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And BTW Shep, I'm writing that check to Make a Wish. I don't forsee Congress getting to the mix that this point. It will be in the name Shepdawg.
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Unreal. Hope the players have a relaxing weekend.  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...tions/#commentsNFLPA* to players: We will meet again on Monday to discuss our options Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 22, 2011, 4:12 PM EDT It’s probably safe to put that champagne back in the fridge. Or hit yourself in the head with it. The NFLPA* sent an email to players this afternoon that was obtained by ESPN. Let’s go: “Guys, to keep you abreast of the latest developments, we are reviewing the latest proposal for a settlement. Because of the passing of Myra Kraft in Boston, the NFLPA will not be making any public statements in honor of the Kraft family. “Our recommendation is for everyone to stay put and keep doing what you are doing where you are doing it. We will meet again Monday to discuss our options and the direction we want to go. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to contact us. Your player reps.” Monday. That sounds rather definitive. We are past the point where anything is set in stone, but it sure sounds like there will not be a labor agreement over the weekend. That will shake up the NFL’s proposed timeline for free agency quite a bit.
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Actually, in as much as you may feel the Owners have backed the players in a corner,, yeah, on that we probalby do agree,
Daman...if you interpreted my comments below...(as meaning)...
"The owners may have taken this step, thinking they had the players backed into a corner, but in reality, the only way the players are backed into a corner is if they simply do as the owners want...vote on the contract without knowing exactly what is in it."
...as meaning, that I thought the players were backed into a corner...you interpreted WRONG.
I said, the only way the players can be backed into a corner is if they react to the owner's "imaginary timeline" and do what the owners wanted by voting on a contract without knowing all the details of the contract.
The players put the brakes on about as fast as anyone could, just a short time after Roger Goodell finished his presser which sounded more like an ultimatum to the players, than a press conference.
I would say the player reps recognized the pressure tactic the owners attempted and took the responsible action on behalf of the players they represent. The player reps said they needed to read the entire contract.
I'm sure there are going to be questions from the players, their player reps and their lawyers...therefore, the negotiations will continue until the details are worked out.
Daman...I'm sure you would do just as the player reps did if you were in their position. There is absolutely no reason for the players to get in a hurry now...so it takes another week or so to get a final deal done.
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I gotta believe that the CBA document is most probably a long document with lots of details spelled out.
The owners number 32, the players number 1900.
I'm taking the optimistic approach that the 32 player reps, union leadership and thier lawyers are digesting the document to make sure there aren't any tricks. then they will make a recommendation to the rank and file..
One could argue that they knew what was in the document before it was approved by the owners, but the thing is, they gotta make sure the owners didn't squeeze a sneaky little thing in there.
the players that tweeted about how this agreement was trickery, that they were being hoodwinked, bamboozzled,, did so within hours of when the document was voted on and approved by the league.. tell me again, how they know what was in it? that's just a bunch of winey players...
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After the way the NFLPA has acted this ENTIRE time, I'm supposed to believe the Owners thought they could "corner" them and get what they wanted?
I sincerely doubt that..
Is it so hard to believe that the owners THOUGHT they had a deal with the NFLPA, went ahead with their vote, and then D. Smith and his crew through up their arms and said Wait a Minute!
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After the way the NFLPA has acted this ENTIRE time, I'm supposed to believe the Owners thought they could "corner" them and get what they wanted?
I sincerely doubt that..
Is it so hard to believe that the owners THOUGHT they had a deal with the NFLPA, went ahead with their vote, and then D. Smith and his crew through up their arms and said Wait a Minute!
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Unreal. Hope the players have a relaxing weekend.
A stat came out the other day that said more Americans are having to work weekends to make ends meet. So the NFLPA, who wouldn't have a job without these fans that have to work weekends, are taking the weekend off.
What a bunch of douchebags 
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And now its the Players that want an Opt-Out clause after 7 years?
I mean... who wants 10 WHOLE YEARS of Labor peace?
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But the problem is, before it was even distributed to the players, some of them were yapping about how they had been bamboozzled, hoodwinked etc etc.
I think that's not because they are complaining about what is in it before they read it, rather, that they hadn't even had a chance to read it yet but are still expected to vote on it in hurry-up mode or be looked upon as the bad guys for not making the move according to the owner's time line.
This is a 10 year deal. The owners were the last to write into it and then appear to be trying to hurry the players into voting. The players have every right to study the deal. After all, except for the Raiders abstaining from the vote, it was passed unanimously by the owners. Hell, that alone is reason for suspect.
The players didn't even receive a copy of the deal in a timely manner and are now expected to hurry up and vote according the owners "demands" who publicly set the time line in which the players are expected to adhere to or look like they're dragging their feet unnecessarily, greedily if you will.
They need sufficient time to look over the agreement. It's a 10 year deal. This decision the players are making are not only for themselves but for those who come after them and for those who came before them.
I'm sure they feel they are being disrespected by the ownership in the way the owners have set this up. Hell, the owners drug their feet for two years and then finally locking out the players, (while setting themselves up with "lock-out insurance money" from their TV deal according to judge Doty), played an equal hand in taking this thing down to the wire and are now pushing the players for a quick vote and also setting the parameters for recertifying the union.
As Herm Edwards said on ESPN this morning: These 1900 players are the best football players in captivity. The owners need to respect them for that.
It doesn't appear that they do. They're still trying to control the whole thing in the eleventh hour when in fact it's an mutual agreement between two sides who both deserve and require the time to make a good decision.
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As Herm Edwards said on ESPN this morning: These 1900 players are the best football players in captivity.
that sounds racist.
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when the analysts have been saying that each week of the preseason lost could amount to $200 mil in lost revenue .. did that include the hall of fame game? I'm only curious because while in my mind this deal will still be done by monday ... I also realize the second that one side accuses the other side of being the reason the $200 mil was lost ... then I could see it getting a lot worse.
As in if the owners say the player's lack of willingness to get a deal done caused the Hall Of Fame game to be cancelled ... then I could see that as another bargaining chip on the table and this becoming a lot more farther apart again ....
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here's info on what the HOF is losing by losing the game. not sure if the NFL will step up and compensate them or not. Quote:
CANTON, Ohio -- Workers assembled the metal framework for outdoor tents in the parking lot of the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Friday, getting ready for its big enshrinement weekend -- one that won't include a game for the first time in 45 years.
It's much more than just a lost preseason game for the northern Ohio community with deep football roots.
The labor dispute between NFL owners and players forced the league to call off the annual Hall of Fame game between Chicago and St. Louis scheduled for Aug. 7.
Everything else will go as planned, including the enshrinement on Aug. 6.
It's a financial blow to the Hall of Fame, which could lose about $1.5 million out of its $20 million annual operating budget. And it's a big loss for the community, which gets more than just a financial boost from the event.
Pride also comes into play.
"We're such a football community," said Joanne Murray, director of the Hall of Fame festival for the local Chamber of Commerce. "From the staff to the man on the street, I doubt you'd find a single person who would say they're not disappointed.
"We're just going to have to get through this unusual year and embrace the other events."
A day after the game was canceled, the city was feeling the sting.
"We have more than 4,000 volunteers in the community that help with the events," said Joe Horrigan, a vice president with the Pro Football Hall of Fame. "So there are people who have been working very hard with us on game preparation -- that's their event. They're very disappointed.
"But I think it's more the feeling of losing a little bit of tradition. This is middle America here, and we like tradition. I think that's part of it."
The Hall of Fame game started in 1962, a year before the building opened. There was no game in 1966, but it has been played every year since.
Last year, nearly 20,000 tickets were sold for the enshrinement. The 22,000-seat stadium was packed for a game between Dallas and Cincinnati. An estimated 6 million people watched the enshrinement on television, and the game turned out to be one of the highest-rated shows of the week with 11.4 million viewers.
The Hall of Fame gets ticket and merchandise sales from the game, plus increased visits to the museum. The Hall is in the midst of a $27 million renovation to be completed in 2013. It's offering refunds for game tickets.
Ticket sales for the weekend were down compared to other years -- roughly 14,000 had been sold for the game and 8,000 for the enshrinement. The 2011 induction class includes Shannon Sharpe, Richard Dent, Marshall Faulk, Deion Sanders and Chris Hanburger.
Horrigan attributes the reduced demand to the uncertainty over whether there would be a game. Fans can buy packages that include admission to the enshrinement, the game and other events.
"Now that the uncertainty's gone, we expect a spike," he said.
A survey five years ago by the Chamber of Commerce estimated a $31 million annual impact on the region from the events.
"We're going to have a notable financial impact," Murray said.
Located about an hour's drive from Cleveland, the city has a rich football history. The Canton Bulldogs were formed early in the 1900s and were coached by Jim Thorpe. They won championships and intertwined the city's reputation with football.
The Hall of Fame game was the first casualty of the labor dispute. Horrigan said attendance at the Hall of Fame has been normal this summer, while players and owners jostled over a contract.
"When the Browns left town for Baltimore (in the 1990s) and when there was some labor unrest in the '80s, we saw a direct correlation with our business," he said. "We've been fairly consistent (this summer). If we're down, we're down more because the cost of gasoline spiked. I feel we have not seen a negative response from our visitors."
Unlike the locals, visitors to the Hall of Fame on Friday didn't seem to mind losing a preseason game.
"Your good pros don't even play anyway," said Ed Nettleton, a 43-year-old truck driver from the Chicago area who was watching the NFL Network's recap of negotiations. "Any of these preseason games are more limited to finding the players you want."
Ed Kusher from Rochester, N.Y., went through the Hall of Fame wearing a Tom Brady jersey. His wife, Julie, wore a John Elway Broncos jersey. Their 6-year-old son, Tyler, also had a Brady jersey.
Kusher expects the players and owners to get a final agreement soon. The protracted negotiations haven't soured him on the NFL.
"Not yet," he said. "If it held up the season, then yes, I'd be real upset."
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Whatever the game being cancelled costs will now be shared by the players.
If pre-season games are cancelled, then 48% (or whatever their percentage is) of the full game take will be gone forever.
If I'm the owners, I advertise something like:
"This was your take ....
This is your take after the Hall of Fame game was cancelled ......
This is your take after each week's worth of pre-season games are cancelled ......."
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And now its the Players that want an Opt-Out clause after 7 years?
I mean... who wants 10 WHOLE YEARS of Labor peace?
A lot could change in 10 years. Most people that I know, who work for a union shop have contracts in place for 6 or 7 years. So I could definitely see where some players are coming from.
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I think that's not because they are complaining about what is in it before they read it, rather, that they hadn't even had a chance to read it yet but are still expected to vote on it in hurry-up mode or be looked upon as the bad guys for not making the move according to the owner's time line.
Fine, but if that's the case, why call out the owners and say they hoodwinked and bamboozled them?
Why not just say, it's a large document and we'll need a few days to review and digest it before voting?
No,, instead they start yapping about the owners
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Two things.
I blame both sides, because if they had started talking, I don't know, when the Lockout STARTED, we'd never of been here...
And secondly, I'm tired of all this PR Posturing, guess what, both sides look like crap now... So lets not try and make one final PR Push from either side that could blow this whole thing up...
If everyone put as much time into getting the deal done, as they did trying to make the other side look bad, we'd of had a deal done in a week...
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j/c
It should be pointed out that the NFLPA has stated that they WILL work this weekend.
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De Smith is caught between a rock and a hard place
Posted by Mike Florio on July 22, 2011, 5:22 PM EDT
While continuing to try to figure out how the Executive Committee and board of player representatives of a supposedly toothless trade association has the power to keep the players from voting on the proposed labor deal that NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith presumably has brought to the table with a recommendation to accept it, the light bulb finally has flickered.
At this point the union can reconstitute and the labor deal can be accepted with only 50 percent plus one of the players agreeing with that approach. The opinions and positions and recommendations of the Executive Committee and the board of player representatives don’t matter.
Come March 2012, they do. At that time, they’ll decide whether Smith continues to be the executive director of the NFLPA, with or without an asterisk.
And so De Smith is tiptoeing through a mine field on this one. He knows that it he sends the labor deal out for a vote to all players, more than 50 percent will jump on it. But he also knows that, if he disrespects the Executive Committee or the board of player representatives, the next time he negotiates a labor deal it will be on behalf of one of the clients of his law practice.
So even though what they say doesn’t really matter, Smith has no choice but to respect the current process.
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So... D. Smith is more concerned over his job, than getting the deal DONE...
No Surprise there...
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So... D. Smith is more concerned over his job, than getting the deal DONE...
No Surprise there...
I figured that all along. I think he is the one trying to 'hoodwink' the players at this point. Smoke and mirrors to save face and his high dollar job with the PA.
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I don't think that is the conclusion one can draw, and also think it foolish to think a person, him or anyone else, shouldn't be concerned with their own future.
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I would not be surprised if a deal isn't reached today and recertification takes place at camp this week the way the players want it too. The players just want to show the world we will do it when we want to and not when the owners want us to do it. That seems to be the entire hangup on this.
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I would not be surprised if a deal isn't reached today and recertification takes place at camp this week the way the players want it too. The players just want to show the world we will do it when we want to and not when the owners want us to do it. That seems to be the entire hangup on this.
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I would not be surprised if a deal isn't reached today and recertification takes place at camp this week the way the players want it too. The players just want to show the world we will do it when we want to and not when the owners want us to do it. That seems to be the entire hangup on this.
This is all it's about at this point.. The NFLPA wants to prove to the owners that they are "real" and you can't tell us when to do something, but we will tell you.
As a fan I'm a little disappointed.
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They should also pay the lawyers by the job instead of by the hour.
I bet that this would have been done a long, long time ago if the lawyers involved got a flat rate for their work.
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It's beginning to look like the latest action taken by the owners, was simply a ploy.
The owners packaged their latest "contract proposal" as a done deal, which it was not...and attempted to pressure the players reps and lawyers into treating this latest proposal as a "mutually" agreed upon contract, which it was not.
The owners latest "contract proposal" remains simply "a proposal", with many details to be negotiated, clarified and agreed to.
How much of this latest proposal has already been agreed to...we fans have no idea.
How quickly the two sides can come to agreement on the outstanding issues...we fans have no idea.
Just like all fans, I want football as soon as possible but not like this...not with one side "dictating" to the other side.
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Jul. 22, 2011 07:41 AM
The owners blinked.
All it took was the potential cancellation of the Hall of Fame Game to force Roger Goodell and NFL ownership to reveal their bluff Thursday.
It's not 1987. They're not dumb enough to sacrifice one of their 16 regular-season games to fix a non-existent problem. The NFL is far from broken. It's one of the few products America still produces far better than the rest of the world.
The lockout has been one long, poorly executed bluff.
Goodell and his bosses have been pretending they'd rather blow up the league than honor the partnership and deal Gene Upshaw and Paul Tagliabue forged.
For years, Upshaw was portrayed as an ownership lapdog and a bumbling idiot not competent enough to land NFL players guaranteed contracts. The narrative changed once Upshaw died and greedy owners saw his death as an opportunity to fleece what was perceived to be a weakened union.
The new narrative is Upshaw cut a deal that was too sweet for the players. The previous collective bargaining agreement -- the one ownership opted out of two years early -- was so heavily weighted in favor of the players that ownership was allegedly willing to skip regular-season games to break the union.
Do you believe that now?
Seventeen days before the ceremonial Hall of Fame Game, the owners and Goodell hatched a Hail Mary public-relations ploy trying to bully the players into agreeing to a deal the players had yet to read. Goodell held a news conference proclaiming the lockout over.
"We have crafted a long-term agreement that is good for the game of football," Goodell told the media in Atlanta. "We are anxious to get back to football. It is time to get back to football. That is what everybody here wants to do."
The players hadn't agreed to anything.
And if the players want to be daring, they shouldn't agree to a new deal for a few more weeks. I'm serious.
Upshaw did not cut a deal that was too good to be true. He cut a fair deal. The players take all of the real risks. There is no reason to roll back the money players earn.
Most important from a negotiating standpoint, it's clear now the owners are more desperate for a new collective bargaining agreement than the players. Peter King wrote the NFL's boring-as-televised-poker exhibition season is worth $800 million.
The NFL's lone problem is greedy owners. There's nothing else significantly wrong with the game. This lockout was a bogus waste of time.
My contention for the past year was there was no way NFL owners were going to derail the greatest reality TV show in the world (the NFL regular season). It took 30 years of rules-massaging to turn NFL quarterbacks into the biggest brands on the small screen. Charlie Sheen wishes he could drive the TV ratings Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Michael Vick generate week to week.
You don't damage that momentum to satisfy a couple of small-market owners.
I've never for one minute believed there was a remote possibility of the lockout impacting the 16 regular-season games. If it does, Roger Goodell will go down as the worst commissioner in sports history. It would be an inexplicable error.
Goodell's job is to ride Manning and Brady until their wheels fall off.
This whole lockout was a gigantic mistake. It should've never happened. It was unnecessary. It's not surprising that the owners' new deal would run 10 years and there would be no opt-out clause.
No one wants to go through this again anytime soon. The owners are acknowledging that whatever they've gained from the lockout will probably be offset by the TV-ratings momentum they've sacrificed by sabotaging their offseason.
The executives at ESPN and the NFL Network must be livid about this aborted offseason. Without free agency and mini camps, there's been little to nothing to talk about beyond labor meetings and private emails. Meetings and emails don't drive ratings.
Now, I must admit I was wrong, too. I made the same mistake the owners did. I underestimated DeMaurice Smith and the players. I figured they'd fold and allow ownership to dictate the terms of a new deal.
I'm glad Smith and the players stayed together. I wish they'd hold out a little longer. Yes, they would run the risk of getting attacked by the media lapdogs who are as desperate for a deal as the owners. It would be worth the risks.
Now that the owners have been exposed, it would be nice to see their puppets exposed, too.
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Here's what I don't understand. Where have the reps been for the last umteen months. Is this all new to them? Have they not seen all this paperwork during the "negotiations?
The basic agreement has been discussed for quite some time. Okay, so if there are a few new things added? Thursday night until God knows when to go over the stuff that hadn't be agreed to before.
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How much of this latest proposal has already been agreed to...we fans have no idea.
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I would not be surprised if a deal isn't reached today and recertification takes place at camp this week the way the players want it too. The players just want to show the world we will do it when we want to and not when the owners want us to do it. That seems to be the entire hangup on this.
I was thinking along similar lines early this morning.....if they signed right away they would appear to have caved as opposed to being reasonable. Now they can save face.....
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find it ironic that Mac would quote anything from a FOX News or Sports outlet
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I think that's not because they are complaining about what is in it before they read it, rather, that they hadn't even had a chance to read it yet but are still expected to vote on it in hurry-up mode or be looked upon as the bad guys for not making the move according to the owner's time line.
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Fine, but if that's the case, why call out the owners and say they hoodwinked and bamboozled them?
Simply as a retort to the owners who voted unanimously, (think it's a good deal for the owners?), for their new proposal and then publicly putting the pressure on the players to agree with it or look bad, as the players now do to you.
What many do not get is that the bamboozled part is in the owners publicly asserting a time line. Why "call out" the players to not only hurry up on their decision but to also recertify their union by the preferred owner's method and time line.
Why not simply say, "Here, we've passed a proposal. Look it over and please vote on it as quickly as you can", instead of saying to them, (in front of all the fans), [Here is our proposal. It's good for everybody. Look, we all like it and the fans are very happy now that we've come up with one. Now hurry up and vote it into an agreement by this specific date and furthermore, recertify your union by this specific date using our preferred method or you will be to blame for delaying the lift of the lockout, delaying football and costing the fans in canceled preseason games and maybe worse.]
They attempted to back the players into a corner, in the public eye, so that if there is anything in the proposal that is not good for the players the players are to blame for holding things up.
Look, it's only a proposal presented by the owners. It's not a new CBA "agreement", it's only a proposal. The players are to look it over, make any suggested changes and negotiate them with the owners.
Instead, now, due to the "bamboozled" aspect of it, if there are indeed issues in it that the players question and would like to further negotiate then they are automatically to blame for delaying football. If that happens the fans are mad at the players due to the way the owners set it up publicly.
That equals bamboozled.
It's like this: "Here Damanshot, this is my proposal to you. Sign it right now without reading it or you're responsible for screwing everything up for everybody."
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From what I have read, the players told the owners that revenue sharing, along with some other issues, were to be decided by the owners, and not by the players. They told the owners to decide how to handle those items.
The owners did, then voted on what they had agreed on.
Now the players are balking.
I doubt very much that the players told the owners to decide how to handle those items and that whatever they come up with will be fine with the players. No one is that stupid.
Could it be more like: Since the owners were the ones who were not satisfied with the revenue sharing, (remember that the players were happy the way thing were in that regard. and it was the owners who started right out the gate wanting that extra $1 billion off the top), that the players told the owners to make a proposal showing what they want and the players will look at it?
Because I doubt very much that the players predetermined to agree with whatever the owners decided.
Yet, now that the players want to look it over they are said by some to be "balking". They're not balking at all. They never said they'd agree to any and everything. They're simply wanting enough time to look everything over before voting on it.
A lot of the problem with fan opinion here is the misjudgement in thinking that simply because one side drew up a proposal that it is a "New CBA Agreement" that the players need simply to sign. It's not. It's merely a proposal by the owners. Nothing more.
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If I'm the owners, I advertise something like:
"This was your take ....
This is your take after the Hall of Fame game was cancelled ......
This is your take after each week's worth of pre-season games are cancelled ......."
They don't have to be told that. They already know those things. Even you and I already know those things. They're not children.
And they especially don't need to be told that in the public eye which is only a PR move in an effort to hurry the players up on voting on a proposal they haven't had time to read over yet or else be considered as the ones to blame for delaying football in the eyes of the fans simply due to that PR move.
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Which is it Captain Conspiracy? You say there are many details to be negotiated/agreed upon and you say we don't have any idea how many things have been agreed to???? It obviously can't be both.
He's simply saying there's details to be negotiated on. How many we don't know. But it's obvious that since there is no agreement that the negotiations are ongoing.
If everything were already agreed upon then the lockout would be lifted, the players would be in camp and we'd have football.
The only thing that's happened is much like mac states in his post...
"The owners packaged their latest "contract proposal" as a done deal, which it was not...and attempted to pressure the players reps and lawyers into treating this latest proposal as a "mutually" agreed upon contract, which it was not.
The owners latest "contract proposal" remains simply "a proposal", with many details to be negotiated, clarified and agreed to."
Too many fans have bought into the owner's PR move that their proposal was a done deal needing only the players to hurry up and sign so we can resume football. Furthermore, the fans have bought into it that if the players don't agree to every dot and tittle of it within the NFL's time table, (which is very hurried), then the players are just a bunch of whining babies who are to blame for delaying football.
It was never that. It is simply a proposal. Now, due to the way the owners publicized it, it looks like the players are balking at an agreed upon deal. It was never an agreed upon deal. It's nothing more than the owner's newest proposal.
That's all.
What has to be done now is for the players to review it. That's all. Not review it and vote on it. Just review it. After reviewing it, if they agree to it then they'll put it to a vote by the players. But if there are issues within it that the players do not agree with then the two sides must negotiate those issues. It's ongoing although the fans have been led to believe the players are holding everything up. They're not. This is quite simply the process that negotiating goes through.
How the NFL managed to package their latest proposal as something the players must automatically agree to everything that is in it is beyond me. And how the fans believe that is further beyond me.
I know we all felt great when we heard there was a deal done. The NFL made us think that but they were lying in the way they presented it to us and we believed them. But there was no deal done. There is only a proposal. I can't say that enough. There is only a proposal. A proposal that every owner, to a man, is very happy with. That alone would cause me as a player to want to read every bit of fine print contained in it and not be coerced into hurriedly agreeing to it because of public opinion that was adeptly steered by the NFL to their favor causing dismay toward the players.
How the NFL has caused pubic opinion to be swayed against the players for not yet agreeing to the owner's mere proposal is a genius PR move that I can't believe they've pulled off. It's like the whole of NFL fandom has no ability to see what's really going on in front of their eyes..
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Which is it Captain Conspiracy? You say there are many details to be negotiated/agreed upon and you say we don't have any idea how many things have been agreed to???? It obviously can't be both.
He's simply saying there's details to be negotiated on. How many we don't know. But it's obvious that since there is no agreement that the negotiations are ongoing.
No, what he said was it that the fans (us) don't know how many things have been agreed to but he also says there are "many" details to be agreed to. And I'm saying how does he know there are a lot of things yet to be agreed to if the fans (him too) don't know what has been agreed to.
I am fully aware it is a proposal, and I am fully aware of the manner in which it was presented and the fact that it was a ploy on the part of the owners.......(seemingly)......but it's also been said that this is the final proposal.
It's in the player's hands now, regardless of how it was presented to them. These issues have been talked about for months, and concessions have been made in many areas on the owners part.
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Here's the situation as I understand it:
Goodell and Smith negotiated a deal over the course of the last few months. As with many negotiations things drag on until a time component enters the fray, in this case the loss of significant monies from preseason games.
As things come down to the wire, the deal gets done and is distributed first to the owners at their scheduled meeting. Once agreed to and signed by the owners Goodell has a press conference announcing the end of the lockout. The deal was bargained in good faith by the representative of the NFLPA (Smith) but had not been distributed to the players Executive Committee in finished form.
The Executive Committee and the respective team reps get their panties in a bunch because they haven't seen the finished deal and get on a conference call where someone convinces the reps that they've been "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled" and other subtly racist things and that they need to make a stand to show that they're strong and in control here.
The issue to me is that they hired Smith to negotiate this deal and they've been fully in the loop as to all the things negotiated. Just because the owners vote and announce the end of the lockout....well they did that because they felt as though things had been bargained to in good faith and they did think it was the end.
Now as it pertains to all the final items....many things have to be collectively bargained which can only be bargained with a union. There is no union. It has to be reformed.
The fact that the Executive Committee and the player reps are holding this thing up is asinine.
I'm convinced that someone has gotten into the heads of some of these player reps and told them in racially insensitive terms that they're puppets of the white owners and that's now the root issue here. That's just my opinion when I see Takeo Spikes and others on TV and I hear the language that's being used.
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"The owners packaged their latest "contract proposal" as a done deal, which it was not...and attempted to pressure the players reps and lawyers into treating this latest proposal as a "mutually" agreed upon contract, which it was not.
The owners latest "contract proposal" remains simply "a proposal", with many details to be negotiated, clarified and agreed to."
We have known for sometime now that the owners would have a vote on the issues that have been debated by the two parties on the proposed new CBA.
Why would they have a vote on the CBA if they did not first think that they were in agreement with the players (reps)?
Now all of a sudden they (the owners) are maliciously hoodwinking the players?
I don't think this is the case.
(Because) We the fans think (assumed) that there should have been a vote by the players already is the only reason why we are having this debate.
The season is near and time is short.
The process is not yet finished plain and simple.
The players whom were not party to the talks must be brought up too speed, plus they have the issue of reinstatement of the union to resolve.
They still have work to get done and there was nothing written in stone that the 'proposed' time line had to be strictly adhered to.
Although there is a since of urgency to the matter.
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I find that to be a pretty good summary.....
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It's like this: "Here Damanshot, this is my proposal to you. Sign it right now without reading it or you're responsible for screwing everything up for everybody."
Yes, they put a timeline on the deal. But for good reason, it was to get the league year started in time to get the preseason games in. To get this thing moving and get camps up, FA's signed, UDFA's signed and Draft picks signed.
I doubt the owners put a timeline in for the purpose of bamboozling anyone. They know that to wrangle the best out of the season, they gotta get it going NOW.
So yeah there's a timeline, but geez, it's for a damn good reason.
Besides, these guys have been working on this agreement for months now. if the players don't know whats in it, then they are idiots.
All they needed to do is look over it to make sure the owners didn't slide in a sneakly little this or that. I would think the framework was agreed upon before the owners even got it to vote on.
That's my take anyway.
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It's a Democratic process.
Why some are upset that the owners have voted on the proposal already dumb founds me.
Are they (the owners) supposed to have weighted on the players vote?
If so Why?
Maybe their proposed time line was wishful thinking, but it was one that was proposed so that none of the season and revenue would be lost in mined. What is so wrong with that? If you ask me it was prudent business.
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I always try to look at both sides of the situation. Reverse players and owners here. If the players had voted on this deal on Wednesday as they were supposed to can you fathom the owners saying that they were hoodwinked and bamboozled because De Smith held a press conference announcing the end of the lockout? Why again? The deal was bargained by each sides representatives. Both sides were kept in the loop continuously. Have you noticed that no player has come out and responded negatively to language that was inserted into the deal unbeknownst to them? Just sayin' 
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