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I expect a playoff birth this year... or the second BIG MISS will be firing Gini.
What the hell?
You cannot be serious with that...
I think he is
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Jake was the first BIG MISS by the BIG SHOW! I expect a playoff birth this year... or the second BIG MISS will be firing Gini.
I'll grant you the first. The second is assinine. Exactly what did you see in last year's performance that would lead you to believe this team was on the verge of making the playoffs?? 
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I'm dead serious. When Gini was fired Holmgren said he was going to bring in someone to take us to the next level. I expect a playoff birth. Have said that since Gini was fired.
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I expect a playoff birth too (just not THIS year). If fans could will their teams into the post-season, the Browns would have had multiple shots at a championship by now.
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I'm dead serious. When Gini was fired Holmgren said he was going to bring in someone to take us to the next level. I expect a playoff birth. Have said that since Gini was fired.
Sometimes, when things change, you have to adjust your expectations.
I heard what Holmgren said and frankly, any normal year, I'd probably be with you on those playoff expectations.
But, when he said those things, there was a chance of a lockout or stoppage, but hope was that it wouldn't come to that.
Well, it did.
So now we have a New HC and DC. Lots of new players, many very young (as heckert said was needed) and throw in a 130 + day work stoppage where no teaching was done and Boom, you have a different set of circumstances.
If you don't take that into consideration, they you are setting yourself up for a massive letdown..
But, do as you wish.
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Jake was the first BIG MISS by the BIG SHOW! I expect a playoff birth this year... or the second BIG MISS will be firing Gini.
I'll grant you the first. The second is assinine. Exactly what did you see in last year's performance that would lead you to believe this team was on the verge of making the playoffs??
I would be a little bit shy calling the second comment asinine.
We are Housecleaning. Again.
The Big Show made me Gag last year when when he said Jake was still a top QB with a lot of good football left in him. I wondered if Mike was tippling before he made that statement.
mangini/Ryan had this team playing with a toughness not seen since The return.
What we got in replacement was a "by the book" DC who has even LESS talent to work with than Ryan and we will see less "Gimmicks"( those gimmicks confused some top QBs).
So we Need Dline. we cut Rogers and let Roth walk and add two Rookies. we will see how that works out.
we are still desperately thin at Dline.
We cut old LBers and sign No lbers so far( unless you count the walk on undrafteds)
WE need CB and Free safety and let Wright walk( a four year started and replace him with a Saints CB who started 4 times in Four years, wow puzzling
The front office submits we need RB help after seeing Hillis beaten to a pulp the last quarter of a season( helped by the brilliant trade of harrison for the stiff Mike Bell)
and we get a tippy toe receiver RB who will be 3 yards a carry when turned to the tough AFC North may be 2 yards a carry.
When we signed jake i spit up.
When we said we needed no wrs before last year I laughed in disbelief.
Holmgren was FIRED as a GM in Seattle and so far only the quinn for Hillis truffle he found is the only positive trade he has made.
I do not think cutting Rogers made the Browns better. I do not think letting Eric Wright walk and signing Usama Young makes the Browns better.
I do not think not signing wrs makes the Browns better.
I do not think making delusional pronouncements that Gocong is your MLB and you are counting on Mr. Glass DQ as a starter helps the team.
I do not think making fantasy land comments that Pashos is the RT interferes with the probability that a tackle with limited pass blocking ability and injured the last three yeas is now ready to be your stater, unless John St. Clair is the bar you have set for yourself.
When you say you are going to get help for your RB I assume you mean getting a back WHO CAN RUN, not a twinkle toed dancer ill fitted for the AFC NORTH, did Mike fall on his head and think he is still in the NFC west?
WE got an NFC WEST ROOKIE head Coach, whether he is an upgrade over Mangini remains to be seen. At least the team was not embarrassed(save the last game when it was an ill kept secret the staff was going to be fired) and played with a toughness not seen in Cleveland for years. with no upgrades at so many positions, letting Ryan walk, and the competition from our top Division we are looking squarely at a 3 win season with MANY blowout losses.
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Rome wasn't built in a day.
You need to realize that the Browns just completely overhauled their front office, it's a long term project. They aren't going to go out and burn all of their cap room for the next 5 years in 1 offseason. They are looking 2-4 years down the road and signing young guys who fit the system. There is a very good chance the Browns completely suck next year, but is that unexpected? They just went 5-11 and fired the entire coaching staff who then only have 2 weeks to install a new system. I'm one of the optimistic ones about the Holmgren era and even I realize that this offseason is all about laying a foundation. Anyone pissed off about us not making moves for the top FAs needs to go back and listen to Chad Dukes rant about the redskins from last season. Big money FAs is not how you build a contender.
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Heckert is our GM not Holmgren. I am sure Mike is helping (why wouldn't he), but Heckert is the guy making the trades/cuts/signings.
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No but after 11 years of building the Romans sure had better results than we've had....
LOL The difference was the same leaders were building Rome.. we've had different leaders every couple of years.
I'd like to think that this time, we have the right guys in place. Time will tell..
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Rome wasn't built in a day.
You need to realize that the Browns just completely overhauled their front office, it's a long term project. They aren't going to go out and burn all of their cap room for the next 5 years in 1 offseason. They are looking 2-4 years down the road and signing young guys who fit the system. There is a very good chance the Browns completely suck next year, but is that unexpected? They just went 5-11 and fired the entire coaching staff who then only have 2 weeks to install a new system. I'm one of the optimistic ones about the Holmgren era and even I realize that this offseason is all about laying a foundation. Anyone pissed off about us not making moves for the top FAs needs to go back and listen to Chad Dukes rant about the redskins from last season. Big money FAs is not how you build a contender.
Yes Rome was not built in a day yet for any building you MUST build a sound foundation.
A sound offensive foundation is determined by a clear eyed front office that makes wise choices that you can BUILD upon, other wise you are replacing bricks with bad bricks.
This is year two for Holmgren.
While herock conducted a solid draft last year the trades were not very good save one where we caught lightning in a bottle.
Jake was a horrible pickup and a total waste of money and Seneca is not a lot better.( wilts after his first mistake)
So this is a new year and we start it dumping Mangini Ryan for another rookie HC and get a "by the Book" DC. Is it an upgrade , we will see real soon.
Mangini?Ryan at least fielded a tough team yet I worry we took a BIG step back defensively letting Ryan walk. The NFL network can't say enough great thinks about the great influence Rob Ryan will have with a team that actually has talent(Warren Sapp alluded to that) a step back.
The front office says they will get Colt some Weapons.
we add a draft pick and sign no veteran help...Uh huh. so much for what we SAY.
The front office says Hillis need help at RB( the more intellectually adept may wonder why we gave away Jerome Harrison for the punch drunk Mike Bell but that was last year and had its predictable results) so we add a tippy toe wr/rb. I thought Hillis was to get help at RUNNING THE FOOTBALL. So we get a bizarro world AFC North opposite: so much for help with toting the rock.
The front office pencils in Pashos, another brilliant sign on the jake level( kicked off his last two teams for mediocre play and oft injured) and presto he is injured for us. Funny how reality works, yet he is our starter. we have poor right side oline blocking yet have signed NO ONE. Good luck keeping Colts shoulder intact with our blitz happy opponents licking their chops.
We cut Rogers so we have to make another fat DT our first round pick and bypass a really top OT in Gabe Carimi. WE do not resign Eric Wright and replace him with a NO cb who is not a four year starter yet has 4 starts in 4 years. yeah Rome was not built in a day yet I am hard pressed to say we are going to compete in our division with such top talent we have to face. It looks like we are once again writing this year off and with our horrid blocking, no help for Hillis and no wrs to scare anyone i see Colt as dead man walking.
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Yes Rome was not built in a day yet for any building you MUST build a sound foundation.
I kinda stopped reading your post right there for two reasons.. your posts are difficult to read and secondly, I agree with that statement.
My problem is, you say it, but then you must not believe it. A foundation takes time to build.. no question about it.
But if you change builders every few years,, you get what we got. A mess that someone needs to disassemble before they can reassemble.
FWIW, I think we finally have the right guys at the top. Only time will tell, but nitpicking every single move just because you don't think it's good make little to no sense..
but, carry on..
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Yes Rome was not built in a day yet for any building you MUST build a sound foundation.
A sound offensive foundation is determined by a clear eyed front office that makes wise choices that you can BUILD upon, other wise you are replacing bricks with bad bricks.
This is year two for Holmgren.
While herock conducted a solid draft last year the trades were not very good save one where we caught lightning in a bottle.
Jake was a horrible pickup and a total waste of money and Seneca is not a lot better.( wilts after his first mistake)
So this is a new year and we start it dumping Mangini Ryan for another rookie HC and get a "by the Book" DC. Is it an upgrade , we will see real soon.
Mangini?Ryan at least fielded a tough team yet I worry we took a BIG step back defensively letting Ryan walk. The NFL network can't say enough great thinks about the great influence Rob Ryan will have with a team that actually has talent(Warren Sapp alluded to that) a step back.
The front office says they will get Colt some Weapons.
we add a draft pick and sign no veteran help...Uh huh. so much for what we SAY.
The front office says Hillis need help at RB( the more intellectually adept may wonder why we gave away Jerome Harrison for the punch drunk Mike Bell but that was last year and had its predictable results) so we add a tippy toe wr/rb. I thought Hillis was to get help at RUNNING THE FOOTBALL. So we get a bizarro world AFC North opposite: so much for help with toting the rock.
The front office pencils in Pashos, another brilliant sign on the jake level( kicked off his last two teams for mediocre play and oft injured) and presto he is injured for us. Funny how reality works, yet he is our starter. we have poor right side oline blocking yet have signed NO ONE. Good luck keeping Colts shoulder intact with our blitz happy opponents licking their chops.
We cut Rogers so we have to make another fat DT our first round pick and bypass a really top OT in Gabe Carimi. WE do not resign Eric Wright and replace him with a NO cb who is not a four year starter yet has 4 starts in 4 years. yeah Rome was not built in a day yet I am hard pressed to say we are going to compete in our division with such top talent we have to face. It looks like we are once again writing this year off and with our horrid blocking, no help for Hillis and no wrs to scare anyone i see Colt as dead man walking.
Are you forgeting Hardesty? Yes, he was injured last year, but he is healthy right now. Until that changes, quit acting like he doesn't even exist.
Rogers was worthless last year. He had 1 good year here, and then he became the old Detroit Shaun Rogers. We needed rid of hima nd his huge salary.
We have 2 3rd year WRs, which is when the "light" supposedly comes on for WRs. They haven't been great players yet, but they haven't been god awful either. They did have Quinn and Anderson throwing them the ball after all. Notice how Robiskie was much improved last year AFTER Colt started playing?
I agree we need OL help, and it appears we are trying to get some too. We tried to talk with Colon yesterday but he resigned with the Steelers. I would not rule out Max Starks now that he has been cut.
And enough with the Usama Young comments. He wasn't a CB in New Orleans and you know it, you just keep making that comment to try to put him down. He was behind a Hall fo Fame FS while in New Orleans. he has the ability. Give hima chance and we will see.
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Jake was a horrible pickup and a total waste of money and Seneca is not a lot better.( wilts after his first mistake)
Not if they helped colt learn the playbook.
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The front office pencils in Pashos, another brilliant sign on the jake level( kicked off his last two teams for mediocre play and oft injured) and presto he is injured for us. Funny how reality works, yet he is our starter. we have poor right side oline blocking yet have signed NO ONE. Good luck keeping Colts shoulder intact with our blitz happy opponents licking their chops.
Ever consider the thought they may sign a RT?
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I would have been livid if we drafted a RT with a first rounder.
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I read your whole post, but all I can remember it saying is: waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
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Most of the time I ignore what you write (and dont often post much myself), but it is really annoying how you continually say how out of shape Phil Taylor is. And we should have kept Rogers. Don't get me wrong when Rogers was motivated he was an animal that couldn't be contained. The problem is that was 2 years ago. And obviously you are wrong about Taylor here is what Coach Shurmur and our G.m Heckert had to say about him in the post draft press conference. Tom Heckert (On Taylor rotating in and out because of size) -- “I’ll tell you what, he didn’t rotate at all at Baylor. If you watch him, he’s playing 80 plays, as a 340 pound defensive lineman he never came out. I think it was the Oklahoma game and they are getting schalached and he’s playing hard, he’s tired there’s no questions he’s tired but he’s playing every snap and he’s running to the ball and this kid’s effort is not a problem whatsoever.” Pat Shurmur “College football has changed a little bit. Teams try and run as many plays as they can at you and that’s a little difficult for a defensive lineman. Trust me, we’d all get tired playing a game where you’re going to play 90 snaps and so I think he’s been trained for this level.” Then the great Rogers would play what 2 out of 5 snaps if that? And maybe give 100% half of those plays. Transcript
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What makes you know that we let Wright walk?
We know no details of his contract. We could have tried to re-sign him but he just got a better deal from Detroit (who had been searching desperately for a cornerback). Wright is a good player, but there comes a point with almost every player that you have to say, "We are not willing to pay that much. Good luck in your future endeavors." And you let him walk.
Did you ever think, probably not, that we tried to re-sign Wright but Detroit just made a better offer?
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No he didn't, that would shoot down his theory that the FO sucks and everything they do sucks 
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Just a general reply: We should be playoff contenders ... or, at the very least, 8-8. Our schedule is incredibly easy compared to last year. Last year we had 9 games against playoff teams, and another against the 10-6 Bucs. This year we get the NFC West ..... which Seattle won with a 7-9 record ..... and they won 4 of those 7 in division ...... and another against Carolina.  If we don't win at least 8 games this year, we should have major questions for the coaches/front office.
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I'd like to see Jake come back at a reduced pay. He still has a lot to offer. A class act all around.
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If we don't win at least 8 games this year, we should have major questions for the coaches/front office.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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We should be playoff contenders ... or, at the very least, 8-8. Our schedule is incredibly easy compared to last year. Last year we had 9 games against playoff teams, and another against the 10-6 Bucs.
This year we get the NFC West ..... which Seattle won with a 7-9 record ..... and they won 4 of those 7 in division ...... and another against Carolina.
If we don't win at least 8 games this year, we should have major questions for the coaches/front office.
Honestly Ytown, I can kinda see where you are coming from with the weak schedule and all, but I never will buy into the strength of schedule thing.
Look at the year before we went 10-6. If we were on a teams schedule, it looked like an automatic win... at least for 10 games, it wasn't. And a couple of more games that were pretty close as well.
Teams change each season.. you can count on the Steelers, Colts, Ravens, Pats and Green Bay all being pretty good..
In the last 10 or so years, if you have the Browns, bengals, Lions, KC, Washington, San Fran etc.. you could almost say,,, hey, we got a shot.
Things change.. Each year, one team or another always seems to come out of nowhere to win enough games to surprise the league.
So strength of schedule doesn't mean much to me.. I ain't buying in.
With that, and looking at the new coach, new players, new Defense, New Offense and short period of time to install various changes, I don't see how it's reasonable to think we should win 8 games or heads should roll...
Just don't see it
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We started out with TB and KC last year, and everyone thought we SHOULD go 2-0...
We started 0-2 and eveyone blew their minds...
Then KC and TB won 10 games each... and everyone forgot that we were "supposed" to beat them...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Exactly.
SOS doesn't mean much to me either. Why? Because it's based on what teams did last year - and we all know how quickly that can change. Free agents leave, free agents come, rookies one year are more experienced the next year, on and on.
SOS is way over rated.
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New Head Coach... new defensive coordinator with a new defensive scheme... and a second year QB who is learning his second offense in two years.... playoff team?  I don't have high expectations this year... I think offensively we should be ok... but it'll take some time for our system to gel I think. WCO is a lot about timing and I don't know if we'll be coherent right out of the gate. defensively I'm not sure what to expect... I like a couple of our pieces in the secondary but really think we need more corner help... on the DL we're young but I'm hoping that they can gel and really play well this year... and unless DQ is healthy this year our LBs are in major trouble.... I don't see playoffs... competitive? I think so...
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SOS doesn't mean much to me either. Why? Because it's based on what teams did last year - and we all know how quickly that can change. Free agents leave, free agents come, rookies one year are more experienced the next year, on and on.
SOS is way over rated.
I'm not a gambler or betting man much, but I'm guessing that SOS means more to the Bookies then it does to the average fan.. Just a guess however.
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We started out with TB and KC last year, and everyone thought we SHOULD go 2-0...
We started 0-2 and eveyone blew their minds...
Then KC and TB won 10 games each... and everyone forgot that we were "supposed" to beat them...
We also gave them some confidence by blowing those games, which were very winnable for us. Had we won those and not given them the confidence they could beat mediocre teams, it's very possible neither would have won 10 games.
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I expect .500 this season. I expect a playoff berth next season. If, after three years under a five-year Holmgren regime, we can't make it to the postseason, then I'll start to believe that he has failed here.
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I honestly wasn't a huge Wright fan, but I think his moving on will have a big impact on the D (and therefore, our record).
Say what you want about the guy, but he was due for a big rebound this season. Having him lining at #2 or even #3 would be sweet. Many teams would kill for that kind of secondary (and apparently they did, seeing as he got interest from 12 different teams).
I guess my point is that our secondary was supposed to be one of the very few strengths we were going to have this year. I highly doubt we are able to find talent that will be able to play up to or better than was Wright would've done this year.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I expect .500 this season. I expect a playoff berth next season. If, after three years under a five-year Holmgren regime, we can't make it to the postseason, then I'll start to believe that he has failed here.
I think we'll struggle to win 5 games this year. Outside of Hillis and Watson, I think our entire offense is going to struggle.
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I think it all depends on how we start out... Week 1 versus Cincy, what kind of team they field, and if we can start off with some momentum for once...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I think it all depends on how we start out... Week 1 versus Cincy, what kind of team they field, and if we can start off with some momentum for once...
playing against a rookie QB and possibly w/o their starting RB (assuming Benson gets suspended for his latest arrest), I do like our chances.
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I think it all depends on how we start out... Week 1 versus Cincy, what kind of team they field, and if we can start off with some momentum for once...
playing against a rookie QB and possibly w/o their starting RB (assuming Benson gets suspended for his latest arrest), I do like our chances.
Tampa Bay...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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The Ragin Cajun was one of the worst FA signings by the Browns since 99.
No NFL team offered him a starting QB job other than the Browns.
Everyone wants to give Jake a pat on the back for "mentoring" McCoy.
Baloney.
McCoy is pretty wise beyond his years.
saying Jake help bring Colt along is just grasping at straws.
Jake collected a big paycheck and said all the right things,content just to cash in.
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Yes Rome was not built in a day yet for any building you MUST build a sound foundation.
A sound offensive foundation is determined by a clear eyed front office that makes wise choices that you can BUILD upon, other wise you are replacing bricks with bad bricks.
This is year two for Holmgren.
While herock conducted a solid draft last year the trades were not very good save one where we caught lightning in a bottle.
Jake was a horrible pickup and a total waste of money and Seneca is not a lot better.( wilts after his first mistake)
So this is a new year and we start it dumping Mangini Ryan for another rookie HC and get a "by the Book" DC. Is it an upgrade , we will see real soon.
Mangini?Ryan at least fielded a tough team yet I worry we took a BIG step back defensively letting Ryan walk. The NFL network can't say enough great thinks about the great influence Rob Ryan will have with a team that actually has talent(Warren Sapp alluded to that) a step back.
The front office says they will get Colt some Weapons.
we add a draft pick and sign no veteran help...Uh huh. so much for what we SAY.
The front office says Hillis need help at RB( the more intellectually adept may wonder why we gave away Jerome Harrison for the punch drunk Mike Bell but that was last year and had its predictable results) so we add a tippy toe wr/rb. I thought Hillis was to get help at RUNNING THE FOOTBALL. So we get a bizarro world AFC North opposite: so much for help with toting the rock.
The front office pencils in Pashos, another brilliant sign on the jake level( kicked off his last two teams for mediocre play and oft injured) and presto he is injured for us. Funny how reality works, yet he is our starter. we have poor right side oline blocking yet have signed NO ONE. Good luck keeping Colts shoulder intact with our blitz happy opponents licking their chops.
We cut Rogers so we have to make another fat DT our first round pick and bypass a really top OT in Gabe Carimi. WE do not resign Eric Wright and replace him with a NO cb who is not a four year starter yet has 4 starts in 4 years. yeah Rome was not built in a day yet I am hard pressed to say we are going to compete in our division with such top talent we have to face. It looks like we are once again writing this year off and with our horrid blocking, no help for Hillis and no wrs to scare anyone i see Colt as dead man walking.
Are you forgeting Hardesty? Yes, he was injured last year, but he is healthy right now. Until that changes, quit acting like he doesn't even exist.
Rogers was worthless last year. He had 1 good year here, and then he became the old Detroit Shaun Rogers. We needed rid of hima nd his huge salary.
We have 2 3rd year WRs, which is when the "light" supposedly comes on for WRs. They haven't been great players yet, but they haven't been god awful either. They did have Quinn and Anderson throwing them the ball after all. Notice how Robiskie was much improved last year AFTER Colt started playing?
I agree we need OL help, and it appears we are trying to get some too. We tried to talk with Colon yesterday but he resigned with the Steelers. I would not rule out Max Starks now that he has been cut.
And enough with the Usama Young comments. He wasn't a CB in New Orleans and you know it, you just keep making that comment to try to put him down. He was behind a Hall fo Fame FS while in New Orleans. he has the ability. Give hima chance and we will see.
Until Hardesty stays healthy I cannot pretend his long injury history is no concern. If I act as if he does not exist I am only hoping the Browns have other viable options and Hillis is not alone. I have a good friend who is a packer groupie and he chuckles about the stiff the browns signed.
I believe Rogers will show his worth in NO another year out from his devastating Achilles injury yet I understand your need to disagree.
The third years the light is "supposed" to come on. I have seen very little in the first two years from our wrs so i cannot believe in slogans. we have the worst set of WRS in the NFL and Colt needs help. None of our wrs would start anywhere else in the NFL yet a "magic" light is supposed to come on.
Max Starks, you're kidding I hope. I want an improvement over Pashos not a clone of him.
My bad I read he was a CB/S yet with four starts in four years I am not holding my breath we stole a future star and we let wright who has started most of four years walk. We took ANOTHER step back in the secondary.
This team has so many holes and we sit on our hands and do nothing. McCoy needs help and we still have the worst set of WRS. Hillis need help and we sign a guy with the breakaway punishing style of William Green. WE desperately need oline help or mcCoy will not last three games. But hey i am not stopping your excitement I want to drink what your having.
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but, they are the Bengals. if there is one constant, it is that we can rely on the Bengals self-destructing.
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The reply from Joe is "Oh great we overpaid for those bums, didn't bring in enough talent, and our front office and owner suck"
The post he would be replying to is "The Browns just signed Tom Brady, Payton Manning, Adrien Peterson, Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Andre Johnson, Darrelle Revis, Julius Peppers, Demarcus Ware, Chris Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Clay Matthews to 5 year contracts all for the Vet Min Salary, with no signing bonus"
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The reply from Joe is "Oh great we overpaid for those bums, didn't bring in enough talent, and our front office and owner suck"
The post he would be replying to is "The Browns just signed Tom Brady, Payton Manning, Adrien Peterson, Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Andre Johnson, Darrelle Revis, Julius Peppers, Demarcus Ware, Chris Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Clay Matthews to 5 year contracts all for the Vet Min Salary, with no signing bonus"
And they brought Paul Brown back to life as the new HC....
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