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Actually, I was talking about Kemba and Williams. A guy who can shoot 48% from three and 60% from the field at 6'9" is pretty nice. Plus, the guy is a winner.
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Actually, I was talking about Kemba and Williams. A guy who can shoot 48% from three and 60% from the field at 6'9" is pretty nice. Plus, the guy is a winner.
i'll be the wizards are willing to give us Rashard Lewis for the TPE 
that was a joke, but honestly that is a good comp for Derrick Williams. he very well could be what Rashard Lewis was when he was taking PEDs. and as we all remember, Rashard on PEDs was a very good player.
(stupid NBA for not releasing those results until the Magic beat the Cavs, but before they had to play the Lakers. STERN!!!!)
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It may turn out that letting LBJ go on his own to get his deal would net us the same as doing what they did with the exception and picks, etc.. but you can't knock the Cavs for that. Even if the exception goes unused, you had to at least get it in case the opportunity came around. Turns out it may not (Although you never know with Thursday coming up)
Actually, it may hurt lebum & the Heat more that he got his max deal through a sing-and-trade. If the new CBA has a hard cap that isn't very high, they have three guys with HUGE contracts and can't add anything through free agency.
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So i have not gone through this entire thread...i'm sorry if it's already being talked about...
But has anyone heard anything good about any of the OSU players? lighty...3bler....etc? i've been watching NBATV and they aren't even mentioned....what gives? i know they aren't lottery picks...but not even in the top 5 or 10 at their positions?
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But has anyone heard anything good about any of the OSU players? lighty...3bler....etc? i've been watching NBATV and they aren't even mentioned....what gives? i know they aren't lottery picks...but not even in the top 5 or 10 at their positions?
Both are considered mid 2nd round picks.
Lighty has even been discussed at #32 for Cleveland (he worked out / interviewed with the Cavs) but in all likelihood, they both go somewhere between picks 35-45.
Diebler could go later than that.
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I really hope we can land Leslie with our second rounder. That would be a realistic, ideal draft for me. Irving, Big V, Leslie, or maybe snag Deandre Liggins.
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Keeping Gasol and pairing him with Howard is infinitely better than Brandon Knight and Kevin Love.
While that's true, you also have to look at the future.
This move would allow the Lakers to get much younger. Love is a double double every night, and Knight is a scoring machine. I question where he'll play in the NBA, but the guy can score from anywhere on the court.
I agree that's their best case scenario for the long term, but I just cannot see LA being ok with basically giving up on another potential 3-peat while Kobe still has gas left in the tank. If they go the Knight/Love route, by the time that team matures enough to get it done Kobe may be too far declined. I don't think the people of Los Angeles would go for that and I'm assuming the Buss family is aware of that.
But I'd love to trade #4 for Kevin Love if Kahn would be so kind, I really like that guy 
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Too bad Biyombo is only 6'9 - 240 ... if he was a little bit bigger, you'd be looking at a Kendrick Perkins or Mutumbo type defender in the middle.
Sounds a lot like Ben Wallace to me. About the same size, good defender and rebounder, no offensive game. Wouldn't be a bad 1st rounder at all if you ask me.
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There have been a ton of rumors that they're working on a deal to trade Bynum and Odom (+ fillers) for Dwight Howard
The Lakers are now run by Jimmy Buss. He personally discovered Bynum and drafted him. He has some weird personal attachment to him and refuses to trade him for anyone. Which is why trading Gasol is the more likely (only?) option.
It depends who you listen to. Its been reported he's willing to do it for Dwight, but he hasn't come out and said it himself. This is the period right before the draft though, I tend not to believe anything anyone in the front offices of any team says right now. Look how much confusion Chris Grant has caused. There are people who actually believe we aren't taking Irving. I think Grant is inside Kahn's head with that one, trying to influence what they do with that #2 pick.
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I was 2/2 with my only predictions in the playoffs.
Chicago sucks and was overated, they finnally got exposed. Rose will be a Laker when is contract is up because he is basicaly stuck with crappy role players massive contracts.
I knew Miami would lose to Dallas.
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ahh i see...man NBA draft is SO much different compared to NFL lol...they do all 7 round of mocks sometimes lol insane...
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Back to the Cavaliers draft ...... my predictions are these:
I think that we'll try to add another 1st round pick somehow. Could be any combination of picks and player(s), or could be just using the trade exemption ... but I think that we wind up with more than 2 first round picks in this draft.
We could wind up with as many as 4 first rounders.
If we do we will probably trade 1 (or both) of our 2nd rounders.
I think that we take Irving and Kanter if we stay at 1 and 4 ..... unless Williams slips somehow.
I don't think that a trade to #2 is dead ...... but it is probably on life support.
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Welcome back. Happy Day. Glad you survived. Happy Day.  lol
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Ehh don't care if he is a winner. I just hope he isn't a mental midget choke artist like Lepippen.
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Everything I've heard has said Bynum is untradeable. But who knows, he's a nut job.
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Past two days have had a lot of media outlets reporting the Bynum/Odom for Howard and a bad contract trade being a possibility. From a logical standpoint it makes sense, as Dwight has publicly expressed his unhappiness with the Orlando management and the state of the team, his contract is almost up, and the package LA could offer is as good or better than what anyone else could offer in a place Howard would be willing to re-sign with. The bolded part being the key to it all. That's the thing the Lakers have above almost everyone else.
Howard has also been linked to the Clippers (I don't see it) and OKC (perhaps) but just from purely a "that makes the most sense" angle, I'd bet on Dwight being a Laker this year or next.
And like I said earlier, I don't believe anything Jim Buss says about Bynum being untouchable. The draft is fastly approaching and every team is posturing and wheeling and dealing. Don't trust what any of these guys say right now, everything is smoke.
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But has anyone heard anything good about any of the OSU players? lighty...3bler....etc? i've been watching NBATV and they aren't even mentioned....what gives? i know they aren't lottery picks...but not even in the top 5 or 10 at their positions?
Both are considered mid 2nd round picks.
Lighty has even been discussed at #32 for Cleveland (he worked out / interviewed with the Cavs) but in all likelihood, they both go somewhere between picks 35-45.
Diebler could go later than that.
I think Diebler ends up being one of those guys that has a nice career over in Europe in the Greek or Turkish league. Seems fitting for his style of play, I don't think he'd be a whole lot of an NBA player. I think Lighty can stick around in the Assocation though.
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We could wind up with as many as 4 first rounders.
that's 4 guaranteed spots on our roster. in fact, if you believe the chatter (which is folly, but fun) we could end up with 5 1st rounders.
Though some of the trades seem a bit far-fetched to me(like actually getting #17 for Sessions). Let’s act like they are not for the moment and worry more about the roster aspect of it since 1st round picks get guaranteed contracts (and we obviously don’t want to just cut a 1st round pick before he gets to play for the team).
current picks: #1, #4, #32, #54
trade1: #4 for #6+#18 (Washington wanting Enes)
trade2: Sessions for #17
trade3: #32+#54 for #25 (Boston needs more frontcourt players and may not be able to get them under the new CBA. I’d say they would be targeting Jujuan Johnson at 32 and package #54/55 to move up for Benson)
“new” picks: #1,#6,#17,#18,#25 (all guaranteed contracts)
That means we need to clear roster spots for them. In other words, we can only have 10 players on next year’s roster. We might be able to package players for future picks or do a 2:1 or 3:2 deal to clear spots. But if not, here’s what we have coming back (in order of who I wouldn’t cut/buyout):
1. Hickson
2. AV
3. Baron
4. Gibson
5. Eyenga
6. Jamison
7. Semih Erden
8. Manny Harris
9. Hollins
10. Samardo Samuels
—-below this line would have to be bought out or cut—-
11. Joey Graham (~$1mil)
12. Luke Harangody (~$800K)
Obviously, that means Anthony Parker, Jawad Williams, and Alonzo Gee will not be apart of the team either. But, I think we all expect that.
Therefore, getting 5 draft picks is about as aggressive as I suspect the Cavs can be (for players that will be here next season). Now, if we draft Jonas-V or another player who won’t be in the NBA next year (Mirotic?), then we could potentially find room for more players.
Assuming, of course, that Gilbert is willing to just payout the players we cut along with inking the rookies to their deals.
oh, and who would we select? my guess of who we would likely get and in parenthesis the player I would pick.
#1 Irving (Irving)
#6 JonasV (JonasV - can risk potential and time with this many 1st rounders)
#17 Nikola Vucevic (Chris Singleton - if he drops a tad)
#18 Jordan Hamilton (Markieff Morris)
#25 Nikola Mirotic - 3yrs before NBA (Tyler Honeycutt)
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I think adding 5 players might be too much. I mean bring in the best talent possible don't get me wrong, but honestly if you look at the team the way you had it lined up, and you add Kyrie Irving and the possibility of Williams or Kanter (could get one, both could get picked at 2,3) that is actually not a horrible team.
Is it bad if that team is good enough to compete for spots 6-8 in the playoffs? Do you want that?
If you go by the numbers and trends, Byron Scott's first season with a new team has been historically bad but the following year is always bang up.
I don't wanna be a guy that says tank the year, or go with the stupid "Another Ping Pong Ball in the Hopper" (APPBITH) marketing slogan, but the Cavs probably need one more lottery to really fill out this team. Remember, the Cavs if they are going to be good, are going to need great players like everyone else, only we don't have the benefit of getting them via FA. They need the draft to build their team. Part of the reason the Cavs failed with LBJ was that in the first 2 years, they botched the one pick they had, they chucked away another pick in a trade, and they barely missed the playoffs meaning the odds of getting a high pick were out the door. Once the Cavs became a perennial playoff team, they had no shot at drafting anyone, had to make these hurried trades for marginal guys, and yes it didn't help that the franchise player was mum on sticking around, driving away guys like Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza and God knows who else.
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I'll go with your trade scenarios with the exception of trading the #4 to Washington. Kanter is going to be the one "Star" to come out of this class, bank on that.
So, with the other 4 picks in your scenario, I'd go ..
#1 - Kyrie Irving (Duke)
#4 - Enes Kanter (Kentucky)
#17 - Jordan Hamilton (Texas)
#25 - Trey Thompkins (Georgia)
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And we have the only team in the NBA where the average age of its roster isn't legal to have a beer. 
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I'll go with your trade scenarios with the exception of trading the #4 to Washington. Kanter is going to be the one "Star" to come out of this class, bank on that.
So, with the other 4 picks in your scenario, I'd go ..
#1 - Kyrie Irving (Duke)
#4 - Enes Kanter (Kentucky)
#17 - Jordan Hamilton (Texas)
#25 - Trey Thompkins (Georgia)
I agree, I hope they hang onto the pick, especially if Kanter is around.
What would be awesome is if they could somehow get into the teens anyway. I don't know if I believe Sessions is worth one of those picks to anyone, but you do have 2 2nd rounders.
I absolutely want none of our future first gone, but I don't see Chris Grant being as dumb as Jim Paxson.
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well, that's sort of why I had the Cavs draft at the bottom of my post setup the way it was. Only 3 of the 5 would be in the NBA next season (if there is a season). Jonas-V would then be here in 2012. Nikola Mirotic would be in the NBA in 2014.
so, for next season, you'd be adding a PG (Irving), C (Vucevic), and SG/SF (Hamilton). and probably still be in the low 30s for wins (so top10 draft pick is likely).
then you add another wing player (from a likely deep wing class) to go along with those guys + JonasV and whoever you can get for Jamison's expiring contract.
it's a slow build and a bunch of fans will get angry, but it's probably also a good approach to it.
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I do agree with standing pat with out picks, with the exception of unloading Sessions for #17.
In THAT scenario, I'd go ...
#1 - Kyrie Irving (Duke)
#4 - Enes Kanter (Kentucky)
#17 - Jordan Hamilton (Texas)
#32 - Josh Selby (Kansas)
#54 - DeAndre Liggins (Kentucky)
I'm real big on Selby if we can get him at 32. I know a lot of coaches were higher on Selby than they were Knight coming out of high school. (John Calipari included). His maturity issues were the concern. But, I think if you can get a guy that talented in the 2nd, you have to do it.
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Do you guys see Minnesota, should they hold onto #2, taking Williams? Can you really do that if you have Kevin Love? Don't you really need to put a defensive-minded big man alongside a guy like that?
I'm of the sort that isn't buying Williams as a 3. I could be wrong, but I don't think that guy can handle the ball as a wing/3 player.
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considering that Minny threw Beasely as a 3 out there on the floor with Love, I won't deny that it is a possibility.
i'm with you in that if they want to 'win' they need to get a defensive presence out there with Love. but, if they want to have a run-n-gun team that will score a bunch of points (and giveup a bunch of points) and become Golden State of the North, then Derrick Williams fits in well.
it might sell tickets/jerseys. maybe that's all they care about?
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I'm of the sort that isn't buying Williams as a 3. I could be wrong, but I don't think that guy can handle the ball as a wing/3 player.
Why not? He can shoot from the outside, and we don't need a ball-handler type like Lebron when Kyrie would likely be doing most of that work. He almost seems like the anti-Lebron. He can't beat people off the dribble or really create his own shot from outside, but he can post up, he can hit threes, and he'll let other people run the offense. As long as he can defend other 3's, I think he'd be good there.
That said, I still hope we take Kanter/Jonas, as we need a Center, and next year's draft is heavy on 3's and 4's.
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The Magic don't have to trade Howard. Where is he going to sign? All the teams that he would want to sign with (Lakers, Bulls, Knicks) all have no money to sign him through free agency.
And those Bynum and Odom rumors have been out there since the Lakers got bounced from the playoffs and are false. Everyone here in L.A. knows that Jimmy Buss has a man crush for Bynum and won't trade him in any deal. Laker fans are just hoping Jerry Buss wakes up and overrules his idiot son.
And even if they would trade Bynum, I don't think Bynum and Odom is enough, because as mentioned before the Lakers have to trade for Howard if they want to get him. How about Bynum, Gasol, and Odom for Howard and Arenas?
Anyway, I'm hoping Howard forgets who the owner of the Clippers is and agrees to sign an extension there. Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, DeAndre Jordan, and Al-Farouq Aminu for Dwight Howard and Gilbert Arenas. Sounds good to me. And we'd all get to see Howard and Blake Griffin on the same team destroying the rim.
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I think if Jimmer or Faried is there when the Knicks pick then they will keep the pick.
Also, if the Cavs take Valanciunas he won't be around till 2012-13 anyway.
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I'm of the sort that isn't buying Williams as a 3. I could be wrong, but I don't think that guy can handle the ball as a wing/3 player.
Why not? He can shoot from the outside, and we don't need a ball-handler type like Lebron when Kyrie would likely be doing most of that work. He almost seems like the anti-Lebron. He can't beat people off the dribble or really create his own shot from outside, but he can post up, he can hit threes, and he'll let other people run the offense. As long as he can defend other 3's, I think he'd be good there.
That said, I still hope we take Kanter/Jonas, as we need a Center, and next year's draft is heavy on 3's and 4's.
he was talking about why Minny wouldn't want him at the 3 though, not us. and you just described Martell Webster, who the Twolves already have on roster. sure, Derrick Williams will probably be better, but they'd need to either start trading some of their other guys or auction him off.
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As long as he can defend other 3's, I think he'd be good there.
That's the problem right there. What's the point of even trying to put Williams at small forward? He's big enough to play power forward and has the skill set. That's where he should play.
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he was talking about why Minny wouldn't want him at the 3 though, not us. and you just described Martell Webster, who the Twolves already have on roster. sure, Derrick Williams will probably be better, but they'd need to either start trading some of their other guys or auction him off.
Oh sorry ... I agree Minny doesn't need him. I'm more worried about them taking Kanter with Rubio coming back, leaving Utah to take Williams, and leaving us with a huge gap in talent or Jonas, who can't play for a year.
For us, I think Williams would be ideal, so long as we can pick up a Center somewhere.
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Plus .... just to add to your senario here .......
We would have Jamison's expiring contract this year, and Davis' next year. We already have New Orleans' 2nd round pick next year. (through Miami) We can then take Miami's 1st round pick in 2013, in addition to ours, plus our 2nd rounder.
Man ... we might actually have too many assets ..... if that's possible.
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I like Vucevic more than most. We'd need to get into the high teens / low 20s to snag him though.
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We can then take Miami's 1st round pick in 2013, in addition to ours, plus our 2nd rounder.
What's the story on Miami's first rounders? What I've heard is that we have two picks between 2013 and 2017. Does that mean we get to pick the years? If that's the case, I would wait it out. If the NBA puts in a hard cap, or Lebron and Wade have alpha dog issues (or both), that team could blow up in a hurry, and we might be in position to grab a much better pick down the road.
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He's been rumored to go to Houston at 14 if Valanciunas is gone.
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We can, as I understand it, take 2 picks between 2013 and 2017, but they have to be in non-consecutive years. (because of league rules about trading consecutive picks)
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