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Lets see how Rogers does in NO. I bet he has a bigger year than taylor. wanna bet?
NFL Networks warren sapp said of Ryan look what he did in Cleveland with what he had to work with and think about what he will do in Dallas. Again, lets see if we are in better shape on Defense this year vs last.
We were supposed to get Hillis help at RB, someone to tote the rock and we got a soft pass catcher, when in the game everyone knows what he will do.
Yeah its Hyperbole when i say we have done nothing in free agency, we have done almost nothing with a team riddled with holes, and unlike past years Lerner can't squat on his cash he has to SPEND it. Hillis still has no RB help, unless Hardesty miraculously comes through a season without injury and we are even more desperately thin in the secondary.
Our Oline situation is asking to get all our QBs in the hospital again. In a blitz happy division with crappy blocking on the right side and the worst set of WRS in the NFL< I stand by that until we add real talent, and Hillis alone as RB (unless marecic proves a wonder)...we are in serious trouble. I se slim chance Colt stays healthy beyond week 4.
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Except for the fact that Jackson has had at least some success in the NFL. Davis and Jennings were players who everyone thought was going to be good, but had done nothing.
Bell had some early success with Denver and then again with New Orleans. But he came into a very tough situation last year where he wasn't getting many carries and coming into a new offense.
Jackson will know the offense (very similar offense to Green Bay) and have a certain role that he excels at.
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Yes you do, especially if they aren't performing the way you want them too.. Especially if they are a cancer to the team.. Oh yeah, you do cut them loose.
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unlike past years Lerner can't squat on his cash he has to SPEND it.
This is wrong. He doesn't have to spend a dime this year or next if he doesn't want to.
Although, I will agree that our participation in Free Agency is tepid at best. Which is puzzling when you look at our roster.
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unlike past years Lerner can't squat on his cash he has to SPEND it.
This is wrong. He doesn't have to spend a dime this year or next if he doesn't want to.
Although, I will agree that our participation in Free Agency is tepid at best. Which is puzzling when you look at our roster.
LOL,, Joe won't understand that the minimums don't kick in for a couple of years.. But Mour posted an article about it.. More importantly,, when was it that Lerner was unwilling to spend money.. Joe is way off the mark in either case.
As for it being puzzling,, I'm not thinking that at all Otto,, I'm thinking it makes perfect sense given the overall goal of the organization to build through the draft.. it takes time and that's that.
I won't argue the merits of building that way.. it's exhausted already, but if that's the plan, then they seem to be following it.
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There are no "five year plans" anymore. That just doesn't cut it in today's NFL. At most, a fan base or an owner will give a FO 3 years to start hitting the playoffs. Unless you're Mike Brown and the Bengals....then you just care about money.
This team is sorely lacking in talent. Two years at 5-11 should be a solid hint that we pretty much suck as a football team.
Teams that suck need talent. We have very little. I'm all for building with the Draft. But that cannot and should not be the only way to get talent. Not if you want your team to be at least "good" before they leap to great.
I'm not saying grab every big name FA out there. But one or two high quality guys are not out of our reach financially. The fact that we don't appear to be even trying to haul in top notch talent is starting to worry me.
I have faith in H&H's abilities as football men. But that faith isn't blind. And it isn't everlasting. I don't expect a winner this year. But I do expect improvement over last year. If I don't see it I won't be bashful about voicing my displeasure.
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I felt we might go after one or two of the big named free agents but our concentration would be on the guys left after the whirlwind of free agency started to settle. Looks like we went after a couple but their asking price was way way way to high.
The dust is starting to settle and I fully expect the browns to begin filling holes with the B level free agents. Players will be eager to get signed and get into camp. The time is right for the Browns to begin making their moves.
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The only problem with that is that from what I've read it looks like the few big name guys that the Browns even bothered to contact were just so the FO could say, "See we talked to this guy but he was too expensive".
At roughly $35 million under the cap when this thing started I don't buy the "these guys want too much money" excuse. Not every time.
I usually don't worry about stuff like this. But this year I really am not liking what I'm seeing from the FO.
Maybe that will change. I hope so.
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Lets see how Rogers does in NO. I bet he has a bigger year than taylor. wanna bet?
NFL Networks warren sapp said of Ryan look what he did in Cleveland with what he had to work with and think about what he will do in Dallas. Again, lets see if we are in better shape on Defense this year vs last.
What exactly did Ryan do in Cleveland again? Maybe I missed something...Dallas' D was putrid..They were old and slow..Their CB's were a joke and the team all together is an overated bunch of Underachievers..Dallas was picked to win the SuperBowl last year..and like most years they fall way short.
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YES THERE IS! Philly is one, Green Bay is another, Detroit looks like it will be, KC is another, Houston, Tampa and now the Browns.
I think that NO MORE 5 year plans is a myth.
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I felt we might go after one or two of the big named free agents but our concentration would be on the guys left after the whirlwind of free agency started to settle. Looks like we went after a couple but their asking price was way way way to high.
The dust is starting to settle and I fully expect the browns to begin filling holes with the B level free agents. Players will be eager to get signed and get into camp. The time is right for the Browns to begin making their moves.
Some that r left...
DE- Cliff Avril, Derrick Harvey...
LB- Stephen Tulloch, Barrett Ruud...
CB- Antonio Cromartie, Brent Grimes, Chris Carr, Carlos Rogers...
S- Michael Huff, Donte Whitner...
WR- James Jones, Malcolm Floyd, Danny Amendola, Early Doucet, Steve Smith...
OL- Jamaal Brown, Ryan Harris, Justin Blalock, Barry Richardson, Ryan O'Callaghan, Womack and Yates...
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Why did you think that way.. I mean, Heckert has said from the onset, no big plans for FA pickups.. I mean, he said it...
The Browns have also made it very clear, they intend to build through the draft..
that's thier plan.. They seem to be sticking to it. even in the draft, nothing flashy. Just what appears to be solid football players with upside.
Sooner or later, probably when we get to a point (ala Philly for example) where we are a player or two from going all the way,, we'll see a completly different approach to FA.
Until then, the "rent a player' approach doesn't seem to be in thier plan.
I won't argue the merits of that plan.., it's been debated to death.. But if that's thier plan,, people shouldn't get all bent out of shape when the follow it.
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YES THERE IS! Philly is one, Green Bay is another, Detroit looks like it will be, KC is another, Houston, Tampa and now the Browns.
I think that NO MORE 5 year plans is a myth.
There's no 5 year plan here bc we didn't have the right regimes in place to do it properly, nor the patience of the fan base to wait.
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YES THERE IS! Philly is one, Green Bay is another, Detroit looks like it will be, KC is another, Houston, Tampa and now the Browns.
I think that NO MORE 5 year plans is a myth.
There's no 5 year plan here bc we didn't have the right regimes in place to do it properly, nor the patience of the fan base to wait.
I think there is now however...
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A five year plan is nothing but an excuse to suck for 4 years with an empty promise that the 5th year is really going to be something great.
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i agree, we seem (key word) to have better drafts and seem to be making less costly moves. I like the idea of signing guys that are in the 25-27 range that aren't going to require blockbuster deals. so what if they haven't had many starts? what if they've been stuck under a solid starter so far and they're hungry to get their own chance.
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Perhaps i should expand on my statement about there being no more 5 year plans.
While the FO certainly is making plans 3-5 years out into the future I do not believe that the old "slow and steady wins the race" philosophy can actually still be applied in most cases and certainly not here. Too many teams turn it around in 1-2 years for our team (or any long term losing team) to keep saying, "Just wait, next year will be better".
Long time winning franchises like the Colts and Steelers can afford to have one "off" year and still keep the fan base happy. That cannot happen here with our 5-11, 5-11, 10-6, 4-12 type history. Fans can be patient for only so long. And make no mistake about it we have been plenty patient.
I don't think it's hysterical to say I'm tired of losing, tired of excuses and if I don't see improvement this year then maybe I'm wasting my time and money watching the Browns.
I am still optimistic about this team. But the way Free Agency appears to be passing us by makes me leery about this year.
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I think that's what people say when they want other people to think there is no such thing as a 5 year plan,.
Nobody in thier right mind would say,,, hey,, we're going to call it a 5 year plan, but we intend to suck for 4 of them... That would be idiotic,
if done right,, you start out lousy like last year (5-11) and build from there improving in each succesive year.That's in a perfect world, but the world isn't perfect, we'll have a setback or two,, no question.
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So, if I read you right, we can expect to be SB contenders in 2014? Only 50 years (approx 9 Five-Year-Plans, considering the lost years) after our last championship. Excellent. Terrific.
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When you look at who was making the 5year plans its understandable why we've been so bad (at least recently)
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I guarantee you that Paul Brown, Blanton Collier, even Marty Schottenheimer, did not have 5 year plans. They expected to win. I agree with whoever posted that any given regime has a 3 year window to contend, or expect to be replaced. That means that Holmgren, Heckert, et al, better make some serious strides this year towards respectability.
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So, if I read you right, we can expect to be SB contenders in 2014? Only 50 years (approx 9 Five-Year-Plans, considering the lost years) after our last championship. Excellent. Terrific.
Do you really think that spending like mad men on FA's this year would really make it happen any sooner?
And even if it did, what would happen then. With money tied up in all the free agents, what do you do with Joe Thomas next year,, and Mack in a couple of years.. Then you don't have the money to keep your own guys.,
Then guess what, you are right back where you started.. Big deal,, I want a winner every year, it doesn't have to be a SB win every year, but a team to be proud of, a team that always seems to have a foundation on which to build to the next level..
look at Pitts, NE, Philly.. they are PRIME examples of this method.
Pittsburgh has been following this plan since 1969.. 3 head coaches, 8 superbowl appearences and 6 wins later, they still follow the same plan.. and they just keep winning.
so, techically, you are reading me right, but you are characterizing it in a fashion that makes it sound dumb.. and its just not.. IJMO, but you are being short sighted..,
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I would say next year is kind of our telling sign. Establish chemistry with our new schemes this year. Evaluate what we have and need. Go into the draft (two 1st rd picks! Plus whatever else we can add) and FA (next year we'll be a little bolder in FA i bet.) continuing to add core players and draft BPA, then 2013 (year 2.5 lol) we should at least be in the hunt for the playoffs 
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I know what you're saying, but I disagree on the amount of time it takes. Asomugha would have been a big step in the right direction, so yeah, I do think it would make a big difference to go balls out - within cap restraints - in FA to improve this team in key areas.
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web page The ‘Daily’ lesson Posted by Vic Carucci on July 30, 2011 – 4:56 am By Vic Carucci, Senior Editor Here’s what we learned from Friday night’s edition of “Cleveland Browns Daily, Driven By Liberty Ford”: –Gil Haskell, the Browns’ senior advisor to president Mike Holmgren, is bullish on the chances for success of the West Coast offense succeeding here. “Forty-niners, Super Bowl,” Haskell said. “Green Bay, Super Bowl. Philadelphia, lost in the Super Bowl. Tampa Bay, same offense, Super Bowl. The system works. So now, we’re putting that same system in and we just have to have patience to make sure we stay with it – and we won’t vary from it at all – but we just have to make the players understand (success) is coming.” –Ace returner Joshua Cribbs sees no reason why he shouldn’t be as highly regarded as a wide receiver as he is returning kicks. “Definitely so,” Cribbs said. “I want to be seen as a threat when I’m on the football field. I don’t want to have to be looked at as, ‘Oh, he’s a wide receiver now; he’s not that much of a threat.’ I am a threat. I’m on the football field, I can possibly get that football. And when I get the football, I feel like, ‘You’d better strap your helmet on tight. Make sure your chinstrap’s buckled up because I’m going to take you for a ride.’” –Given that the Browns are making a full-time shift to the West Coast offense and are converting from a 3-4 to a 4-3 defense, Haskell said it was important to guard against overwhelming the players on that side of the ball with too much of the playbook too soon. “You’ve got a young quarterback (Colt McCoy) (and) you’ve got a veteran quarterback behind him (Seneca Wallace) who knows the offense very well, and then on defense you’ve got a whole new system,” Haskell said. “So you’ve got to say, ‘What do I need for the first preseason game? What do I have Colt call in the first preseason game? I’ve got to practice those plays.’ I can’t say, ‘I’m practicing for the first league game,’ because I’ve got to build up to that. We’re starting from scratch here. We can’t overload (the players) and we can’t overload the coaches.” –Cribbs makes no attempt to hide his unhappiness with offseason rules changes the NFL made that figure to make it more difficult for game-breaking returns. However, he said, “I’m a football player, it’s my job, I have to go out there regardless of the rules, regardless of the changes, and play football.” –Pro Bowl offensive tackle Joe Thomas said the Browns’ new offense has “totally different terminology” from what he has known during his previous four seasons in Cleveland. “But I still think football’s football,” he said. “Almost every team out there is running a lot of the same plays. It’s just learning the new words for the different plays, formations, the calls. But for the most part, it’s the same plays.” –“Winning ballgames” is, according to Cribbs, the constant message that the new coaching staff has hammered into the heads of Browns players. “Nothing else matters but winning ballgames,” Cribbs said. “It seems like every time we have a discussion, they end the sentence with, ‘because we’ve got to win ballgames.’ So I’m talking to coaches, and say, ‘Hey, what did you eat for breakfast?’ (and they answer) ‘I had toast and (cereal) … and we’ve got to win ballgames.’” –Thomas on the second-year version of McCoy: “I think he’s walking in the building this year as the leader, as the starting quarterback, whereas last year he was kind of walking in as a third-round pick. He was the third quarterback. Everybody thought he was going to have a couple of years before he’d get his chance to play. It was kind of like he was walking in a library and he just wanted to learn. He wasn’t going to try to steal the thunder from anybody else. Being thrust into that position was a little bit tough in the middle of the year, but he did great and now he’s walking in with that leadership role. And I’m excited to see what he does.” –Cribbs on McCoy: “He’s a very different guy because that confidence is there — knowing that ‘I’ve done it before. I was thrown into the fire and I didn’t falter.’” –With a healthy Montario Hardesty and other contributors, Thomas said he expects “more success” than last season from the Browns’ running game. “Because Peyton (Hillis) was kind of our one-trick pony last year (after Hardesty suffered a knee injury) and we kind of relied on him,” Thomas said. “But having a couple of other guys to ease the load and give a little change of pace is going to be really nice.”
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I know what you're saying, but I disagree on the amount of time it takes. Asomugha would have been a big step in the right direction, so yeah, I do think it would make a big difference to go balls out - within cap restraints - in FA to improve this team in key areas.
I don't think there is any question that Asomugha would be a welcome addition.. you won't get an argument out of me. Except to say that he's been with Oakland for 8 years.. how many superbowls had they won in that period of time?
And I think it's safe to say that talent wise, we are closer to Oakland then we are to Philly. do you see the simalarity?
On the other hand, if we were as sound and solid a team as Phillly, I'd be all over him.
What's funny is, Pitts was in the SB last season.. they could have easily let Ike Taylor leave and gone after Asomuga,, yet, they decided to keep thier own guy..
Sorry to keep bringing Pittsburgh up, but truth be told, they are a franchise to be admired for the way they go about thier business. Love them or hate them, they do things that work....
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LOL,, I listened to that show this morning and Cribbs was funny as hell,.
Joe thomas is one very bright guy... Haskell makes it sound hard but worth it.
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I think that NO MORE 5 year plans is a myth.
yes but all those teams showed progress in the 2nd year of their 5 year programs...the Browns have been terrible...
Scott Pioli is the guy I wanted...Lerner blew it..and it doesn't look like I was wrong either...Pioli's drafts in KC have been fantastic, and he won the AFc West division title in only the second year....
there is reason Bellichik tried everything under the sun to talk Pioli out of leaving...Pioli was the only guy Bellichik has ever tried to keep.
I'd Take Pioli over Holmgren and Heckert in the office anyday.....KC will be a team that competes and will be in the mix for a division title every year...if you can do that...you have a shot once you get into the PO's....
Pioli brought in difference makers from day one and made it be known he was there to compete and there to win even if they were building....the Browns have only brought in 1 difference maker..Hillis...and Hillis was the guy Mangini wanted since his days in Jet's land....
I hope Holmgren and Heckert can field a competitive team this year...i'd be happy with 8 wins...im not asking for much...im aksing for a mere .500 record and progress....but im not getting my hopes up.....
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akjo...Rogers is capable...didn't put out after his first season with the Browns...head case...lazy...a cancer due to the example he sets for young players.
BTW, who would not expect a probowler to have a better year than a green rookie?...you are really going out on a limb with your "wanna bet".
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akjo...still crying because Ryan was not retained.
The Browns switched to a 4-3 defense...Ryan is a 3-4 coach...do you get it?
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We were supposed to get Hillis help at RB, someone to tote the rock and we got a soft pass catcher, when in the game everyone knows what he will do.
akjo...this quote...might be the best and most inaccurate of all of these akjo comments.
Brandon Jackson is listed at 5-10, 216...ran for 703 yds last season in 13 starts...and you call that "soft". Obviously you know nothing about Brandon Jackson.
Jackson can also catch the football, adding 342 yds last season playing in a WEST COAST OFFENSE.
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Our Oline situation is asking to get all our QBs in the hospital again. In a blitz happy division with crappy blocking on the right side and the worst set of WRS in the NFL< I stand by that until we add real talent, and Hillis alone as RB (unless marecic proves a wonder)...we are in serious trouble. I se slim chance Colt stays healthy beyond week 4.
akjo...yep, the Browns right side of the OL suffered some injuries last season. In the NFL, front offices never know when one of their players is going to go down. If Pashos can't stay healthy, he might be done in the NFL...but let's not pretend the guy can't play, when healthy.
For those who believe Pashos is a bust, keep in mind, in 06, 07 and 08, Pashos started 16 games, 15 games and 16 games at RT. The past two seasons, he has been sidelined with various injuries and started just 5 games for the Browns last season.
The Browns have Shaun Lauvao at RG..his position to lose.
The Browns drafted OT Pinkston in the 5th round and have young talent backing up every OL position..competition should be outstanding to see who sticks.
ENOUGH...nothing I hate worse than trying to reason with someone who reeks of negativism and lives in a world of woulda, coulda, shoulda...
The Browns are a team changing direction under the leadership of some pretty experienced people...Holmgren and Heckert. They are rebuilding this franchise, improving both the front office as well as the roster...and it will take some time. How much time...who knows...but you do have to give those involved in remaking this franchise enough time to prove themselves.
A new HC/OC, a new DC and new playbooks on both sides of the ball...those are the facts...deal with the reality of where the Browns are today..at the beginning the 2011 season...and...PLEASE STOP THE CRYING...OK?...
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If they are really that big into winning, then the coaching staff and front office must know something that I don't.
We don't have the depth or the talent to be focused on winning. So either Heckert has some signings lined up or this is media spin.
My money is on media spin.
you had a good run Hank.
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yes but all those teams showed progress in the 2nd year of their 5 year programs...the Browns have been terrible...
We are about to commence the second year of the plan.. you are right, it hasn't worked in the past.. But we have different people running the show this time.., Both are high profile, both have seen success with this method and both have the blessing of the owner to get it done..
You remind me of a person that says "whats for dinner" and when told it won't be ready for another hour, still insists on tasting it now.. then you have then nerve to complain that it's not done yet. 
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Scott Pioli is the guy I wanted...Lerner blew it..and it doesn't look like I was wrong either...Pioli's
OHHHHHHHH, let's everyone kiss KoB's butt now because in hindsight, he APPEARS to be right... wow,,, incredible..
hey, what stock isn't going to drop if we don't get an increase debt ceiling next week?
while your at it, tell me which team is going to win the SB next season and also,, since you have the time, what are the Power Ball numbers going to be for tonight..
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Pioli's drafts in KC have been fantastic
Pioli's first draft was 2009. He took Tyson Jackson third overall. I know it is hard to judge if 3-4 ends are good are not by looking at their stats. But this one really sticks out to me. Jackson played in fourteen games last year and only started in three of them. So he's not been a great pick. The others in that draft I have never even heard of besides the kicker Ryan Succop.
Mangini also drafted a team in 2009. He traded down and selected Alex Mack with his first pick. A near All-Pro center. The jury is obviously still out on Robiske and Massaquoi. But Maiava should thrive in this new defense. That's four guys who have at least contributed, unlike Pioli's draft where he only has two guys that have done anything.
In 2010 Pioli did a little better. He had a no-brainer pick in Eric Berry at number five overall. He then took Dexter McCluster in the second round. McCluster had 200 receiving yards last season in eleven games played. The Chiefs then drafted Baldwin this year and signed Breaston. Where is McCluster going to play? Tony Moeaki and Kendrick Lewis were both great picks as both started most the the Chiefs games as rookies.
In 2010 our new general manager (Tom Heckert) drafted Joe Haden at pick seven. That looks to be as great of a pick as the Eric Berry pick. We also drafted T.J. Ward and Colt McCoy. Ward was an above-average NFL starter as a rookie. Colt McCoy is potentially a franchise QB drafted in the third round. And he is at the very least a very good backup quarterback, something that is very important to have in the NFL. Lauvao should start this season at right guard. And hopefully Hardesty is healthy. Without those two guys succeeding we probably had a worse draft than the Chiefs. But if they do succeed we blew them out of the water.
I don't want to judge the 2011 draft because we haven't seen any of those players play an NFL game. But from the looks of it we did pretty well, especially when you consider the picks we got in the 2012 draft.
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and he won the AFc West division title in only the second year
The Chiefs lucked into that title. The Chargers were clearly the better team but blew three or four games on special teams. The Chiefs were 2-4 in their division and somehow managed to win it.
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KC will be a team that competes and will be in the mix for a division title every year
Because the Raiders and Broncos are not very good.
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Pioli brought in difference makers from day one
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the Browns have only brought in 1 difference maker
Through trade, the draft, and free agency?
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There are no "five year plans" anymore.
YES THERE IS! Philly is one, Green Bay is another, Detroit looks like it will be, KC is another, Houston, Tampa and now the Browns.
I think that NO MORE 5 year plans is a myth.
Philly: >.500 the past 5 years
Green Bay: >.500 4/5 past years
Detroit: 18 total wins past 5 years
KC: >.500 1/5 past 5 years
Houston: >.500 3/5 past years
Tampa: >.500 3/5 past years
Every team you listed has either been consistently above .500 (even if just so), or has flat out stunk and you are merely speculating that they'll be better. I don't think, personally, that asking for this team to go .500 this year is an unreasonable request.
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–“Winning ballgames” is, according to Cribbs, the constant message that the new coaching staff has hammered into the heads of Browns players. “Nothing else matters but winning ballgames,” Cribbs said. “It seems like every time we have a discussion, they end the sentence with, ‘because we’ve got to win ballgames.’ So I’m talking to coaches, and say, ‘Hey, what did you eat for breakfast?’ (and they answer) ‘I had toast and (cereal) … and we’ve got to win ballgames.’”
Funny...what the Hell do Pat Shurmer and Dick Jauron know about winning football games?
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Shurmur was the Eagles and they won a bunch. Jauron was not a successful head coach at any stop but he did have one 13-3 year with the Bears.
I don't know if either know how to make a team win, but they've definitely experienced winning.
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What's funny is, Pitts was in the SB last season.. they could have easily let Ike Taylor leave and gone after Asomuga,, yet, they decided to keep thier own guy..
Sorry to keep bringing Pittsburgh up, but truth be told, they are a franchise to be admired for the way they go about thier business. Love them or hate them, they do things that work....
Part of the reason is that Pittsburgh has players tied up in huge contracts and can't really afford to bring on a guy like Asomugha.
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Pittsburgh as never really spent big on free agents.
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What's funny is, Pitts was in the SB last season.. they could have easily let Ike Taylor leave and gone after Asomuga,, yet, they decided to keep thier own guy..
Sorry to keep bringing Pittsburgh up, but truth be told, they are a franchise to be admired for the way they go about thier business. Love them or hate them, they do things that work....
Part of the reason is that Pittsburgh has players tied up in huge contracts and can't really afford to bring on a guy like Asomugha.
yeah,, that's my point, they lock up guys that they drafted and then they don't need to go after big buck FA's.
that's where I want us to be, but if we go out and blow our wad on FA's now when we really don't have the talent to contend, then we'll never get there.
At some point, you have to stop the merry go round.
JMO, but, I think now is as good a time as any.
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We are about to commence the second year of the plan.. you are right, it hasn't worked in the past.. But we have different people running the show this time.., Both are high profile, both have seen success with this method and both have the blessing of the owner to get it done..
You remind me of a person that says "whats for dinner" and when told it won't be ready for another hour, still insists on tasting it now.. then you have then nerve to complain that it's not done yet.
come on now, thats not true...historically speaking, Holmgren's ONLY run in the Front Office was a diaster in Seattle he sucked...it was only when those powers were taken away from Holmgren and he focused on coaching did they do well...the only thing holmgren has proven that he is good at is being a Head coach...thats it.
Heckert was GM in title only in Philly, Andy Reid had final say on all roster moves and player personnel....all Heckert did was scout and give recommendations, the final ay was on Reid....how many times did Reid not listen to Heckert? we have no idea....If Heckert was so valuable and such a "great" GM then theres no way Philly would have let him leave....Heckert is still unproven and it will be another 2 years before we even know if Heckerts 09 draft was any good or not.
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OHHHHHHHH, let's everyone kiss KoB's butt now because in hindsight, he APPEARS to be right... wow,,, incredible..
hey, what stock isn't going to drop if we don't get an increase debt ceiling next week?
while your at it, tell me which team is going to win the SB next season and also,, since you have the time, what are the Power Ball numbers going to be for tonight..
thats not true at all, i hav enot seen this front office do anything yet to try and win....the goal is to try and win as much as possible...this whole "oh lets develop players and lose for a few years" breeds losing mentality...and thats not acceptable...
your goal is always to win...if thats not your goal, you don't belong in the NFL.....now if we had somewhat or a winning record lst year and Holmgren as coach was comfortable with what he had and thought we only needed a few mid-tier guys that would be different, but thats not the case at all.
You know Phil Savage and Romeo Crennelll were not the best by a longshot, but you know what...atleast Phil Savage wanted to win....ok...yes he made a few mistakes, but the man was commited to winning no matter what...
after our 10-6 season in 07...he saw that our Defense was garbage, so he traded for Corey Williams(who was a beast for GB) and brought in Shawn Rogers(who was a monster) to bolster our poor pathetic D Front 7...
He already had 2 1,000 yard premeir ball catchers in Winslow and Edwards and at the time(no one can read the future) but at the time he had what appeared to be a decent young up and coming QB in Anderson who had a pretty good year, and a 1st rd pick named Quinn on the bench.....we had a good O....Savage was pushing D because he thought we had a chance at competing for the title....if we had Rogers and Williams in 07 we would have beaten Pittsburgh and won the division title....with that offense.
As much as i hated butch davis, and he made mistakes but by god that man wanted to win....win....
Look im not saying we should have went out and broke the bank on Fa and such....but this team needs talent...the draft can only take you so far...and its a crapshoot at best beyond the 1st and early 2nd rds...
I mean we brought in Jake for petes sake and he sucked beyond sucked...and look what we paid him...my god man....EVERYONE in the league knew he sucked...and we signed him anyways....
As i said Daman, don't misunderstand me....i just want to win...thats all nothing more...im tired of losing every year...i want to see a solid commitment to winning from this team....but our WR, LB, DE, CB, and S are huge concerns right now...there are some decent guys out there we could get to address a few of these areas and continue to build...i don't want to see another 4-12 or 5-11 season...thats nonsense...im sick and tired of this losing mentality here....we have to have the goal of winning and try to bring in guys that can help us...we have to atleast try for petes sake...thats all im asking....
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come on now, thats not true...
Oh yeah, it is..
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