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Never have I loved a post on here as much as these past few from you. Props.
Congrats to Tribe fans. Would love nothing more than to see a Reds Indians World Series some day.
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My only point was you have a very good reason why you weren't at the game today, for many others there were different reason. It Irks me a bit when people who are out of town get on a high horse about people who aren't going to the game. Have I ever been to a Cleveland Pro Sports event? Only too many to count. Browns,indians,Cavs,Force,Crunch,Lumberjacks,Barons,Monsters. I was at Muni in 90 for playoff win over Bills, I was at Muni the night Canseco had the ball bounce off his head and go over fence. I was at CSU to see Crunch win a title. I saw a Florida game at the Swamp, that counts as pro sports,right? 
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I would hope we all agree on this one! How sweet that would be!
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I would hope we all agree on this one! How sweet that would be!
Definitely.
I would go to 1 game in Cincy and try like hell to get to 1 in Cleveland.
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I would hate to be a team needing a win in Cleveland right now. The Indians are really, really, really tough to beat at home. 18-4 at home .... with 2 of those losses being the 1st 2 games of the year is just amazing.
I agree.
Too bad on a beautiful Sunday afternoon, with the best record in baseball, against a good in state team from the other league, the stadium was at best half full.
This Dolan crap gets old.
You better start supporting the team by buying tickets.
What are you talking about? It was a nice crowd today. Had over 30k on Friday and sold out yesterday. The crowds are fine and will be even better once school is out.
Even in 2007 the Indians didn't start drawing crowds until after the NBA Finals were over. At least this time we don't have that to worry about.
Loved the sweep.
ROLLTRIBE!
I watched 5-6 innings at Wings, and it looked like a lot of empty seats to me.
The upper deck was empty.
The upper deck has seats in it where you can't even see the right fielder. I wouldn't sit there for free, let alone pay for them.
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Picky picky, I've sat there many times and they aren't that bad. The only time you can't see the play is if the ball is hit in the corner.
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Your opinion is noted and recorded,...but there ARE seats in right field where you can't see the RF'er BEFORE the ball is even hit. I've sat in them and it is not good.
I'm just sayin' that if that's all that's available, I ain't paying for it, and it is no surprise to me that a 41K stadium isn't full.
When you pay for my tickets, I won't be "picky." In the meantime, don't blame me if it wasn't a sellout.
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Oh come on, no need to be so defensive. 
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'Peen, don't forget that this is our first stretch of good weather in weeks. While riding my bike around the neighborhood, I saw people maintaining their yards, playing with their kids, etc. - doing things they have not been able to do over the last few weeks due to the rain.
My wife and I have gone to two games already, and would have gone today but we didn't have a sitter for our 2.5 year old. However, we plan on going Tuesday night, and because Wednesday's game is at noon and I have that day off, I may fly solo to that one.
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i kind of agree that the crowds at jacobs er progressive need to be better, but i also agree with muni that the indians have had pretty horrible luck with weather, you can literally count on one hand how many nice days to come out to the ballpark there have been.
i'm of the opinion that the crowds in the mid to late 90's were incredible, but that was also a perfect storm of events, the new ballpark, the young group john hart put together, the browns being gone and the cavs being mediocre, and the economy better than it is right now.
i think baseball was meant to not sell out the stadiums. to me, you and your buddies, or family, or whomever should be able to walk up to the gate, buy a ticket, and watch the game. that is what baseball is all about. in the 90's it was event that you basically had to plan for in the winter/spring, because the games were always sold out.
while those 455 consecutive sellouts were amazing, it also probably priced out a lot of fans.
but i do agree that the crowds at progressive could be better, i think between 30 and 40 should be expected once the nice weather hits, and with this group getting better.
i said it once on this board before, and you can disagree with me, but i think the town as a whole, from the perspective of being sports fans, is still a bit stung from lebron and the decision. that didn't just sting the cavs fans, it stung the whole city.
while the browns "sell out" their games, actual attendance beyond the first month isn't all that great either.
i'm kinda tired of the attendance smack though, from other teams' fans. I mean nobody is bagging on some of these other cities with their no-shows. crap, beyond opening day, the white sox have done a pretty bad job with attendance. and they were supposed to have the best team in the central, maybe even in the entire AL. and chicago's market is huge compared to cleveland, even if you cut it in half because majority of people here are cub fans.
they'll show. and regardless of attendance, people in cleveland are talking tribe, which is very important.
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You said it though.
You.
No one else.
If you're looking to blame someone, take a hard look at the man in the mirror.
Maybe it would be easier for you to go hang out at a different board where they haven't had to watch you spew the same crap over the course of the past couple of years only to now act like Paul on the road to Damascus. (Minus the repentance, of course) Heck, if you were to repent and say "Hey, I was wrong, and these guys are doing a great job", then someone might take you seriously. But for you to act like you've been a staunch supporter of this team ...... defending moves made, and backing the jobs done by front office and manager types alike is ridiculous at best, and a lie at worst. You lambasted this team, and every move and hire they have made, for the better part of 3 years. You have left, or threatened to leave to be a Yankees fan at least twice that I can remember.
If you can't stand people calling you on your BS, then you shouldn't post ...... because you've established yourself as the kind of guy who will conveniently forget everything you've ever said if circumstances change. You will get your own crap thrown back in your face when you act like that.
I don't blame Ammo for the anti-Dolan rants, Fans are allowed to support a team and hate the owner..You did miss the original posts where he switched to be a Yanks fan. I believe it had something to do with a girl?
As to coming clean. This reminds me of BPG. He use to be like Ammo but worse. After growing up some he acknowledged that he said some really stupid things. Je isn't here anymore which is a shame because I liked how he matured yet still had an edge.
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i'm of the opinion that the crowds in the mid to late 90's were incredible, but that was also a perfect storm of events, the new ballpark, the young group john hart put together, the browns being gone and the cavs being mediocre, and the economy better than it is right now.
Agreed, and to add to that, the players we had on those teams were some of the best at their positions. Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, were all the best overall players at their positions. Then take a look at Kenny Lofton, Sandy Alomar, Carlos Baerga, Robby Alomar, and Omar Vizquel. - All in the top three at their positions.
Granted, the Indians look good right now, but they haven't been given enough national recognition. When they do receive more attention from the national media via all star voting, prime time tv, etc. more people will show up to the ballpark.
Lastly, yeah, I agree that he trades of Sabathia, Cliff Lee, and Victor Martinez, upset some fans. However, as the wins pile up, these fans will return.
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Albert Belle and Manny Ramirez were among the top offensive players at their positions, but were average defensively. Neither possesed a great throwing arm, although they were certainly average in that regard. Belle had double digit errors a couple of times during his stay in Cleveland. Thome was a fair 3B, but never a great defensive player. He had 15 or more errors 3 times, and his range was hardly impressive to begin with.
What we had was a team that was strong defensively up the middle. We had Alomar, Omar, and Lofton. (even though Lofton also didn;t have the strongest arm) We had a great offensive team ..... and enough pitching to get by. Until Mesa imploded, we also had a great bullpen.
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Poor old Reds
With this 3 game sweep the Tribe takes the series lead 37 to 35
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Congrats to the Tribe and their fans on the sweep. (with the exception of you-know-who, and I won't go there since he (ammo) was already taken to the woodshed quite nicely.) First 2 games were good ballgames, that atrocity yesterday was just a train wreck! DawginDayton-- You done fell and bumped your noggin again. Please stop or at the least explain what you meant in the first place, which you have already been shown that you can't. GO REDS!!!
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I saw a Florida game at the Swamp, that counts as pro sports,right?Naa....just semi-pro...you have to look towards Columbus for pro's  My only point was 27K isn't a good crowd on a perfect day for a team leading baseball. It wasn't to chastise people who had reasons for not going.....maybe just prodding those a bit who had no reason not to go. Sorry if my last post had a sharp tone....as I get older I sometimes get a bit crotchety. All's good.
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j/c Tribe get their 7th sweep of the season. Would love to see the Reds in the WS, hopefully they fulfill their end of the bargain  no Hafner, no Sizemore, White going to the DL, Carmona struggling, Talbot not off the DL yet - and the Tribe keeps on winning. That's what has been so good this year is that we haven't had the perfect storm of health and schedule. We have had injuries and while our schedule has been weak, the better teams we have faced, we have beaten and/or competed tooth and nail with (stupid Angels). hopefully all this good will continues because we are entering a brutal stretch before the allstar break here.
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You mean roll Yankees...right? Or have you switched again? You complain about bandwagon fans and from my perspective certainly starting to look like one.
I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about.
There's a reason I don't come around much anymore. This board is internet Siberia, I swear to God.
People are talking about how the last few years, and especially a time where you trashed the owners and team, then became a self declared Yankees fan, and now that the Indians are playing well, you jump back on the bandwagon and become the biggest Indians fan around.
I honestly hate the Indians, but I hate bandwagon fans more, which you are. The reason I hate the Indians is because of the bandwagon fans in my hometown, who when I was younger, never cared a lick about baseball until the mid-90's when Cleveland made the playoffs every year and then the whole damn town was claiming to have been fans for years.
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Tribe get their 7th sweep of the season.
Would love to see the Reds in the WS, hopefully they fulfill their end of the bargain
no Hafner, no Sizemore, White going to the DL, Carmona struggling, Talbot not off the DL yet - and the Tribe keeps on winning. That's what has been so good this year is that we haven't had the perfect storm of health and schedule. We have had injuries and while our schedule has been weak, the better teams we have faced, we have beaten and/or competed tooth and nail with (stupid Angels).
hopefully all this good will continues because we are entering a brutal stretch before the allstar break here.
It really is amazing how these guys just keep going. Everytime you want to write them off, they just show up in a big spot and keep it going.
I don't want to make any wild predictions, because these guys are so young, and right now, so beat up, but it seems like they have the baseball gods looking over them.
Every team has a bad stretch, where they lose 4 or 5 in a row, or 7 of 10, something like that. Let's see how these young guys deal with it, when it does come.
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that's the other thing. after that west coast swing with the As and Angels and then getting our 'breather series' with the Ms rained out, I could have seen the team going through one of those swoons. instead, they came out and swept the (at the time) 2nd place Royals. white sox continue to be a thorn in their side, no swoon, nope just go and sweep (at the time) 1st place Reds.
I agree they will likely actually hit the skids at some point of the year and it'll be interesting to see them dig out of it. But, it sure looks like they can as they don't seem to have a memory of what happened the day before. Or heck the innings before. They just come to play and don't stop playing. It's fun.
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I just hope the swoon isn't against Boston, Tampa, or New York.
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I guess we shoulda known that these guys have a short memory. They were down 14-0 on opening day and still fought to and put 10 runs on the board. Kind of symbolic of the season. They get punched in the face and get back up to fight.
I just hope the front office isn't satisfied with the results. If there is a player out there who is available and can boost this team even more, you have to do it.
They look really good now in the grand scheme of a 162 game season, but once you get down to a series where you face the same team 4-7 times, a player you grab or don't grab at the deadline could be the difference in that series.
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well, if it has to be one of those, I'd prefer Tampa (to help keep them above the other two)
and I assume you are referring to our upcoming schedule:
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Only Minn is below .500 on that list.
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it's way too early. way too early.
but, if we had to face the Angels in the playoffs, I'd be terrified. Weaver + Haren 4 times in a 7 game set is deadly. We have Masterson, Tomlin, and who that we can comfortably rely on in the postseason? Maybe Talbot, maybe White. I'm not comfortable with Carmona for obvious reasons but he has done it before.
if Alex White comes back from his injury 100%, this stint may end up being a blessing as his IP will be low enough to not worry about overuse in October.
again, all that said way too early.
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totally agree about the angels. if they make it to the playoffs, they're gonna be tough to knock out for anyone in the AL.
The games that the tribe played with them were all good though. very tight games, played well on both sides.
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that's fine. 6 of our 15 losses are to minny and chicago... two of the worst teams in the AL. I don' mind losing to the bums if we can beat the good teams.
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very true. and those are 2 of the worst teams in the AL. those are THE 2 worst teams in the AL (according to current standings).
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That is the first time in my 30 years of life, I've heard someone say that. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the last.
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I would want the front office to make a helpful trade if necessary ...... but I do not want to decimate our farm system to do so.
We have a nice young team with a lot of talent .... and a nice pipeline of talent behind them at Columbus. We have 3/4 of an infield that is damn near Major League (and impact) ready. We have some nice pitchers .... and like Chris Antonetti said .... you really want to have 3 Major League capable pitchers ready at AAA in case of injury. (the need for which we have already seen)
I would only make a trade if it absolutely made sense for us, and it didn't cost us any of our top prospects. Of course, the Indians farm system is pretty loaded, so there may be 1 or 2 parts that could be dealt if the right deal came along. I just don't want to "give up the farm" for a bad deal.
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That is the first time in my 30 years of life, I've heard someone say that. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the last.
Well, it isn't necessarily the team, just the bandwagon fans that I encountered when I was younger, and I just can't like them because of it. I know most teams have bandwagon fans, but the Indians just happen to be the team who's fans I encountered the most.
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lol pwn of the week for sure.
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I would want the front office to make a helpful trade if necessary ...... but I do not want to decimate our farm system to do so.
We have a nice young team with a lot of talent .... and a nice pipeline of talent behind them at Columbus. We have 3/4 of an infield that is damn near Major League (and impact) ready. We have some nice pitchers .... and like Chris Antonetti said .... you really want to have 3 Major League capable pitchers ready at AAA in case of injury. (the need for which we have already seen)
I would only make a trade if it absolutely made sense for us, and it didn't cost us any of our top prospects. Of course, the Indians farm system is pretty loaded, so there may be 1 or 2 parts that could be dealt if the right deal came along. I just don't want to "give up the farm" for a bad deal.
well considering we traded cliff lee for carrasco, marson, donald, and knapp, i would say maybe there is a deal out there.
i know it's not as simple as it sounds, but how nasty would the tribe look right now, minus those players (probably needing to find a backup C somewhere) and having seen them pony up the $ for lee? i mean it's only a 41m payroll right now. cliff lee makes 24m a year for 5 years. that'd still be a payroll under 70m.
like i said, i know it's not that easy so no need to jump all over, just something for thought.
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web page Reds Bob Hunter commentary: Volquez misplaces blame like he does his pitches Monday, May 23, 2011 03:08 AM By Bob Hunter The Columbus Dispatch Edinson Volquez, who lasted 2 2/3 innings against the Indians, says the Reds' offense needs to be more productive. CLEVELAND - The Edinson Volquez mystery deepened, spiked by some words from the Reds starter that seemed almost as wild as some of his pitches. To say Volquez has had trouble in the first inning would be an understatement; he often comes out as if he has never set foot on a mound. He has allowed 20 earned runs in the first inning in 10 starts, a budding disaster that has sometimes been mitigated by a sudden reversal of form. But yesterday, with his team desperately needing a win to stop a four-game losing streak, Volquez gave a prolonged demonstration of pitching futility, toiling for 22/3 innings while Reds manager Dusty Baker hoped he would right himself and save the arms in his bullpen. The Indians had a 7-1 lead when Volquez finally exited, and when Cleveland's 12-4 win was over, Volquez threw reporters a curve when he was asked if he was "having a tough time commanding." "Yeah, it was just like another game," Volquez said. "You know, I think we have to, everybody (has) to step up and start getting some runs. Because the last five games we scored how many runs, like 13? It's not the way we play last year. We're better than that." Excuse me? Did a guy who had just allowed seven runs (six earned) andseven hits, walked four, hit a batter and thrown a wild pitch in a hideous, 76-pitch performance just say that the offense was the problem? Hoo, boy. It was nuclear-winter quiet in the Cincinnati clubhouse when Volquez started this mumbo jumbo, but it might not be so quiet in there when the team reaches Philadelphia. That early mess wasn't all Volquez's fault - catcher Ramon Hernandez contributed an unforgettable two-run throwing error to the ugliness - but this would have been a good time for Volquez to take at least some of the blame. He wouldn't even admit that a recurrence of his first-inning troubles was frustrating. "No, I just let it go," he said. "We've got too many games coming. Just trying to get better." The Reds are in a bad place right now. They left for Philly, where they haven't won a game since 2009. They've got Volquez pointing fingers at the offense and apparently in denial about his pitching, which Baker admitted is going to be a topic of discussion among his staff. When he was asked whether the only thing to do was keep sending Volquez out there, Baker said, "We're mulling that around now," which seemed an acknowledgement that something has to be done. "The last outing he was better, a lot better," Baker said, "and this outing he didn't start off well again. We're starting to discuss that." There are other problems, too. Jonny Gomes, who started at designated hitter the first two games of the series and went 0 for 8, was finally on the bench yesterday; he is batting .171, including .126 since April16. Questions about the lineup apparently annoyed Baker so much that he didn't meet with reporters before yesterday's game, the first time during his tenure as Reds manager that he has done that. "What I'm getting tired of is negative stories about somebody who's not doing something or somebody gets thrown out stealing," Baker said Saturday. "It's called stealing because you're stealing. You're going to get caught stealing sometimes. If a guy ain't hitting, he ain't hitting. If a guy ain't pitching right, he ain't pitching right. We've got more guys doing stuff right than guys doing stuff wrong." That is debatable at this point, although it doesn't necessarily mean it will continue this way. Last weekend, the Reds swept the Cardinals in a battle of National League Central leaders and took a 1-game lead. After yesterday's sweep by Cleveland and St. Louis' win in Kansas City, the Cardinals lead the division by 2 games. If that shows anything, it's that these early-season series are seldom as definitive as they seem. Things can go right as quickly as they go wrong. Bob Hunter is a sports columnist for The Dispatch. bhunter@dispatch.com
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Glad to know Ammo has run an exit survey with everyone who's left.  I'm can imagine that everyone who's stayed on the board have similar opinions about the people who've left. 
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I would want the front office to make a helpful trade if necessary ...... but I do not want to decimate our farm system to do so.
We have a nice young team with a lot of talent .... and a nice pipeline of talent behind them at Columbus. We have 3/4 of an infield that is damn near Major League (and impact) ready. We have some nice pitchers .... and like Chris Antonetti said .... you really want to have 3 Major League capable pitchers ready at AAA in case of injury. (the need for which we have already seen)
I would only make a trade if it absolutely made sense for us, and it didn't cost us any of our top prospects. Of course, the Indians farm system is pretty loaded, so there may be 1 or 2 parts that could be dealt if the right deal came along. I just don't want to "give up the farm" for a bad deal.
well considering we traded cliff lee for carrasco, marson, donald, and knapp, i would say maybe there is a deal out there.
i know it's not as simple as it sounds, but how nasty would the tribe look right now, minus those players (probably needing to find a backup C somewhere) and having seen them pony up the $ for lee? i mean it's only a 41m payroll right now. cliff lee makes 24m a year for 5 years. that'd still be a payroll under 70m.
like i said, i know it's not that easy so no need to jump all over, just something for thought.
$49mil payroll when factoring everything in, but I get what you're pointing at: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2010/11/2011-cleveland-indians-payroll-chart.html
and, of course, there'd be the counterpoints of it's easy to cherry-pick the trade that hasn't seen the fruit yet. but, what if we also still had CC instead of LaPorta/Brantley (2 of our biggest everyday contributors this season) and Victor instead of Masterson.
i'll take the current team and hope that we can add something to it if there's something to be had (pretty quiet on the trade market front this year even considering that's it's still May)
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honestly, I was ok with the CC trade. Ever since that guy pooped his pants for us in the ALCS (and really the entire playoff season) I've never been on the boat for keeping him. It got even worse when he went balls out for the Yankees in the WS after getting his money. Good riddance. Plus in hindsight, Laporta/Brantley could be 2 giant cogs for the tribe in the coming years if they can lock them up, and they keep proving themselves. Brantley has been the unsung hero of the season right now, in my opinion.
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and I ended up being okay with the Lee trade because it stopped the Yankees from winning another WS agree on Brantley. he and Asdrubel are co-MVPs to this point.
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