.
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Wisconsin will be tough, especially with their running game but it is in the shoe this year and they have a new QB.
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and a new OL. they seem to grow OL on trees up there, but you never know what you are getting breaking in a new OL as Carimi and Moffit have been staples on that line. Oglesby is still recovering from his ACL tear and Konz has always had problems with his ankles. Wagner did a fair job taking over for Oglesby last year, but can he man the LT spot?
I think the Badgers will be tough, but I also don't think they will replicate their 11-2 season.
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Jim Tressel was shown to have known via email that players sold gold pants a year or so before the Ncaa found out the players sold gold pants.
When the Ncaa found out the players sold the gold pants, the players were still eligible to play in the bowl game.
So I can't hold Jim Tressel in any way guilty because that would be demanding him to suspend his top players for something that the NCAA did not even do, before anyone else even brought the subject up, and at the start of a big ten season also.
I don't know what happened with tattoos, I don't follow this kind of story because the idea of NCAA compliance is so beyond reason.
Tressel was required by a signed statement to tell the NCAA of any and all violations he had knowledge of and he didn't. Doesn't matter if they were his star players or if it was the 3rd string long snapper.
I agree that the NCAA messed up by allowing the players to play int he bowl game, but that doesn't excuse Tressel for sweeping it under the rug, they lying directly to the NCAA's face multiple times.
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I agree Tressel messed up for not report these minor offenses, but its nothing that doesnt go on at other schools. Saban for Alabama still refuses to open up the books to show exactly how many kids are on scholarship. I dont see how that gets swept under the rug. Along with Auburn/Newton last year(his family was soliciting his talents to schools) and Florida the year before with the eye gauging incident. A 5 game suspension for selling items that are your personal belongings, but half game suspension for intentionally trying to make someone go blind???.... I just dont see the fairness when it comes to the NCAA and dealing with the SEC as compared to other conferences and schools.
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I agree Tressel messed up for not report these minor offenses, but its nothing that doesnt go on at other schools. Saban for Alabama still refuses to open up the books to show exactly how many kids are on scholarship. I dont see how that gets swept under the rug. Along with Auburn/Newton last year(his family was soliciting his talents to schools) and Florida the year before with the eye gauging incident. A 5 game suspension for selling items that are your personal belongings, but half game suspension for intentionally trying to make someone go blind???.... I just dont see the fairness when it comes to the NCAA and dealing with the SEC as compared to other conferences and schools.
But that has nothing to do with OSU. Others schools don't matter, and if they are caught doing illegal things, they should be punished just as severely.
And I am really tired of the "it was their personal belongings" arguement. The players are told and know they can't sell that stuff, and it is very clear as to why. They broke the rules intentionally, and their coach lied about it, so both should be punished.
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I don't use the "personal belongings" argument either. It is extremely character-weak. If a Michigan player sold his "gray" pants, I would be pretty ticked off. It's not that they sold their gold pants, it's that they received "improper" benefits therefore. It's a load of crap because no other student(s) of the 70,000 that go there were punished for similar offenses, no ?
The issue, as it pertains to this matter, is that it shouldn't be an issue only at Ohio State. Because the NCAA obviously does not police every school's athletic program equally DOES make "the-other-schools-do-it" argument valid to a degree. I would take this lame coverup with Tressel any day over some of the real crap that goes on at other institutions.
And if Tressel were to lose his job over the pending August outcome, I would have been going hard after Pat Fitzgerald, except that he is a true Northwestern guy and just signed a new deal.
To me there's a huge diffrence between just knowing everyone is on roids, and say, perhaps talking boosters into providing them,....
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I don't use the "personal belongings" argument either. It is extremely character-weak. If a Michigan player sold his "gray" pants, I would be pretty ticked off. It's not that they sold their gold pants, it's that they received "improper" benefits therefore. It's a load of crap because no other student(s) of the 70,000 that go there were punished for similar offenses, no ?
The issue, as it pertains to this matter, is that it shouldn't be an issue only at Ohio State. Because the NCAA obviously does not police every school's athletic program equally DOES make "the-other-schools-do-it" argument valid to a degree. I would take this lame coverup with Tressel any day over some of the real crap that goes on at other institutions.
And if Tressel were to lose his job over the pending August outcome, I would have been going hard after Pat Fitzgerald, except that he is a true Northwestern guy and just signed a new deal.
To me there's a huge diffrence between just knowing everyone is on roids, and say, perhaps talking boosters into providing them,....
Like I said, if other schools are doing it, and I know some are, I hope they get caught and punished.
As far as getting improper benefits, again, the players knew the rule and didn't follow it. It is a pretty simple rule that players can't get benefits that others don't have the opportunity for. By selling gear only they get, then that is the benefit.
And Tressel is in hot water because he knew about it, then hid it, then lied about it. If he knew, then turned it over, he wouldn't have been punished at all. But instead he lied multiple times. That isn't any better than setting it up himself.
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The issue, as it pertains to this matter, is that it shouldn't be an issue only at Ohio State. Because the NCAA obviously does not police every school's athletic program equally DOES make "the-other-schools-do-it" argument valid to a degree.
I don't doubt for a second that the NCAA knows things go on and most schools and doesn't do much to dig for it. But once something is brought to light, we see it every time, all of the sudden all sorts of things start coming up as the NCAA starts digging.
That is what happened here. I do not believe for a second that Ohio State was, in any way, unfairly singled out by the NCAA. Something happened that opened the door and once the door is open the NCAA is going to dig... they have done it to many schools before and will continue to do it.
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Yes, they were not "unfairly" singled out. Nobody questions the fact that Tressel was playing the game. The fact that you have to - to win - stinks to high heaven and that it is allowed to go on anywhere is crap. Someone else will be next.
I don't believe Tressel will lose his job though. That is what is at issue now for most Buckeye fans.
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Yes, they were not "unfairly" singled out. Nobody questions the fact that Tressel was playing the game. The fact that you have to - to win - stinks to high heaven and that it is allowed to go on anywhere is crap. Someone else will be next.
I don't believe Tressel will lose his job though. That is what is at issue now for most Buckeye fans.
You don't have to "play the game" to win. That is a load of crap. Tressel wasn't "playing the game" when he lied to the face of the NCAA. He was trying to cover up violations that he knew about. Simple as that.
And again, things go on at a lot of places, but cheating and lying isn't required to win.
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The whole world cheats and lies to win. Simple nature. Not good, but it's going on all around us.
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The whole world cheats and lies to win. Simple nature. Not good, but it's going on all around us.
It does happen, but it isn't required. It isn't "playing the game" as you put it. Cheating and lying are simply cheating and lying.
The second we become Ok with college athletes and coaches cheating and then lying about it, that is the second that college sports cease to exist and it becomes the biggest jopke around.
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I'm not defending OSU on this one as I think they were wrong. And I think the NCAA was wrong for even letting those guys play in the Sugar Bowl. The NCAA has proven that if they need you to make money, you will get a slap on the wrist. But, if they have already made their money on you, then you will get punished.
So, after a year where the NCAA said it was okay for Cam Newton to keep playing despite his Dad admitting wrong-doing in his recruitment, how is the NCAA not a complete joke already?
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Yes, it is not "required." And nobody's justifying it. But it is the normal standard, with few exceptions. The difference in my personal outlook on it is, that because it is the norm, I won't be jumping all over any other school when it happens to them.
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Yes, it is not "required." And nobody's justifying it. But it is the normal standard, with few exceptions. The difference in my personal outlook on it is, that because it is the norm, I won't be jumping all over any other school when it happens to them.
Well, I don't believe that it is the "normal standard." Maybe I am naive, but lies and cover-ups are simply too hard to keep straight for them to be the norm. And again, the second we are OK with lying and cheating being the norm, then we are Ok with the extinction of amateur athletics.
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This whole thing is like a bad dream.... 
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yep, but that just means better days will be ahead. the Cavs have the #1 and #4 picks, the Indians are the best team in MLB, and the Browns have a hopefully stable FO with a dedicated plan of action.
so, this time next year we might be talking about Braxton Miller being everything that we hoped Pryor would be (on and off the field) and the fact that Michigan still can't beat the Buckeyes.
gotta go through the valleys to get to the mountaintops afterall.
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yep, but that just means better days will be ahead. the Cavs have the #1 and #4 picks, the Indians are the best team in MLB, and the Browns have a hopefully stable FO with a dedicated plan of action.
I guess under the umbrella of "you can't have everything" it only stands to reason then that the Buckeyes, who have been the one constant over the last 10 years, should pick this time to get in trouble.
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I wanted extremely -- and was successful -- to not call anyone naive, and I am sticking to that -- because I used to be. This mostly boils down to old age disease, and with time I have become accustomed to, and discovered the "process." Notice I did not say accepting.
While we are far from amatuer athletics becoming extinct, I would say we are well past the point of being OK with lying and cheating in order to succeed as a norm (perhaps a little too strong a word.) As such, I feel it obvious that even the NCAA picks and chooses what it legislates,...our politicians do it, our CEO's, our mortgage brokers, our grocers, our teachers, our lawyers, our softball league umpires,....and the list goes on.
I am dead sure there are those who wish Tressel would or could just be hung in Trafalgar Square and completely stripped of his existence. But those in power -- the money mongers -- probably will not let that happen. And even if it did, they will just bring in another and let him make them big money until he hangs himself too.
When a Jim Tressel sinks to a level beyond that acceptable that LOSES MONEY, then they will indeed cut his nuts off. Just my opinion.
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yep, but that just means better days will be ahead. the Cavs have the #1 and #4 picks, the Indians are the best team in MLB, and the Browns have a hopefully stable FO with a dedicated plan of action.
I guess under the umbrella of "you can't have everything" it only stands to reason then that the Buckeyes, who have been the one constant over the last 10 years, should pick this time to get in trouble.
but 2007 everything was so close to the trifecta and even super-trifecta if I count Buckeye football.
wins away from championship that season:
Browns 5 (1 regular season, 4 playoff)
Indians 5 (1 ALCS, 4 WS)
Cavs 4 (NBA Finals)
Buckeye FB 1 (NC game)
definitely the best all-around sporting year of my fan life. and most frustrating all at the same time 
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2002 was good,...I didn't do the Cavs and Tribe research, but the NC game (Miami) and the Browns playoff (having the Steelers IN PITTSBURGH by the short hairs) that weekend was pretty fun,....
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the Tribe was falling apart and the Cavs were submarining their team so that they could draft LeBron.
but, 2 out of 4 sure ain't bad (especially when one is the only championship team I have ever cheered for in my life)
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