I will immediately lose a great deal of respect and a great deal of confidence in the ability of our front office if they waste a 3rd round pick on this kid.
5th round or lower .... maybe ..... but no way should we spend a 3rd round pick on a massive project when we have heavy duty needs damn near everywhere. (especially defense)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Well, I see him as a game changer in the future, plus we will be so bad this coming year does it really matter who we pick up fill the "damn near everywhere" needs we have? I think the FO made it clear with the draft, next year is shot. Look at our draft picks, yes they are all good players, but 1/2 were not areas of need. I mean a FB and TE, come on. So why not bring in a guy that will win us a game or two, playing somewhere...don't care where, just give the guy the ball.
No way is he a 5th rounder? I think you're full of it.
Not trying to be a jerk but I don't buy your conclusion based off of your reasoning.
You yourself said he could be between the 6th and 10th best QB next year.
This past draft the 6th QB was Colin Kaepernick taken 36th overall.... I don't disagree that he was good but I think free agency and some teams needing to reach on QB's made 6 QBs go by the 36th pick. Still ... the 10th taken was Nate Enderle at round 5 pick 29 .. (almost 6th round) by the bears ...
Last Year's draft ... pick 6 was John Skelton who some on this board were pretty high on. Pick 155 overall. Joe Webb was the 10th QB taken in the 7th round ...
And in 2009 6th Qb - Rhett Bomar - 5th round by the Giants ... 10th QB was Keith Null by the rams at 196 overal in the 6th round.
2008 Draft ... 6th QB was John David booty in the 5th round - 10th was Colt Brennan in the 6th Round
2007 Draft 6th QB is Trent Edwards in the 3rd at 92 (5 picks from the 4th round) 10th was Tyler thigpen in the 7th
I just wanted to show that I think this past draft was more exception than rule... for the most part unless you're a top 3 sure thing QB, you don't go early.
I'm not arguing TP's talent and athleticism. BUT, I strongly doubt that any team takes him before the 4th.
What teams need him honestly? I can't think of a single team where he comes in and starts or even competes to start in year one. I also don't see a team where he is a backup in year one, but I could be wrong because maybe that happens in Dallas or Indianapolis or someplace like that? Still ... I don't think he's ready to be a backup if your number one guy goes down.
So what team is going to spend a 2nd rounder on a guy who will be a project and at best won't be the answer for a few years ... and even then it's a question mark? PLUS ... we haven't even talked about the baggage.
I think if any team burns a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a 3rd string QB that could get beat out by (potentially) some other late round or undrafed quarterbacks ... they're taking a MAJOR risk.
Troy Smith, Dennis Dixon, Joe Webb... all tremendously atheltic quarterbacks, but none were taken before the 5th round.
If TP goes in the 2nd round it will be Pat White version 2.0
Just my thoughts, feel free to disagree...
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That's where we differ. I see him as a guy without a real position right now. He might develop into something at some point, but he's purely a developmental athlete type right now. His accuracy sucks. I don't mean his numbers in college, I mean his ability to accurately complete NFL passes in NFL windows. He racked up stats against weak ass competition, and was nowhere near as effective against teams like USC, Miami, Wisconsin, etc.
He was never a premiere passer in college. He wasn't a guy who passed 30 times/game. He was managed very, very carefully. I don't see him as a premium type, build your offense around him, QB. I don't see him as a WCO type QB. His decision making and quick accuracy in small windows will be major drawbacks.
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Quote: w/ the extra 6th round picks we have.. if he falls that far.. I'm sure Heckert would think twice about getting him at that point.
I don't think that's how the supplemental draft works. I think each team submits what pick they would be willing to use on a player and whichever team submits the highest pick gets him. Don't think anyone actually "falls" and then some team thinks "What the heck, I'll take him now."
As a WR prospect yeah I would take a chance on the cheap. The guy is an athletic freak. I'd have no problem taking a chance as long as it doesn't cost us a lot. With him, Little and Robiske in the slot we could have a decent corps after he/Little get a year under their belt.
As a QB, no thanks. The guy made mistakes that most high school qb's don't make. He got by on pure athletic ability. He doesn't have mental side of the game that qb's need.
Quote: Take him ... if he has no potential at QB he would be a helluva WR with his speed and agility.
I have never seen him catch a ball.
Good point. Also he is built more like a TE then WR.
TP is a developmental QB with a not so compact delivery and he will probably never be a great touch passer. He is a guy that will probably not pay dividends to the team who drafts him for 3-4 years, because he will not be able to simply rely on his feet and athletic abilities at this level.
No way. It would instantly turn into the OSU Homers crying for him to take over the starting position and then they'd go nuts if he were "ruined" by the coaching staff. We don't need that kind of drama.
Pryor will get a shot somewhere. I just hope it's not in Cleveland.
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Quote: No way. It would instantly turn into the OSU Homers crying for him to take over the starting position and then they'd go nuts if he were "ruined" by the coaching staff. We don't need that kind of drama.
Pryor will get a shot somewhere. I just hope it's not in Cleveland.
with pretty much any other Buckeye, sure. not this one though.
and that is even before the tatoo scandal (but especially after). there has never been an OSU player (that I remember) that did so well on the field and was as generally disliked by the fans as Mr. Pryor. Yes, he brought much of that on himself.
I don't think "OSU" homers would be crying for him to get a starting spot.
I think that thing is way overblown. Some Buckeye fans on here hope the Browns get one of their guys, and someone just has to call them an automatic honk (You know, because Ohio State doesn't produce players that are NFL quality)
Is it such a bad thing that we should want Ohio State's best players to possibly come play for our team?
I remember a few years ago, people were getting blasted on here for wanting Troy Smith, but it was perfectly fine to suggest a guy like Brady Quinn, and what do you know, 4 years later, they're probably right around the same level.
I don't want Terrelle Pryor, I didn't even before the entire Fiasco. He's gonna go down as a very good college qb, but what he does on Saturdays won't translate to Sundays. He's a wildcat guy. Not worth anything more than a 6th round pick, and his attitude right now would have me second guessing even that.
No way management takes any risk on this guy. At the very most, he will get an invitation to camp to try and earn a spot on the team, if nobody drafts him.
Flat out, the guy does NOT translate to being an NFL QB. Spending ANY pick on him would be a waste. Try to sign him as an UDFA and hope he can figure out how to earn a spot on the roster.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Flat out, the guy does NOT translate to being an NFL QB.
Agreed but man I would love to see what the kid could do as that over the top roaming free safety. With his ability to quickly plant and go, I think he has all the physical skills you could ask for to make that move to safety.
WOW, seems like half the poster hate OSU, and half hate Pryor for selling his OSU gold pants and rings. We spent a high 4 round pick (5th pick of the round) for a Basketball player, who just happen to play 9 football games and caught 16 passes in 2010. plus 2008 and 2009 played 11 games and didn't get even catch one, not one. lol Please don't get me wrong, Jordan Cameron looks like a good pick to me, but 16 passes in 27 games...really??? http://ajc.stats.com/nfldraft/players.asp?id=155552 Just step back and look at Pryors record, could OSU win all the games they did with out him? http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/terrelle-pryor-1.html
FIESTA BOWL 2008 lost by 3 (Pryor caught his first TD pass in this game) Rose Bowl 2009 won by 7 Sugar Bowl 2010 won by 5 (MVP)
I am sure a team to drop a 3rd rounder or higher on him, might not be the browns, but then again...
you are correct. if Pat White could be a 2nd rounder, then there is no reason that a team might not get awed by Terrell Pryor and risk a high round pick on him.
i sincerely hope that team is not the Browns (I wouldn't mind him with a 5th-7th round pick just because that's flier territory)
Quote: WOW, seems like half the poster hate OSU, and half hate Pryor for selling his OSU gold pants and rings. We spent a high 4 round pick (5th pick of the round) for a Basketball player, who just happen to play 9 football games and caught 16 passes in 2010. plus 2008 and 2009 played 11 games and didn't get even catch one, not one. lol Please don't get me wrong, Jordan Cameron looks like a good pick to me, but 16 passes in 27 games...really??? http://ajc.stats.com/nfldraft/players.asp?id=155552 Just step back and look at Pryors record, could OSU win all the games they did with out him? http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/terrelle-pryor-1.html
FIESTA BOWL 2008 lost by 3 (Pryor caught his first TD pass in this game) Rose Bowl 2009 won by 7 Sugar Bowl 2010 won by 5 (MVP)
I am sure a team to drop a 3rd rounder or higher on him, might not be the browns, but then again...
I don't care one bit where he went to school, or what he did off the field. None of that has any bearing on anything at all - but go ahead and keep telling yourself that those are the reasons people don't want him I care purely that he is NOT an NFL QB, period. He will NOT be successful in this league at that position. Take the college stats and accolades and throw them out, they mean absolutely nothing - just as they do for Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn and Jamarcus Russell.
Jordan Cameron is a flyer that we took on a kid for the position he played in school... but at least he has shown promise at the position we're going to play him at. Only if they are smoking crack will any team spend a pick that high on Pryor for him to be a QB (I'm looking at you, Al Davis); which means that he is a project - at best.
@Mourg - that's an interesting thought, but there is no way in hell I'd spend even a 7th round pick on a kid just to TRY him at Safety. I mean, really... has he ever even shown anything to show that he could play the position? Is he a hitter? Can he cover?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I wasn't crazy about the Cameron pick either .... but it is what it is.
At least he played the position in college that he'll play in the NFL. Pryor won't be an NFL QB. He *might* make it at a different position, then again he might not. Position changes are rough at the NFL level ... especially involving former college QBs who never played any other position.
There are tons of great college QBs who don't make it in the NFL. Why? Because their skill set doesn't translate to the NFL QB requirements. I don't believe that Pryor's skill set translates.
Look at JaMarcus Russell. He had a gaudy completion percentage. He had a nice TD to INT ratio. He had all of the measurables you could ask for in a QB. He busted. Why? Because there is a significant difference between the college game and the pro game. Windows are smaller. Decisions must be made quicker ... and often at the line of scrimmage. Pressure comes quicker. Balls that are lofted for long TDs in college are picked in the NFL. Every team is better than Youngstown State ..... and Minnesota ..... and Eastern Michigan ..... and the Ohio Bobcats ....... and Marshall ....... and so on.
Last year Pryor threw for 3 or more TDs in 4 games. Those games were against Marshall, Eastern Michigan, Indiana and Purdue. He threw 2 INTs in those games, and 13 TDs. Those teams were a combined 16-32. So .... against the rest of the schedule ... and a lot of that was still soft ...... he threw 14 TDs and 9 INTs. The best record among those teams was Wisconsin. We lost that game, and Pryor had a very non descript game, completing 50% of his passes for 0 TDs and 1 INT. So against the rest of our schedule, he threw 14 TDs and 8 INTs. That's not impressive at all.
You can say that he QB'd us to victory after victory, but we had the 52nd ranked passing attack in the country. We had the 14th ranked rushing attack. We had the 2nd ranked defense in the country. By comparison, of the teams that Pryor did well against ........ Marshall had the 77th ranked defense, with 42 TDs allowed. Eastern Michigan was 117th with 71 TDs allowed. Indiana was 89th, with 51 TDs allowed. Purdue was 60th, and allowed 45 TDs. These are the defenses Pryor tore up. He was pedestrian against everyone else.
I'm gonna pass. He did play well against Arkansas, but we might well have lost that game if Mallet hadn't thrown a pass right to our guy to seal the win.
I find it kind of ironic that this is what Pryor said after the game ......
"I don't think I'm ready for the NFL," the quarterback said. "I got a lot of learning to do and better decision-making to make, on and off the field." Link
He's right. He has a ton of growing up to do, and will have a lot of growing pains. Hopefully he does it in someone else's uniform.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I would not have taken him #1 overall, but QBs are obscenely overvalued at the top of any and every draft.
That being said, Newton threw for 30 TDs, and ran for almost 1500 yards. He was only intercepted 7 times. He did play against, and beat, 6 top 20 teams, including the National Championship game. In those games, against top competition, he threw 11 TD passes against 1 INT. He also ran for 8 TDs. Compared to Pryor, he's about 2000 miles ahead.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: Newton has a much better arm and accuracy. He also plays smarter and is actually a better runner. Pryor isn't at his level at any aspect.
Well I'm unimpressed with either.
Newton will be a project and won't live up to his #1 status imo there is not that big a difference. The biggest difference I can see was the fact that they played in different offensives TP was not given the liberties Newton was at Auburn.
Quote: Newton has a much better arm and accuracy. He also plays smarter and is actually a better runner. Pryor isn't at his level at any aspect.
Well I'm unimpressed with either.
Newton will be a project and won't live up to his #1 status imo there is not that big a difference. The biggest difference I can see was the fact that they played in different offensives TP was not given the liberties Newton was at Auburn.
Come on man.....I think Newt is a egghead just as Pryor...both might struggle with the NFL, but strictly from a talent standpoint, Newton is a better runner, and a way better passer.
It isn't close.
NFL teams don't start considering players as a #1 OAP otherwise.
Pryor has never been talked about as a #1 OAP.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: Newton has a much better arm and accuracy. He also plays smarter and is actually a better runner. Pryor isn't at his level at any aspect.
Well I'm unimpressed with either.
Newton will be a project and won't live up to his #1 status imo there is not that big a difference. The biggest difference I can see was the fact that they played in different offensives TP was not given the liberties Newton was at Auburn.
Come on man.....I think Newt is a egghead just as Pryor...both might struggle with the NFL, but strictly from a talent standpoint, Newton is a better runner, and a way better passer.
It isn't close.
NFL teams don't start considering players as a #1 OAP otherwise.
Pryor has never been talked about as a #1 OAP.
Nor should he have been and just because some teams think that Newton is the next coming of Mike Vic doesn't make it so.
Quote: Newton has a much better arm and accuracy. He also plays smarter and is actually a better runner. Pryor isn't at his level at any aspect.
Newton is a gamer for sure.. I don't know if his success in the NCAA will translate to the pros, but man.. He has a knack for winning, and taking over games when the game is on the line.. Reminds me of Michael Vick in that sense.
Yes, he is a project, as he is starting the NFL a year early. Yes, he has 2-3 very bad passes a game. Yes, 2-3 very good passes were droppped each game. He may be the next Michael Vick, or a Cribbs WR/KR type player, or a guy giving me change for my order of fries, in a few years. I just think it's a risk I would take with a 3rd round pick. call me crazy Pryor out ran most (if not all) of the best defensive players in college for first downs and TDs over and over again, plus his stats are very good for a big 10 QB. I just don't understand why a 3rd is reach. I like players that WIN, and Pryor, like Colt and Hillis, wins games over and over.
But his stats are not all that good when you remove a couple of cupcakes from his schedule.
He beat up the kiddie teams, and played OK against the rest. OK in college doesn't get you a premium spot in the NFL.
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John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
He's young and his ego says he wants to be a QB, problem is he ain't an NFL QB. He's young and has talent, but I'm not sure it translates to the NFL. We will see I suppose.
Quote: Is there really that much that separates Cam Newton from TP?
Someone please explain the big difference that I fail to see.
I don't think there is. I would rather have Newton, at either level.
I think Terrelle was better when he tucked the ball and ran though.
Newton was better when throwing the ball as well. The ball just came out more naturally when he threw opposed to when TP would. TP has a great arm he just never developed it. It's not just about who can throw it the hardest, obviously.
I hope for Carolina's sake that he's very good but I have my doubts. He might be a starting caliber qb in the league but if he's gonna be taken first guy overall, you better be game-changing.
As far as TP goes, I don't see him as an NFL qb. He's got the skills of Vince Young and the head of Matt Leinart. That's not good.
So why not bring in a guy that will win us a game or two, playing somewhere...don't care where, just give the guy the ball. 
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