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So we have 3 errors in one game .......

That was the worst display of hitting I've seen all season, 3 up 3 down, 3 K's, in the bottom of the 8th.

I'm always telling my 6yo, you can't get a hit if you don't swing the bat!!!

I would trade anyone in our farm system outside of pomeranz. I'm sorry but we need outfielders, and we're never going to be able to afford the marquee free agents. Upton has had 3 bad years, but in 07 and 08 he hit .300, and .273. If they could get this guy to hit around .265 he could become an impact player again. Plays great defense, could steal 45 bases, and his only 26. Plus he is affordable. As someone else said you drop sizemore and carmona, we have plenty to get upton.

BJ Upton runs hot and cold. When he's running hot, he's just as good as his brother. Dang, the past couple weeks he was unbelieveable hitting HRs, stealing bases, hitting for average. Everything.

When he's cold though. He strikes out too much, he doesn't get on base at all, so he can't steal. Still plays solid defense either way.

He'd be intriguing but the Rays almost always ask for the moon for their prospects.

Nice diving catch by Carrerra, but he has to do a lot more to make up for that play yesterday...

Asdrubal caught stealing to end the 1st.

Indians 1-0.

Jason Kipnis gets his 1st Major league hit to drive in the wining run.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/14183/does-anyone-want-the-al-central

sums up this division "race" (can we say division crawl?) pretty well.

congrats Jason,


I know this has been said but I gotta get it off my chest......Travis Buck cant hit major leauge pitchers, he needs to be sent down or released, As soon as Choo is back Travis will be released, A.Kerns wow what ever happened to him from last year, need to be released, We need a Outfielder, either trade for one, or bring someone up from Akron or Columbus, I'd rather put Jason Kipnis in the outfield than Buck or Kerns....Something has to be done ASAP, we cant always win 1-0 or 3-2.

ok all better

It's a three team race now. As much as I'd like to say it's just the Tigers and Indians....The Sox aren't going anywhere but up.

Just as always, try to win every series, stay above .500 in your last ten games and don't worry about the other teams that are chasing you...or you're chasing. Control what you can control, your team.

The only guy in the Minors to bring up in the outfield at this point is Jerad Head ..... and he would have to be added to the 40 man roster.

Buck has never really hit a lot, but he is still somewhat young. Kearns has been horrific thus far this year.

Any team that loses their "All Star Center Fielder", and "5 Tool Right Fielder" is going to struggle to replace them. Unfortunately, we're struggling to replace them. We have Brantley, and he's been excellent this year. Carrera looks like a player, but he's young and really getting his first shot at the Majors.

Trevor Crowe could have been a solid, if not spectacular, backup OF who probably would have helped more than either Buck or Kearns ...... but he's been hurt. It has to be killing him to see what could have been a huge opportunity for him to see extended playing time in the Majors gone because of injury. I really think that he's a guy who wants to show that he is the guy the Indians thought he was when they drafted him.

I should also add this:

If the team is legitimately trying to add a right handed bat, probably an outfielder, then they aren't going to make moves that will cost them players lost to waivers by bringing someone up who is not on the 40 man roster. They would have to make a move (probably Kearns) if they trade for someone ...... and I doubt that they want to dump both Kearns and maybe Buck for a very temporary fix.

hope noone was expecting Alex White to take the starter #4 spot (oh, we all were). at least this means no more Durbin down the stretch?

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/ar...le&c_id=cle

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CLEVELAND -- Alex White moved one step closer to returning after throwing a simulated game on Monday. When the right-hander does return, he'll do so out of the bullpen rather than rejoin the club's rotation.

"Down the stretch, he could be a guy that really gives us a lift in the 'pen," manager Manny Acta said.

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j/c

Nice piece on the Tribe in an ESPN blog that can't be linked called Let's Make A Deal: The Cleveland Indians and the risks and rewards of building a team through trades.

The tribe is making it interesting in the 9th in a 2 - 1 (down one) ball game, bases loaded and no outs

offense is such a joke. Laporta swings at ball 4, and bounces into a twin killing. Walden was wild as usual, and laporta lets him off the hook. If Marson improves as a hitter, I wouldn't mind santana just playing 1st. Laporta just hasn't improved since he's been here.

The offense in general did not cover itself in glory.

Of course, they did go up against one of the best in Weaver.

Kipnis went from hero last night to final out in the 9th with a runner on 3rd tonight.

weaver is good, but on the other hand they need to get better hitters in this lineup. you can't just go through the motions every night, regardless of who's on the mound, and hope to get a walk-off-comeback victory every night. I'm kinda tired of it. The Tribe's answer to everything is prospects. When you don't want to pay a guy, prospects. When the team is 15 games out in mid-august, why come to the ballpark? prospects. When guys get hurt, and other guys are struggling, what do you do to make the current team better? prospects.

They are wasting exceptionally good starting pitching and a top notch bullpen.

Don't make me say it.

They've scored 6 runs in 4 games. Incredibly, they've been in every single game. Friday Carrasco makes 1 mistake, masterson didn't make any on sunday, and tonight tomlin makes 1. You can't expect your pitchers to throw shutouts every game. It's just a shame they've wasted this good pitching. Pitching like this doesn't come around every year. How hard is it to score 3-4 runs a game, at home no less.

We're losing a ton of really close games this year. Unfortunately, scoring is way down this year .... and hitting is way down this year ..... and finding a quality bat at anywhere near a reasonable price will be almost impossible.

I mean .... we're seriously talking about a guy (Ludwick) who hasn't hit more than .265 in 3 years, and has only hit over .267 once in his career.

We're not going to wind up with one of the big names. Those guys have no trade clauses, and they aren't waiving them to come here.

I would hate to give up a key piece of the future for a 2 month rental ... especially the kind of guy we can get at this point.

I'm not saying unload the minor league system for a guy who's in a contract year, don't get me wrong. I also don't follow the minor league system closely. What I do know is that the only real untouchable to me is Drew Pomeranz, and that's easy, you just don't give up big lefties. You don't do it. Everything else for me is negotiable.

But we're also talking about an organization that over the last decade is notorious for overvaluing their own prospects. I just don't see this team making any real move to make this team better. If it's Ryan Ludwick, that's expected, but that doesn't do much for me.

I just can't see how the Tribe would have to unload any major prospect or a ton of prospects if they agreed to take on most if not all of the salary, and yes I know a few guys have said they will veto a trade to cleveland (Beltran one, and I think Aramis Ramirez of the Cubs the other) but you can't tell me there is a player out there that a team would love to not have to pay.

Chris Antonetti was on wknr this week saying that the Dolans told him money is not an issue with trying to make this team better at the deadline. Where have we heard this before? Are we ever going to see something that like that proven?

I just have zero faith in that and I feel like this organization is going to sit back and just treat this like the year was a bonus and it's all about next year.

I absolutely loathe the assumption that next year they are going to be good. You don't know if you will have a great bullpen next year. You don't know if your top 3 pitchers will be this good again. You don't know if Chisenhall will get it next year, if Kipnis will be ready, if Laporta will ever wake up. Those guys are supposed to be the future.

And it's not like this organization is going to go out in free agency and do anything about it. Not unless it's a stiff like Kearns or a has-been like Kerry Wood.

I believe they're building it the right way. Just frustrating as hell, seeing them waste this pitching. Baseball is a funny game. Next year our bullpen could suck, and our starting pitching might drop off. Nothing is a given year to year in this game. They just need to rid themselves of sizemore, and hopefully choo bounces back next year, and santana hits for a better average. If white and pomeranz are the real deals, our starting pitching could be as good as those guys in san francsisco.

Sizmore's gone, his best days in Cleveland are well behind us. No way does the Tribe pick up that option at 8-9m (also no way anyone else gives him that) but I think there may be some bad feelings over it, and he will play ball elsewhere. It sucks because I think he hasn't sucked this year as much as he's just not been healthy or ready. I think he went on adrenaline the first few weeks when he came back, but that 2nd trip to the DL was a big time reality check.

I don't know where he'll go next year, maybe he works something out with the team and comes back, but I certainly wouldn't wager on it.

if he's back, he should be our 4th outfielder. Brantley, choo, and hopefully upton will be our outfield next year.

I guess Peter Gammons said we could've had beltran, but he declined to come here.

I don't get that at all. A chance to play for a team that's good, it's not long term, a chance to bat behind or in front of travis hafner, with speed burners in front of you in the lineup. As well as playing for a manager like Manny Acta who seems to have created a pretty good atmosphere with the players. It's not like he'd be playing for Wedge.

I understand if he doesn't want to leave at all, but if he's singling out Cleveland, that's pretty crappy.

Forgive me... I've been watching/listening to my Pirates for the past 5.5 hours, lol. Long night.

If anyone's interested in seeing the worst call by an umpire in MLB history - perhaps the worst in any sport at any time in history - watch the final play of the Pittsburgh/Atlanta game tonight/this morning.

19th inning - tremendous ballgame by both teams pitching staffs and the umpire completely blew it. Turned a great game into a farce in one second.

Jerry Meals... you're the worst umpire in history.

I take it the Pirates lost?

That was a horrible call.

Here's the replay:

That would really suck if you missed the playoffs by 1 game because of that...

Okay, here's the actual replay. If you watch the slo-mo at the end, it's actually a lot closer than you think. The Catcher does a swipe tag, rather than sticking the glove out and letting the running smack into it. Because of that, he grazes past the runners knee and completely misses his upper body. The runner runs into him, but by that time, he's holding the ball up in the air and not tagging him.

Still should of called him out though, unless there was obvious daylight between the glove and the runner.

Dude. Seriously.

2 things... Why when Meals ruled him safe was he not even looking to see if Lugo touched the plate? Why if Lugo wasn't out did he touch the plate after realizing Meals ruled him safe?

Meals either completely blew the call or had his mind made up from the get go that he was going to rule the runner safe. Lugo knew he was out.

Worst call ever. And as someone said, if the Pirates by some miracle are in it all the way and lose it by 1 game then it's horrendousness is magnified. Yes that would have only been the second out but if you notice the runner fell on his face about 10 feet down the line and would have been easy pickins for a double play.

Fantastic game for 19 innings - 2 inept offenses did pretty much nothing for 16 innings, the bullpens were out of their minds all night and it's all wiped away by the most inept, ignorant sham of a call I've ever seen. Shame.

GO BUCS.

Dude, yes seriously ... watch the play without the Pirates glasses on.

As soon as he touches the plate, the Ump calls safe, it's not like he starts motioning safe before he gets there, and who cares if he retouches it after he calls him safe anyway.

Like I said, he's more than likely out, but it's nowhere near as bad of a call as people are making it out to be. The catcher "ole'ed" the tag, and almost missed him completely with an unnecessary swipe move. It only looks really bad because the throw gets there so early, and the runner runs into the catcher while he's holding the ball aloft. By the rules, running into the catcher doesn't make him out, he still needs to apply the tag ... but a play that close, a phantom-ish enough tag should still probably be called an out.

Yet, it's nowhere near as bad as Jim Joyce calling a guy safe and blowing a perfect game when he was out by nearly a full step or the Yankees getting a homerun when a fan clearly reaches out and grabs a ball in fair territory. Both of those were plainly obvious blown calls.

sooo... anybody else notice we're being no-hit through 7?