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Excellent. Simply excellent. Whack em in the wallet and keep whacking them until these miserable parents realize they need to take charge of their spawn. web page Double Take Dad sues girl's bullies over Facebook video Saturday, June 18, 2011 03:06 AM By Cindy George A Houston lawyer has sued three girls who made his daughter the target of a nasty video posted on Facebook, according to a lawsuit filed this week in Harris County, Texas. Last month, the Kingwood, Texas, students, who attend the same middle school, filmed themselves offering unkind words about a classmate, then uploaded the video to the social networking site, the civil complaint says. The targeted child's father, Jason Medley, provided the video to school officials, then sent cease-and-desist demands to the three girls and their parents. The letters said he would sue if the youngsters didn't stop all communication with his daughter and if their families did not donate at least $5,000 each to the Center for Safe and Responsible Internet Use, an Oregon nonprofit. Receiving no response by his early June deadline, one of Medley's colleagues filed a defamation of character lawsuit on Tuesday against the three girls, accusing them of making defamatory and false statements that "impute sexual impropriety and misconduct" to his daughter. The complaint also alleged that the video includes threats to physically harm the girl and seeks a permanent injunction to prevent the three from contacting her. Medley declined to be interviewed for this story. The Chronicle is not naming any of the children involved. School officials confirmed the incident, a district spokeswoman said in an email. Nancy Willard, executive director of the Center for Safe and Responsible Internet Use, thinks Medley's lawsuit is "a very novel approach" and had no idea that the Kingwood dad had suggested a donation to her nonprofit. "Think of the lesson he is teaching his own daughter," Willard said. "You do not have to put up with someone hurting you. You can calmly and strongly say 'stop,' and I have your back."
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Is this really where we are heading....you sue someone over playground slander?!?!
Really?
How old are these girls---like 12, and you are suing them over some off-color remarks.
People make fun of other people, kids do this a lot and sometimes they are pretty savage about it. But there is no reason to take stupid childish remarks into a courtroom. None.
People in this country have, quite possibly, the thinnest skin ever. IMO, this girls father is a toolbag.
In reality, the lesson should be--if people make fun of you, that is their problem, not yours. You go on living your life and eventually you will meet people who cherish your friendship and you can have a meaningful relationship with them.
This is stupid stuff that should be ignored, and if this girl dealt witht he adversity herself and persevered towards her adult life--she would be better off.
I think this is stupid.
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I completely disagree with you. You say playground slander, but given all the media and ability to publish and stream, this goes way beyond playground slander.
If it's published over a media, false, and damaging to the girl's reputation, there's a common law recovery. With all the SEVERE bullying stories we here going on, and there's been plenty brought up on this board, I'm all for making people take responsibility, which is an increasingly-fleeting concept in this country.
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yeah i agree, playground talk is playground talk, once you make it public for people to see like that, and make a spectacle of it, that's humiliating, nobody should have to go through that.
I guess it depends on what was said in the video too. Does anyone know exact details?
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yeah, REALLY.. this isn't playground slander.. this is on the internet for the entire world to see.
I hope this Medley guys cleans out the parents of the offending students.
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Nope, you are wrong on this one.
The video is slander, now the 5,000 dollar thing is silly, but a parent and school have the right and obligation to protect a kid from this stuff.
That is how that girl wound up committing suicide last year... the circumstances were similar.
I went through it with my son many years ago, There is nothing worse to a parent than finding your sons name on a "I want to kill" list. Luckily it was handled swiftly before too much damage was done.
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I've never liked the idea that the courts are the place to solve all of our problems.
These people should be able to figure this out without dragging the time and money of the state and it's employees into it.
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I agree with you, But this is a new time and age that parent's don't seem to be as involved in what the children do. That imho is the biggest problem.
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These people should be able to figure this out without dragging the time and money of the state and it's employees into it.
He gave the parents an opportunity to take action and solvethe issue before it was taken to court, the parents chose not to respond.
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These people should be able to figure this out without dragging the time and money of the state and it's employees into it.
He gave the parents an opportunity to take action and solvethe issue before it was taken to court, the parents chose not to respond.
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These people should be able to figure this out without dragging the time and money of the state and it's employees into it.
He gave the parents an opportunity to take action and solvethe issue before it was taken to court, the parents chose not to respond.
The way the article presents it, it sounds like he came to them with cease and desist orders and demanded a total of $15,000 to be donated to charity.
To be honest ... if someone came to me like that, I would've told them to go screw themselves.
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I agree to a point, but back in the day this could be solved and ended by a good old fight behind the bleachers. Now that fight would end up in charges and lawsuits, so there isn't really much of an option. As was pointed out by others, the parents had a chance and a choice to avoid the courts.
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It was $5000.00 and he gave them time to do it, I can see both side's in this...Do We pay the $ or let it go?...Well if i'm the parent of one of these girls I would have at least talked to the man , and let him know i'm taking care of it, dosen't sound like any of the parent's cared at all.
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It was $5000.00 and he gave them time to do it, I can see both side's in this...Do We pay the $ or let it go?...Well if i'm the parent of one of these girls I would have at least talked to the man , and let him know i'm taking care of it, dosen't sound like any of the parent's cared at all.
It was $5,000 a piece, which totals $15,000.
Look, if it was my kids who made this video or whatever, and this guy came to me and said 'here's what your kids are up to, my kid's the victim', that would've been that. I would've apologized to him, apologized to his kid, and made my kid do the same. I'd order the video to be taken down, ground my kid, and order them to leave the other kid alone.
Now, if the guy came to me with a cease-and-desist and a demand for a $5,000 donation, I would've told him to shove it.
I'm not saying that's rational or logical, but that's how I would probably handle it.
And beyond that ... the article just says "Receiving no response by his early June deadline, one of Medley's colleagues filed a defamation of character lawsuit on Tuesday against the three girls".
Now, does that mean the girls kept on making videos and pestering the girl? Or just that the other parents told this guy to go fly a kite over his $5k?
Like you, I see both sides ... but I think this guy probably approached it wrong. Then again, like you said, it doesn't sound like the other parents cared much. I'd have to hear their side, though.
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No kidding. I agree with Phil....if someone came to me demanding I spend 5k, I'm pretty sure he'd be shown the door. I'd certainly investigate the situation and discuss it, though. That didn't have to go to court.
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These people should be able to figure this out without dragging the time and money of the state and it's employees into it.
I Agree, but when you are left with no choice,, that's exactly what the law is there for.
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Bullying ain't what is used to be. People are committing suicide over this. I will tell you this, I believe very much that your kids should leave my kids alone. My kids have the right to go to school and learn without harrassment. If your kids bother, bully and harrass mine I will take what steps I need to make sure they never do that again.
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I've never liked the idea that the courts are the place to solve all of our problems.
These people should be able to figure this out without dragging the time and money of the state and it's employees into it.
He gave the parents an opportunity to take action and solvethe issue before it was taken to court, the parents chose not to respond.
The way the article presents it, it sounds like he came to them with cease and desist orders and demanded a total of $15,000 to be donated to charity.
To be honest ... if someone came to me like that, I would've told them to go screw themselves.
If someone sent me a letter like that, I would reprimand my child, then drag him/her by the ear to that child's house to have them apologize in person, and offer the parents my sincerest apologies and inform them my child would be punished.
That is better than no response at all.
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I am not so sure about that...I agree that in some ways it is different....and that technology has allowed a larger audience....But I am not so sure that the intensity or even the amount of bullying is any different. We just seem to put a larger focus upon it now.
But I can tell you that kids are not as tough skinned as they used to be. Emotionally speaking, my Grandparents generation were some really tough buzzards....My Parents generation...the Baby Boomers...Tough...but not like my Grandparents...My Generation...Generation X...Again...not as tough as the Generation before us. Now others may argue...but this is just my observations....Each generation does seem to be thinner skinned and does not seem to be better equipped to handle Bullying.
2 young boys might have gotten into a scuffle and come out of it best friends. It didn't always happen...but what did happen was there was a new and different respect between the 2 of them. Today...it can never come to that point. And I am not so sure if that is a good thing. Because for one. the bullied does not get to stand up for himself/herself (sure in this story they say the lesson is the bullied stood up by sueing...but while that action hurts the bully...One way to put it is that it wasn't in the bully's language...and so was anything truly resolved between the 2 people???) So there is no chance for the bullied to have the pride of standing up for oneself. They don't get to say that although I was smaller, or weaker, (or put whatever negative attribute you want in there) that I had the courage and faced that demon I was scared of.....And secondly all the pent up aggression and hurt feelings and emotions...that started and grew from this incident...were not released between the 2 people.
I am not suggesting that all kids who are bullied should get into fights...But frankly at times they should have that option. Sometimes, it is the only language the bully understands. And we have slowly over the generations denied them that option.
However, I am suggesting that we look at how we raise our children. We coddle them to the point where any dissapointment is on the level of a global catastrophe. We give trophies out for participation so they don't feel bad because just the first place team got them. We shod them in suits of armor just to ride a bicycle with training wheels. We placate any bad feeling they have because they are our kids and it kills us for them to feel pain....But it's not about us...it is about THEM....And we don't help them by doing this...we don't prepare them for life by doing this...we cut off their legs....
We need to try to make them better than we were. And that includes making them tough enough emotionally AND physically to handle bullies.
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I've never liked the idea that the courts are the place to solve all of our problems.
These people should be able to figure this out without dragging the time and money of the state and it's employees into it.
He gave the parents an opportunity to take action and solvethe issue before it was taken to court, the parents chose not to respond.
The way the article presents it, it sounds like he came to them with cease and desist orders and demanded a total of $15,000 to be donated to charity.
To be honest ... if someone came to me like that, I would've told them to go screw themselves.
If someone sent me a letter like that, I would reprimand my child, then drag him/her by the ear to that child's house to have them apologize in person, and offer the parents my sincerest apologies and inform them my child would be punished.
That is better than no response at all.
That would have been my parents way of dealing with it. with one addition, I do believe my parents would have, in no way, paid out that money.. No way.
They would have addressed the problem with me and I guarantee, it would have been solved..
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I agree with this. We are not preparing our children for life, and that is our primary job as parents.
I have told my son that if he is bullied, the best response when physically attacked or harassed is to punch the attacker right in the mouth. When this was openly discussed following an actual assault, both school officials and his mother expressed astonished disagreement. There response was "nobody should be touching anybody". Nice rule. I asked where was the enforcement when my son's head was slammed into a window on the school bus. I asked "how does doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING prevent this from happening again?" They had no response.
This was with a student who had a past history of assault.
I told the school officials that my son has been told, and taught, to defend himself if physically attacked. I also told them that if he and I got any flak for this, both their unwillingness and inability to ensure student safety would be publicly highlighted. This was about the only thing which got any reaction from them.
There was a second, far more serious incident which met with total inaction. My son's picture was sent by a student to a possible pedophile. I was shocked that nothing was done. I told the school cop and the principal that if this incident was repeated, I would take action. Unbelievable.
The attitude seems to be to NOT teach children to solve their own problems, but to depend on someone else to do it for them. There is a line here, which is sometimes difficult to determine exactly where it lies.
Self-sufficiency and self-reliance are apparently NOT the goal of the present education system. It falls upon parents to correct this.
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We coddle them to the point where any dissapointment is on the level of a global catastrophe.
We need to try to make them better than we were. And that includes making them tough enough emotionally AND physically to handle bullies.
Yes...*most* kids today are babied far too much and far too long. Let them fall down so they can learn to get back up on their own two feet. And, when did Gen X become so freaking sissified anyway? Sometimes we have to make war to make love.
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Bullying ain't what is used to be. People are committing suicide over this.
Bullying is still the same, its the kids that have changed. Image has trumped substance anymore, and so kids go to the extreme when they are humiliated in public. Which is incredibly stupid. And somehow, suicide has become a viable alternative to adversity in our culture--so much so, that tweens are hanging from trees b/c of insensitive tweets and whatnot.
That is stupid. And I can't just blame bullying for that. That, is a flaw in our society. That is a flaw in the way these kids are being raised.
When a child looks to 6 feet of rope and a step latter as the solution to someone's facebook comments about them--we have a problem.
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There is a big difference between the way we were teased as kids and what goes on now. The stuff that goes on now is viscious and vial and needs to stop.
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I think both sides tend to go to extremes. The bully and the bullied.
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I think the Bullying itself is not fundamentally changed.
What HAS changed is the new social networks which give the appearance of dealing with a much larger group, and a sort of "piling on" effect.
The child is not dealing with one or two individuals, but dozens or hundreds.
I try to point out to my son how often other kids are just clueless idiots.
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I guess you weren't bullied when you were a kid......I was...and believe me...it is not that different. It was just as viscious and just as vile. There are some differences into how it is carried out...and technology can give it a larger audience. But terrorism is terrorism...and that is what bullying is when you come down to it. Control by terror. Terror of humiliation, terror of physical abuse, terror of emotional abuse....
It hasn't changed in 10000 years.....What is changing is our reaction to it.
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It's the parents, and the school's fault. The parents for raising kids that have no respect for others, and for the school for letting this behavior go on.
The problem I have with the schools, is they they punish the student that gets bullied for defensing themselves. I know when I was in high school, I punched this kid in the face for taking my chair at the lunch table. He did it every day for a few weeks, until I had enough. He cried like a baby, but I received a 3 day suspension for it, while he got nothing.
I was never the type of guy growing up to get in a pissing match with other students. I wasn't raised like that, it didn't make me feel good, and I was in school to learn, not act like a jackass. So to me, punching this guy in the face was the solution to the problem.
If the schools allow bullying to go on, then they should allow kids to defend themselves in an appropriate manner.
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I see your point.....but the school can't reward a student for punching another, even if he was the one that was being bullied. In your situation, you could have gone to a teacher and raised the issue before using violence (or ever using violence). However, your punch was the most effective method (and probably the best based on a real world viewpoint).
I've seen kids that were being bullied stop the situation by just standing their ground, not punching anyone. That doesn't always work though. Each situation is it's own.
Overall, I don't see our kids as being weaker than any previous generation. I've never been a "the older generations were better because..." person. It's all about the same.
I've used this before and I think it still fits. A sports writer wrote a piece blasting the professional sports landscape for being too much about money, the game itself wasn't important, the media was too big a part of the process, the tickets were too expensive, and it will evenutally die out because the youth would stop supporting it. Well, that article was from 1900.
Every year since, someone has said the same thing....and someone will say the same thing about bulleying 20 years from now, "back in 2011 when I was in grade school, times were rough, not like now...the youth of today is weak." It's a cliche at best.
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I do think that it is much easier to bully someone today than in the past though. Social media is such a huge part of kids' lives today, and cyberbullying is immediate, and spreads like wildfire. There really is no escaping it for many of these kids. You get a group of 4 or 5 "friends" who band together to cyber beat up on others and it can be every bit as intimidating as actual threats of physical violence.
These kids take their cyber lives very seriously, and many would almost rather get punched in the face than to lose standing online.
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I find irony in a lot of this.. one being that the group complaining most about the way the kids of today are raised are part of the generation that is raising the kids of today.. yet it's not any of US that are the problem..
Second of all the people on this board, the jocks, with the egos and the quickness to argue and the big and bad attitudes.. not one person has stepped up and said, "Yea, I was the ... bully in high school." And I guarantee you we have more than one on this board.
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Spanked him once, about 8 years ago. Not saying it was that memorable, just that he knows that there are lines that should not be crossed. He does remember the very last day he ever complained about taking a bath.
I found three sharp swats on the rear preferable to listening to him and his mother scream at each other for another twenty minutes. Yes, I timed it.
I refer to this as the "Right Hand of God" theory of child-raising. They don't need to actually see it, but it is absolutely necessary that they know it is there.
The new, overly-feminized culture of parenting attempts to do away with all forms of punishment. Since there is no consequence to fear, there is no action that is outside the bounds.
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. not one person has stepped up and said, "Yea, I was the ... bully in high school." And I guarantee you we have more than one on this board.
I was sort of a bully. Not the "take your lunch money" kind, not the "..I'll make your life miserable kind..." - but I was bad enough I still think about it.
However, I also was friends with the band "nerds"....I was friends with many of the social "outcasts" as well.
Perhaps the worst I did was, in Biology. We got piglets to dissect. For whatever reason we got to name these piglets. My group (4 of us), named ours the same name as one of the girls in the class. To this day I hate that.
However, I got bullied a bit as well. (not that that justifies anything I did, by any stretch.)
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I'll admit it, I was not a bully in HS. **Edited...but I was a little bullied.
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I honestly don't remember there being any real bullies in my high school. I remember a couple guys walking around like buster bad azz.. but I don't remember anybody being particularly targeted or afraid of them... There were obviously situations where 2 guys developed a problem with each other but that was usually worked out between those two either by a simple knock-down drag-out or by attrition...
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Yes, we had those same type of guys...the ones you knew better than to mess with. Not that they would kick your ass, but just make your life miserable in general. We did have two that were well known fighters...at parties, at parks, anywhere they could. Off the top of my head, I remember three incidences with those two.
Sadly, they both lost their lives within 10 years of graduation.
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AND CONSEQUENCES... WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!
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The worst offenders for walking around like buster bad azz in our high school were some of the wrestlers.. they were so full of themselves it wasn't even funny...
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