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Well, that would make it easier for us to re-sign some of our UFAs like Wright, Womack, Vickers and, most importantly, Greg Estandia.
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Or we can give Ko Quaye a big raise.
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Well, that would make it easier for us to re-sign some of our UFAs like Wright, Womack, Vickers and, most importantly, Greg Estandia.
 How much do we need? From what I can tell (and been told) we are way below the cap. I don't think the amount of money it will take to resign all our own people we want will come anywhere close. All I can figure is that we are looking to spend some big money on one or two free agents.
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Gotta get that extra money to sign Asomugha.
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Gotta get that extra money to sign Asomugha.
That would be nice...
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what's Tim Couch doing these days?
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Are you telling me we aren't going to sign Asomugha?!?! 
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Gotta get that extra money to sign Asomugha.
Don't tease me.
I don't care if we have more pressing needs. The thought of Asomugha, Haden and Ward all in the same secondary excites me 
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There are also many other things that excite you that will never happen.
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So you're saying I should give up on Mila Kunis?
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Let's just say you will need a lot more cap room.
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Heckert could pull Nnamdi. u never know.
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Heckert could pull Nnamdi. u never know.
It appears that we have the cap space to do so.... but heckert doesn't strike me as the kinda guy that would go out do that....
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I'm setting my expectations low. As would Asomugha if he signed with us.
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Why? Has he even played a down yet?
Ah you must be joking...I hope.
JT, Hillis and Rubin need to be inked with new long term contracts (4 years or more). We need to keep our core guys here, so that we keep something to build around and we need to do it before they reach FA imo.
With that said my two top hopefuls are off the board so to speak. (Weddle and Johnson)
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Weddle and Johnson also got huge contracts to stay with their current teams. Nothing to panic about there.
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yes, he was joking. by chance are you blonde? 
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yes, he was joking. by chance are you blonde?
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Heckert could pull Nnamdi. u never know.
Been listening to the replays of Cleveland Browns Daily, (Think I'm really going to like this,) and they had Phil Simms on today. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that it takes stars in this league to win. That teams like the rats and pit have guys on their teams, that even if the teams don't play particularly well, who can make plays and win games for you. He said, "Cleveland doesn't have any (or enough) stars." And he's right. Trying to get it done in this league with just good, hard working players won't get it done. Whether we do it through the draft or go after the occasional top drawer FA, we definitely need more stars on our roster.
I know this won't be a popular take, because of the blue collar nature of Cleveland fans and the hard-nose, Joe average mentality of teams of the glory days, but the league has changed, and I think you can have hard-working, hard-nosed stars. I believe this team certainly needs them. Players like Polamalu, Fitzgerald, Johnson, Brady and so on. It may not fit the Cleveland image of the past, but it's what the teams needs to win in this century. Hopefully we have a start in guys like Haden & Hillis, but we need to keep building that kind of team, IMHO
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I caught that too.
I've always like Phil Simms. He is a pretty straight talker and he is normally right on the money too.
In part I think this is why Mangini was let go. You still need stars on your team.
You hope that you can get them in the Draft and not have to spend the big money on players from other teams.
We haven't had that luxury a round here in the recent past. I hope that turns around. I think we will have our answer to that question when we have had the season to see our new rookies play (baring injury). I'm optimistic, because I don't think that last years Draft was a fluke.
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Is it me, or are the Browns not persuing ANYONE in FA?
Beyond being a "dark horse" for Charles Johnson, I haven't heard Cleveland come up for ANYONE...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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That's fine. Let everyone else make the big splashes signing non-star players to star player money. We will get our guys.
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They might just be more secretive. I've only heard them in talks with Ray Edwards as a rumor ... and haven't heard anything else.
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Is it me, or are the Browns not persuing ANYONE in FA?
Beyond being a "dark horse" for Charles Johnson, I haven't heard Cleveland come up for ANYONE...
For good or for bad...I think that's how H&H roll.
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I don't think that last years Draft was a fluke.
Or the signing of Hillis.
The draft is where we need to build the team, that's the philosophy and I completely agree, but there are players out there belonging to other teams that could help us build toward where we need to be. Fortunately, (I believe,) Heckert is pretty good at his job and is not afraid to take the right guy at the right time, even if he is a FA.
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I'm okay with who we have, and thats even including UDFA's.. some will work and some won't.. only one way to find out... get'em on the field.
I mean do we really need to add anyone on offense? no..
Do we really need to add anyone on defense? yes.. probably a safety, but we did draft a guy.
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Been listening to the replays of Cleveland Browns Daily, (Think I'm really going to like this,) and they had Phil Simms on today. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that it takes stars in this league to win. That teams like the rats and pit have guys on their teams, that even if the teams don't play particularly well, who can make plays and win games for you. He said, "Cleveland doesn't have any (or enough) stars." And he's right. Trying to get it done in this league with just good, hard working players won't get it done. Whether we do it through the draft or go after the occasional top drawer FA, we definitely need more stars on our roster.
I know this won't be a popular take, because of the blue collar nature of Cleveland fans and the hard-nose, Joe average mentality of teams of the glory days, but the league has changed, and I think you can have hard-working, hard-nosed stars. I believe this team certainly needs them. Players like Polamalu, Fitzgerald, Johnson, Brady and so on. It may not fit the Cleveland image of the past, but it's what the teams needs to win in this century. Hopefully we have a start in guys like Haden & Hillis, but we need to keep building that kind of team, IMHO
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Heckert (and separately The Big Show) always came up with guys who BECAME stars...thats really the way to do it, anyway...
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J/C Seattle gets Gallery. That's a coup for them (as long as they keep him at OG). Too bad the guys he'll be blocking for are terrible (not Lynch, the QBs). http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?&a....com%2fnfl%2ffanote: it has 'insider' in the link name, but the info is free if you only care about which team a guy has agreed to sign with (Full list of players). If you care about the 'ESPN expert analysis' then you need the insider account but I wouldn't recommend it 
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also from that list Takeo to the Chargers (bummer, he would have been an okay stop-gap if we miss out on Barnett)
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Is Ben Leber from Minnesota a free agent?
I thought I heard he was going to be, but I haven't heard anything recently about him.
If he's available, he might be a decent stop-gap for us, even though he is 32.
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I don't think that last years Draft was a fluke.
Or the signing of Hillis.
The draft is where we need to build the team, that's the philosophy and I completely agree, but there are players out there belonging to other teams that could help us build toward where we need to be. Fortunately, (I believe,) Heckert is pretty good at his job and is not afraid to take the right guy at the right time, even if he is a FA.
Never meant to leave out Hillis or the other guys Heckert brought in.
He was handed a team that was old and in need of a good overhaul and you can't expect him to turn it around over night, without trades and FA's, but I think he would like nothing more then to get this team to the point where we are trying to keep our own and keep it that way. Then you can use FA for depth for the most part.
Also we are not privy to what's going on behind the seen at the moment, but I'm quite confident that they are working their tails off at the same time as trying to be prudent with their money for the long term.
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Well, either we are signing Joe to a 25-year contract or something, or else we have Somebody on our radar.
What happens if we fall Below the mandatory minimum? I know there is a provision to pro-rate an overage to the next year or two, can we make up for an underspend next year?
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You don't have to hit the minimum until the end of the season as far as I know.
We could come in 30 mil below and lock up our guys to long term deals throughout the season as far as I know.
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Been listening to the replays of Cleveland Browns Daily, (Think I'm really going to like this,) and they had Phil Simms on today. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that it takes stars in this league to win. That teams like the rats and pit have guys on their teams, that even if the teams don't play particularly well, who can make plays and win games for you. He said, "Cleveland doesn't have any (or enough) stars." And he's right. Trying to get it done in this league with just good, hard working players won't get it done. Whether we do it through the draft or go after the occasional top drawer FA, we definitely need more stars on our roster.
I know this won't be a popular take, because of the blue collar nature of Cleveland fans and the hard-nose, Joe average mentality of teams of the glory days, but the league has changed, and I think you can have hard-working, hard-nosed stars. I believe this team certainly needs them. Players like Polamalu, Fitzgerald, Johnson, Brady and so on. It may not fit the Cleveland image of the past, but it's what the teams needs to win in this century. Hopefully we have a start in guys like Haden & Hillis, but we need to keep building that kind of team, IMHO
like the Kardiac Kids had Sipe, etc
That is a perfect example of a bunch of lunch pail guys who couldn't quite get it done, and after their collapse in the AFC championship were basically destroyed mentally, then dismantled.
To quote myself, stars are "what the teams needs to win in this century."
To win consistently in this day and age teams need a solid, consistent, winning philosophy and a core of highly talented players that can be upgraded, enhanced, and replaced through the draft when you lose one or two to free agency, reduced production or retirement.
It's nice to pine for the old days, but neither Bernie nor Sipe ever won the prize, and no matter how great we think they were, they couldn't get it done because there was always lacking a solid foundation and a winning philosophy. Modell wasn't the right leader, and so far Lerners haven't been either. We shall see if Holmgren and Heckert can get it done. If so, they'll have jobs for life. If not, we'll see a new FO installed a couple years.
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Or the signing of Hillis.
The draft is where we need to build the team, that's the philosophy and I completely agree, but there are players out there belonging to other teams that could help us build toward where we need to be. Fortunately, (I believe,) Heckert is pretty good at his job and is not afraid to take the right guy at the right time, even if he is a FA.
Never meant to leave out Hillis or the other guys Heckert brought in.
He was handed a team that was old and in need of a good overhaul and you can't expect him to turn it around over night, without trades and FA's, but I think he would like nothing more then to get this team to the point where we are trying to keep our own and keep it that way. Then you can use FA for depth for the most part.
Also we are not privy to what's going on behind the seen at the moment, but I'm quite confident that they are working their tails off at the same time as trying to be prudent with their money for the long term.
Didn't mean to imply that you did, simply commenting on the recent value we've received in FA in despite all the build through draft rhetoric coming out of the FO.
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Well, either we are signing Joe to a 25-year contract or something, or else we have Somebody on our radar.
What happens if we fall Below the mandatory minimum? I know there is a provision to pro-rate an overage to the next year or two, can we make up for itan underspend next year?
Well the fat Lady hasn't song yet and we never know what's going on these days in the FO. It sux for us fans, but like Holmgren said they are rolling up their sleeves.
It will be good to finally know what they have been working on when that time comes.
Like a kid in the candy store, some of these teams are going to go all out and be broke before the signing period is finished and with less bidders we could be sitting in the cat seat.
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