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Guys you're missing the point. Ammo said its going to happen! THERE IS NO AVOIDING IT!!! 
Maybe so, but until the fit and finish are made to better standards I am not getting onboard. 
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And 10 or 15 years ago the "paperless" office was inevitable also.
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Guys you're missing the point. Ammo said its going to happen! THERE IS NO AVOIDING IT!!!
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And 10 or 15 years ago the "paperless" office was inevitable also.
And all of this technology was going to allow us all to work 30 hour weeks too.
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And 10 or 15 years ago the "paperless" office was inevitable also.
And all of this technology was going to allow us all to work 30 hour weeks too.
Entirely from home too.
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And 10 or 15 years ago the "paperless" office was inevitable also.
And all of this technology was going to allow us all to work 30 hour weeks too.
I think we misread that.
I'm sure now, that what they must have really said was "We would be working 30 more hours per week" 
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Guys you're missing the point. Ammo said its going to happen! THERE IS NO AVOIDING IT!!!
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And 10 or 15 years ago the "paperless" office was inevitable also.
And all of this technology was going to allow us all to work 30 hour weeks too.
Entirely from home too.
lol. I always chuckle when Ammo posts stuff like this. I just remember him living at home but talking about buying a brand new car and him saying the best decision he's ever made was buying a Mac.  My guess he's priorities and security needs are far different from an adult.
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And 10 or 15 years ago the "paperless" office was inevitable also.
And all of this technology was going to allow us all to work 30 hour weeks too.
Entirely from home too.
Hey, I'm working from home right now....and yes, our company uses a cloud.
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And 10 or 15 years ago the "paperless" office was inevitable also.
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Entirely from home too.
No, they meant you'll be working an extra 30 hours at home ... ontop of your regular 40 hours at work.
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All I know is that with all of this technology, stuff clients use to want in a week they now expect in a day and heaven forbid if there is a 20 minute period where they can't get in touch with you.... Seriously and I've said this before, I know technology is what you make it but my dad used to get home from work, open 2 or 3 pieces of mail, ask my mom if anybody called and he was done... now I have to keep the cell phone, check the voicemail on the cellphone, check the texts, check the work e-mails on the cellphone, check the home phone voicemail, check the personal e-mail, check the US mail (I still get some), check Facebook and Linked-in... then I sit down to relax and turn on Direct TV and there is an envelope in the corner that means... I've got a message. 
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Sounds like you need to either not give out personal home phone # etc... or consolidate everythign into one. I've got just the phone/cloud for you! I'm sure Ammo can fill you in on how it will be the best decision of your life and that there isn't any avoiding it!
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I agree.
In the construction business, builders used to make a list then call it in during their lunch break or end of day. Now they call with a couple items, call 5 minutes later to add something else, then again in 10 more minutes to add again. And keep doing that until the order ships and get agitated when we tell them they missed the truck with their other material.
Or my favorite they email an order in, then call 1 minute later and ask when it will be there and we hadn't even opened the email yet.
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meh... "cloud" is just a marketing buzz word.
It's nothing new. There's a lot of convenience advantages, but there are privacy concerns, too.
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meh... "cloud" is just a marketing buzz word.
No, its the greatest thing since the newest Macbook. You CANT Avoid it!! 
Yeah I'm aware, just like "4G". Marketing buzzwords that mean nothing.
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All I know is that with all of this technology, stuff clients use to want in a week they now expect in a day and heaven forbid if there is a 20 minute period where they can't get in touch with you....
Seriously and I've said this before, I know technology is what you make it but my dad used to get home from work, open 2 or 3 pieces of mail, ask my mom if anybody called and he was done... now I have to keep the cell phone, check the voicemail on the cellphone, check the texts, check the work e-mails on the cellphone, check the home phone voi³email, check the personal e-mail, check the US mail (I still get some), check Facebook and Linked-in... then I sit down to relax and turn on Direct TV and there is an envelope in the corner that means... I've got a message.
And people wonder why the stress level is so high in this country.
See, your post is exactly why I DON'T have my cell phone on me at all hours of the day - it's why I don't give it out to anyone and everyone that asks. It's why I don't answer it if I have it on me unless I know the number.
It's why I have an answering machine in my office. Now, granted, I don't deal with people that have emergencies...........but very few calls are emergencies, are they? For you, or me.
Having a cell phone is great. Being tied to it, to e-mail, to texts, getting mail on your t.v.????................has it improved your life? Has it improved your productivity? Probably not. (and yes, someone will chime in here about how they "have" to be available at all times...........only to then say "well, customer Joe got ahold of me, but I couldn't do anything about it till the next day......")
Sorry - I just don't understand the "I have to be available at all times" thing. If your job requires you to be on call - okay, that's different. But few people are in that area. And not on a daily basis.
Many people like to think they are indispensable.......many people like to think they need to be "on call" all the time, but in my experience........say we're talking about a customer...........if they constantly call to change things, add things, whatever, more often than not they're not the kind of customer I want. Why? Because you will never satisfy them, and in the end, it's not worth it. MOST of the time.
Heck, even my doctor has an answering machine at home that says "call the office.....if it's an emergency, call the hospital........"
All this tech stuff - makes me wonder how work ever got done 30 yrs. ago with no e-mail, no twitter, hardly any answering machines, no cell phones, no internet......and rotary phones. Yet those were good business times, weren't they?
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Yeah I'm aware, just like "4G". Marketing buzzwords that mean nothing.
I think I'm going to advertise that my company has 48G.
See if that gets me more business. I have no idea what 48G would be, but neither would the customer. It just sounds better, right? 
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Just say "4G+".
Let people try to figure out what the "Plus" is.
If sued you can say; "It's our sterling service".
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Technically, 4G isn't really a buzzword any more than "ethernet" or "tcpip". It is a communications standard... the ITU-R's fourth generation cellular wireless standards.... but yes, for the lay-person, it is just a buzzword that means it is "one better than 3G !!1!!!". "Cloud" really is just a buzzword because it puts a shiny, happy commonplace name on potentially confusing concepts such as "distributed cluster computing", "load balancing" and "Software as a Service".
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Well all it has to be is faster than the previous version, even if its just a tiny bit. Example, T Mobile's 4G is slower than AT&T's 3G. So its a misleading term I suppose would be better. Its not a standard for speed such as 56K or 65MPH that is standard across companies/carriers.
Thus if TMobile improved their data speed up to AT&T's 3G level, they could then call it 5G.
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Technically, 4G isn't really a buzzword any more than "ethernet" or "tcpip".
It is a communications standard... the ITU-R's fourth generation cellular wireless standards.... but yes, for the lay-person, it is just a buzzword that means it is "one better than 3G !!1!!!".
"Cloud" really is just a buzzword because it puts a shiny, happy commonplace name on potentially confusing concepts such as "distributed cluster computing", "load balancing" and "Software as a Service".
Yeah - all that.
My business is 48G+ now. I'm watching the money roll in!!!!! People like ammo will be all over it. Face it, it's inevitable.....you can't do anything about it. Arch's business is 48+G. I just need to grab a pen and paper and write this down so I remember - cause I don't trust cloud.
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lol. I always chuckle when Ammo posts stuff like this. I just remember him living at home but talking about buying a brand new car and him saying the best decision he's ever made was buying a Mac. My guess he's priorities and security needs are far different from an adult.
I chose a new car that I can keep for the next 6 years at LEAST now, rather than move out and have problems with my old car down the road and not be able to afford a nice new car.
Meanwhile, I'm still stashing cash in the bank because my expenses are low.
Not sure why it's your place to judge me. But whatever.
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It IS a standard for speed (and a lot more). It is a frequency spectrum and a protocol. It's just that the standard simply specifies the maximum transmission rates (up to 1Gbps down).
No standard can alter how poorly a company implements it, however. It's no different than the days where Earthlink's dialup service beat the snot out of AOL's. The network behind it is better with greater capacity. If T-Mobil's network wasn't overloaded from the outset, they'd have the same performance level of everyone else... because it's a standard.
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I have an iPhone on which I receive plenty of texts, emails and calls. Know what I do when I don't want to be "on call", as you've put it? I ignore them. It's not hard.
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I have an iPhone on which I receive plenty of texts, emails and calls. Know what I do when I don't want to be "on call", as you've put it? I ignore them. It's not hard.
Good for you. I do too. It's easy. Some are making it sound like they have to be in touch constantly.
I don't. For those that do feel like they have to be in touch all the time, 95% of them are wrong. That 7 pm phone call, or 9 pm text or e-mail - it can wait until the next day. At least for me it can. Unless it's a family member or close friend in the hospital - that's different, as I'm sure most would agree.
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I have an iPhone on which I receive plenty of texts, emails and calls. Know what I do when I don't want to be "on call", as you've put it? I ignore them. It's not hard.
Good for you. I do too. It's easy. Some are making it sound like they have to be in touch constantly.
I don't. For those that do feel like they have to be in touch all the time, 95% of them are wrong. That 7 pm phone call, or 9 pm text or e-mail - it can wait until the next day. At least for me it can. Unless it's a family member or close friend in the hospital - that's different, as I'm sure most would agree.
or a hot woman.... you *gotta* take those calls/texts immediately
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Because you act like a child. You prioritize a new car/computer/phone/twitter followers over growing up. Then get aggressive when others make fun of you for comments "Its unavoidable!" with a smug undertone.
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Because you act like a child. You prioritize a new car/computer/phone/twitter followers over growing up. Then get aggressive when others make fun of you for comments "Its unavoidable!" with a smug undertone.
Uh, what? I'm a grown up. How the hell do you how I act based on posts on an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.
Wanna know how I know how the cloud is unavoidable? BECAUSE I WORK IN THE INDUSTRY. It's only a matter of time before computing is done through the cloud primarily. Google's Chromebook is only the beginning.
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That 7 pm phone call... it can wait until the next day.
You don't take phone calls after 7pm?
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Lots of us work in the industry. Cloud has it's place, but IMO, it's not going to be where everything ends up. Local storage and thick client applications will always exist. There are too many mission critical applications that businesses will not trust to place on a cloud.
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Wanna know how I know how the cloud is unavoidable? BECAUSE I WORK IN THE INDUSTRY. It's only a matter of time before computing is done through the cloud primarily. Google's Chromebook is only the beginning.
What exactly do you do "in the industry"? Lots of us are in the industry ... Many of us in the R&D side as well. Nobody is scrapping everything to go strictly to the "cloud".
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What exactly do you do "in the industry"? Lots of us are in the industry ... Many of us in the R&D side as well. Nobody is scrapping everything to go strictly to the "cloud".
And most of us and been IN the industry since it became mainstream or before. Long before computers were as common as TVs in homes.
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Wanna know how I know how the cloud is unavoidable? BECAUSE I WORK IN THE INDUSTRY. It's only a matter of time before computing is done through the cloud primarily. Google's Chromebook is only the beginning.
What exactly do you do "in the industry"? Lots of us are in the industry ... Many of us in the R&D side as well. Nobody is scrapping everything to go strictly to the "cloud".
He works in "marketing"....lolz 'nuff said.
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Wanna know how I know how the cloud is unavoidable? BECAUSE I WORK IN THE INDUSTRY. It's only a matter of time before computing is done through the cloud primarily. Google's Chromebook is only the beginning.
What exactly do you do "in the industry"? Lots of us are in the industry ... Many of us in the R&D side as well. Nobody is scrapping everything to go strictly to the "cloud".
I'm thinking ammo works for a cloud vendor and is just blindly rehashing the company line.
On another thought. The telecom companies are talking about data limits on cell phone data plans. If everything is in the cloud, you hit your cap that much faster. Congratulations, you have everything in the cloud but you can only access it 1 week out of the month. 
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If everything is in the cloud, you hit your cap that much faster. Congratulations, you have everything in the cloud but you can only access it 1 week out of the month.
No, then you pay for an extra cap or unlimited! For just an extra $39.99 a month you can access it for the entire month!
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Uh, what? I'm a grown up.
Haha yeah I laughed pretty hard at that too. He's been out of college 3 yrs and still living at home while thinking a new car is more important and buying a mac was the best decision he's ever made.
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He works in "marketing"....lolz 'nuff said.
Actually I work in sales now because it's more lucrative.
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Haha yeah I laughed pretty hard at that too. He's been out of college 3 yrs and still living at home while thinking a new car is more important and buying a mac was the best decision he's ever made.
1) Haven't been out of college for 3 years. About half of that time.
2) The majority of 24 year olds still live at home. There's articles everywhere about it. I'm one of the few who's lucky to have a "real job" in this economy. And why do I live at home? Because I'm saving my money. Last I checked, saving money is a pretty responsible thing to do.
3) Yes a Mac and a new car are two of the best decisions I've made in my life. a) Mac is just a better computing system. Period. b) My old car was breaking down. Instead of sinking thousands of dollars into it, I figured I could get a car that will last me until well after I've moved out so I don't find myself in financial trouble trying to afford a car in the future. Might as well purchase it while I can. My parents would have grilled me if they thought this was a dumb purchase. They thought it was a wise investment. I bought a Ford Fusion for god sakes, not a sports car.
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Who was it, about a year or so ago, that said twitter was going to be the new communication "standard"?
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