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Could we be any dumber?  ‘CULTURAL TERRORISM’ Islamic leaders are outraged at the “cultural terrorism” they say the U.S. Embassy in Pakistan has promoted with a gay pride celebration. Religious groups including Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), the largest religiously based political party in Pakistan, denounced the embassy in protests Monday in Karachi, Lahore and the capital, Islamabad. “They have destroyed us physically, imposed the so-called war on terrorism on us and now they have unleashed cultural terrorism on us,” said JI representative Mohammad Hussain Mehnati at the rally in Karachi. Munawar Hassan, another JI leader, told the Nation newspaper that the embassy reception violated Pakistani law against homosexuality, which can be punished by a maximum sentence of life in prison. “Being a Muslim state, Pakistan follows Islamic rules and regulation, which strictly forbids gay, lesbian marriages and celebrations,” he said. About 75 guests who included U.S. Embassy civilian and military staff, foreign diplomats and leaders of Pakistani homosexual groups attended what the embassy promoted as the “first-ever gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Pride Celebration” on June 26. President Obama declared June to be “Gay Pride Month.” Deputy Chief of Mission Richard Hoagland hosted the reception to honor the group Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs Agencies. “I want to be clear,” he said. “The U.S. Embassy is here to support you and stand by your side every step of the way.” web page
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I'm not a prejudice person,, Don't really care about religion, color, political or gender preference a person might have.. I never have and I doubt I'll ever care about those things. If we are gonna have a Gay Pride day, or a Black Pride day, ,then damnit, I want a Middle Aged White Guy Pride day....  I have to wonder what misguided fool came up with this idea....
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one note: if done in the embassy (unclear from article), then it doesn't matter if we violated Pakistani law as it is considered US soil (just as the Pakistani embassies in the USA are considered their soil).
it is, of course, not going to make us seem less of an empirical society but there are worse things we have done than to hold a party supporting a group that is being persecuted (life imprisonment as noted in article).
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Any chance this is just a "turn the knife" kind of thing to Pakistan? You didn't help with Bin Laden, so we're going to try to royally tick you off?
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J/C, I say enough of the in your face 'Gay pride' BS. Go about your life as you would choice, (as the rest of us do) but I don't want to hear or see anymore. Enough is enough already! I don't care what someone else's sexual preference is and I don't care to know one way or the other. There is nothing special about you that you need to tell the world about. So get over yourselves and leave the rest of us out of your vision of the world. 
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I agree. I have never understood it and I really hope I never go off the deep end and do.
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one note: if done in the embassy (unclear from article), then it doesn't matter if we violated Pakistani law as it is considered US soil (just as the Pakistani embassies in the USA are considered their soil).
And when they decide to stone a guilty woman to death on the front lawn of their embassy in DC, there will likewise be nothing we can do about it.
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It makes us look like the arrogant disrespectful morons that they think we are who are not really out to promote democracy but are really out to push our social agenda on the rest of the world... 
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I agree. I have never understood it and I really hope I never go off the deep end and do.
It's as if we are suppose to think of them special citizens or something
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We broke no laws because it happened on sovereign U.S. Territory, but I completely agree with the Pakistani's... this was a totally B.S. move on our part, and it was clearly a publicity stunt. They SHOULD be offended by us.
I think the Pakistani's should thank us by holding a public stoning on the grounds of their Embassy in Washington.
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They have destroyed us physically, imposed the so-called war on terrorism on us and now they have unleashed cultural terrorism on us,” said JI representative Mohammad Hussain Mehnati at the rally in Karachi.
Munawar Hassan, another JI leader, told the Nation newspaper that the embassy reception violated Pakistani law against homosexuality, which can be punished by a maximum sentence of life in prison.
I find this funny coming from a region (Pakistan/Afghanistan ) that has rampant abuses against young boys .
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We broke no laws because it happened on sovereign U.S. Territory, but I completely agree with the Pakistani's... this was a totally B.S. move on our part, and it was clearly a publicity stunt. They SHOULD be offended by us.
I think the Pakistani's should thank us by holding a public stoning on the grounds of their Embassy in Washington.
What possible positive relations could this stunt possible provide with a culture that already consider us imperialist infidels?
Dumb, Stupid, mindless fools and I don't suffer fools well.
Our citizens aboard are already in harms way.
This one deserves an e-mail to my congressman expressing my deep displeasure and concerns with my governments foreign policy.
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I dont agree with the event, I just dont see why we would do it but.... Quote:
They have destroyed us physically, imposed the so-called war on terrorism on us
Wow ...We destroyed them? Really? ...
The "so-called war on terrorism" REALLY?
WOW
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Well that's something I didn't need right after lunch... 
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Well that's something I didn't need right after lunch...
I agree, but I don't believe that even the gays would condone child molestation.
Horse of a different color there imo.
Edit: Tolerance is I think best ingested in small bites.
I haven't dated for sometime now by choice, but I believe as a by product of some in our society who would push their life style down the rest of our throats, then I would not have to defend my own sexuality witch is not going to change one day when I awake LOL and should not be in question, but it has (not by anyone who matters) and the only thing that has changed in my lives path is that I am now traveling a lone for lack of a worthy woman in my life.
So I say again enough is enough it's not just about your life. You want respect, then you must first respect the rest of us.
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to respond to an above poster?
when is Majority Day? can we have one of those? I'm all for everything and everyone else, but when certain groups are left out?
When are...
Mormon Day?
Jew Day?
Majority Day?
European Day?
White Day?
Native American Day?
Straight Day?
Celibate Day?
can we have a...
Fat Person Day?
Children's Day?
Perfect Physique Day?
I have nothing against any kind of pride, but I dont think your pride is any more special than my pride...derserving of a "day"
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It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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Well, the point kind of is every day is majority day.
Perfect Physique day? I'd offer that "Perfect Physique" is honored every day.
Fat Day? I bet if you looked you could find it.
The point of this type of celebration isn't for you. Nobody's making you look at it. The point is that many, many people believe that being gay or straight is not a choice. Many, many people are gay and afraid to let anyone know, to the point they live their lives in lies, eventually hurting people they become close to. A lot of people fit both of those categories. The point of these "Pride" celebrations is to make people feel that they are OK. So they don't feel they have to loathe themselves. So they can see others and say "me too, and I guess it's OK."
Do white people really need that? It's OK to be white? It's OK to be the majority?
If you want a celibate day, go for it. Plan it, make a public announcement that you're holding your celebration at wherever and you'll be playing Morrissey and everyone should come and have a good time.
If you want a European Day, plan it, put signs up at the Feast of the Assumption, at the Greek Festival, etc.
I don't see the point in saying "You're a minority, I'm sick of hearing that you exist and are not ashamed of yourself," because the reality is there is still stigma. There is still shame. If this helps people have happy and healthy and truthful lives, then what in the hell is it to you?
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when is Majority Day? can we have one of those? I'm all for everything and everyone else, but when certain groups are left out?
When are...
Mormon Day?
Jew Day?
Majority Day?
European Day?
White Day?
Native American Day?
Straight Day?
Celibate Day?
can we have a...
Fat Person Day?
Children's Day?
Perfect Physique Day?
I think all of those are silly except "Native American Day" why isnt there one?
I dont think "Jew day" is PC. And it is everyday here in NY 
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"Native American Day" why isnt there one?
Cherokee nation will return! 
But I don't think that the above illustrations were meant to be taken so literally.
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when is Majority Day? can we have one of those? I'm all for everything and everyone else, but when certain groups are left out?
When are...
Mormon Day?
Jew Day?
Majority Day?
European Day?
White Day?
Native American Day?
Straight Day?
Celibate Day?
can we have a...
Fat Person Day?
Children's Day?
Perfect Physique Day?
I have nothing against any kind of pride, but I dont think your pride is any more special than my pride...derserving of a "day"
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate gay pride day/week/month..... so just ignore it.... But if it is that important to you, then have one. Petition the government, get a group of like-minded people together and have National Upper Middle Class White Guy That Can't Jump Day... nobody is stopping you from trying to get that motion through...
Even if the government doesn't officially recognize it, if you have enough support, get a permit and have a big picnic in a public park and invite all of these like-minded people... if enough show up that the politicians see it as a relevant voting bloc then next year they will recognize it.. but don't sit around whining because nobody has days devoted to things YOU associate with...
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You mean KingSteve is a Mormon, Jew, Majority, European, White, Native American, Straight, Celibate, Fat Person, Child with a Perfect Physique ?
I dont think that is possible.
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Waiting for the Over-the-Hill, Straight Bearded Male, Mother of All Keggers. Might be better received. Tailgate is OK.
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I agree, but I don't believe that even the gays would condone child molestation.
I'm not sure if you are being anti gay or anti gay pride paraders, organizers.
I happen to know a few gay people and their views are not unlike mine, especially when it come to pedophiles. Those I know just want to be treated equally under the law. That is not something that I object to. I also know that not all gay people are the same, even when it comes to these pride parades.
My personal opinion is that the actions of most of the marchers I see are disgusting and certainly doesn't help them gain any kind of acceptance.
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I agree, but I don't believe that even the gays would condone child molestation.
Is that supposed to be a compliment to gay people? 
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I agree, but I don't believe that even the gays would condone child molestation.
Is that supposed to be a compliment to gay people?
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My personal opinion is that the actions of most of the marchers I see are disgusting and certainly doesn't help them gain any kind of acceptance.
Just as I might say about a certain group of Christian protestors.
I wish people would stop indicating that the fringe element of any group have to even be mentioned when discussing the group as a whole.
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My personal opinion is that the actions of most of the marchers I see are disgusting and certainly doesn't help them gain any kind of acceptance.
They are not marchers they are paraders
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My personal opinion is that the actions of most of the marchers I see are disgusting and certainly doesn't help them gain any kind of acceptance.
Just as I might say about a certain group of Christian protestors.
I wish people would stop indicating that the fringe element of any group have to even be mentioned when discussing the group as a whole.
Since we were talking bout Gay Pride Parades (not the actual topic) they are not the fringe. However they do have a negative affect on the gay community as a whole in a large segment of the population.
I do agree with you on the fringe comments.
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So we held a reception to support a group in Pakistan that is persecuted, suppressed, and possibly subject to life in prison simply because of their sexual preference with another consenting adult?
JMO, but that is exactly what American ideals should be. Standing up for the wrongly persecuted. Why are we so concerned with upsetting a religious political group anyways? What ever happened to standing up for the right thing no matter how popular it is?
Personally, I understand that there is a delicacy to statecraft, but in this case, Pakistan has been fairly uncooperative. We've spent 10 years, hundreds of billions of dollars, and worst of all, thousands of lives to catch a few thousand criminals hiding in their country, and ultimately, we've had to do a lot of it by waiting across the border and doing drone strikes or doing covert ops on our own. Bin Laden was "hiding" in a town that is supposedly the equivalent of our West Point, in a large compound that looked way out of place. I'm tired of pussyfooting around the human rights in Pakistan so that they might give us some scraps of intelligence. I also don't care what one religious political party thinks, especially when it is ignorant.
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I agree, but I don't believe that even the gays would condone child molestation.
Is that supposed to be a compliment to gay people?
If you would have quoted my whole statement about being a horse of a different color then you might understand that it wasn't meant as a compliment or otherwise.
Apples and oranges :shrug:
And btw I agreed that the subject matter was not very good after lunch.
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JMO, but that is exactly what American ideals should be. Standing up for the wrongly persecuted. Why are we so concerned with upsetting a religious political group anyways? What ever happened to standing up for the right thing no matter how popular it is?
Sorry but you don't go into somebody elses yard and take a dump even if it is your opinion that they need the fertilizer... There are people being persecuted all over the world, there is genocide going on as we speak and we decided that the most important thing to do at this time was to hold a gay pride event in Pakistan.. that is the group that we thought was most in need of our help....
If we want to use our embassy in another country as a mechanism to shove our idea of what is socially right down other peoples throats then don't get upset when they decide to try shove their idea of what is right down ours.
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I don't consider a show of support for a persecuted group to be a "dump." Burning the Quran on the lawn of the embassy would be a dump.
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You say this like this reception of 75 people was such a use of resources and funds that we could've used it to end genocide. You also say it like it was the most important thing we were doing. The reality is that this is really a very small thing, and it has been blown up by that Pakistani political group b/c "cultural assault" by Westerners plays in Pakistani politics.
Also, what exactly did you have in mind that a group of diplomats to Pakistan could be doing to end genocide instead of having a small reception?
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I could care less what goes on at the Pakistani embassy. If they wanted to burn an American flag, burn the Bible or the Constitution (things that I consider way worse than our "affront" to their culture), I would say God bless, enjoy the freedom of speech that is allowed in our country. The ideals that those three things symbolize run way deeper than the actual material items to me, so it wouldn't bother me one bit.
Their embassy is technically their territory, so they can do what they want. However, if they did something really extreme, you can bet that the rest of the world would not look on very kindly. In contrast, I don't think the rest of the world will care too much about a small reception showing support for persecuted people.
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I don't consider a show of support for a persecuted group to be a "dump." Burning the Quran on the lawn of the embassy would be a dump.
And this is why we will continue to fight with these people, because we don't understand them.
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You say this like this reception of 75 people was such a use of resources and funds that we could've used it to end genocide. You also say it like it was the most important thing we were doing. The reality is that this is really a very small thing, and it has been blown up by that Pakistani political group b/c "cultural assault" by Westerners plays in Pakistani politics.
And because pretending to care about gay Pakistani's plays well in American politics whether we are ticking off much of the rest of the Muslim world or not... We won't let our own soldiers wear a cross or display a Bible because it could offend a Muslim in this part of the world and then we do this? It's not a show of support for a persecuted group, it's a calculated political ploy to get some mileage with the gay voting bloc in the United States.. our embassy could care less if the gay people leaving the event were tracked, followed and imprisoned.. they already got their political mileage from the event.
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A reception that is more likely to cause uprisings and death than it is to prevent it.
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If they were at the Pakistani embassy they are not in our country and our "freedom" has nothing to do with it.
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I agree, but I don't believe that even the gays would condone child molestation.
Is that supposed to be a compliment to gay people?
If you would have quoted my whole statement about being a horse of a different color then you might understand that it wasn't meant as a compliment or otherwise.
Apples and oranges :shrug:
And btw I agreed that the subject matter was not very good after lunch.
Go fish!
The rest of your statement didn't say much about your original statement. Horse of a different color really didn't relate at all.
The "even the gays wouldn't condone it" is a pretty bad statement, whether you meant it to be or not.
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Is that supposed to be a compliment to gay people?
If you would have quoted my whole statement about being a horse of a different color then you might understand that it wasn't meant as a compliment or otherwise.
Apples and oranges :shrug:
And btw I agreed that the subject matter was not very good after lunch.
Go fish!
The rest of your statement didn't say much about your original statement. Horse of a different color really didn't relate at all.
The "even the gays wouldn't condone it" is a pretty bad statement, whether you meant it to be or not.
Obviously, he didn't mean it in a way that would indicate anything negative towards gays or lesbians. so as far as I'm concerned, this is much ado about nothing.
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Is that supposed to be a compliment to gay people?
If you would have quoted my whole statement about being a horse of a different color then you might understand that it wasn't meant as a compliment or otherwise.
Apples and oranges :shrug:
And btw I agreed that the subject matter was not very good after lunch.
Go fish!
The rest of your statement didn't say much about your original statement. Horse of a different color really didn't relate at all.
The "even the gays wouldn't condone it" is a pretty bad statement, whether you meant it to be or not.
Obviously, he didn't mean it in a way that would indicate anything negative towards gays or lesbians. so as far as I'm concerned, this is much ado about nothing.
I don't think it is obvious at all, and others have agreed. He doesn't want them to have a "day", yet there are thousands of "days" that people celebrate one thing or another. He wants them to "keep it to themselves." I agree to the point where people shouldn't overly flaunt it, but it shouldn't have to be hidden either.
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I don't believe that even people from Aurora would be too dumb to know what he meant.
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I think it's obvious... But then,, if you don't,, that's ok with me.. as for others thinking it's not obvious,, is it that you expected me to just accept that as any kinda proof?
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