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So, with Wright gone, CB is our biggest need.
We have tons of available $$$.
Why not go after Asomugha?
The Jets are working out a deal with him now. We have no chance and he'd cost too much money.
In looking at the remaining available free agent DB's.....ugh. Wright wasn't great but he was ours.
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Ok, what's done is done, so who's left on your wish lists?
Any word on Mike Sims Walker? Gotta think where there's smoke there's fire on the Ray Edwards front.
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Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson would look really nice in Brown and Orange.
Neither should cost a ton, but they are both really solid.
*Barnett is still my choice at LB. I would prefer him at MLB and D'Qwell at WOLB as I don't know how we can trust DQ at this point.
*Avril is still my choice at DE but I suspect Detroit will resign him.
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I would see about acquiring Trevard Lindley from the Eagles.
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Former Browns CB who was average (I would have liked to re-sign him, I'm not saying he's terrible, but he's average), signing with the Lions, where he'll probably be forgotten in 2 years?
Leigh Bodden, anyone?
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Leigh Bodden is a starter for the PAts when he's not injured.
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Forgot about Carlos Rogers. When healthy he is a terrific corner.
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Forgot about Carlos Rogers. When healthy he is a terrific corner.
yeah, and he won't command the money because he catches the ball worse than a teenage girl that just had her nails done, but he can cover with the best of them and help on the run game as well.
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Another average corner has left the Browns & signed elsewhere, We will go out & sign another average corner to spot start & Back-up, Wright did many things good but had his problems, but now he's a lion
Time to move on.....
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Another redskin I would like to see us go after is Jamaal Brown. Ideal OT for this system.
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The guy has played for what, 4 years and you pick out perhaps the worst plays he's ever had and say,, See,. what did I tell you, he's terrible.
I would bet you that you could take any probowl level guy and find two or three or 10 plays where he got burnt yet you wouldn't necessaraly call them a bust,
Cracks me up.
Daman...how about defending Eric Wright's play in the two videos posted? Break the plays down...what do you see.
I'm focused on "the why" these are bad plays by Eric Wright.
I see Wright's problem being deep inside his chest...a lack of desire...
...OR, as someone else pointed out, the problem might be deep inside Eric's head...a head case.
Do keep in mind, I'm not anti-Eric Wright...I liked the draft pick...waited for him to develop...saw improvement at times...but over the last two seasons, his play declined...showing something that is rarely seen at the NFL level...to put it as nice as I can, Wright showed a lack of desire...
That is something a coach cannot teach a player...you either have the desire to play football or you don't.
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um, why?
My faith in the FO is dwindling all the time.
*cue D-shot telling me i don't know what I'm talking about*
Ok,, if that's what you really want., But I wouldn't mean it 
But please tell me why you are losing faith in the FO over this signing?
Overpaying for third-stringers is a sure way to get zero compensatory picks. For that much money they may have been able to get Ricky Williams.
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I liked Wright and wish him good fortune in Detroit. Bottom line, he was a corner with shattered confidence and it is 50/50 at best whether he ever recovers it or not. He gave us 3 good years and 1 horrible year.
Browns have always had luck in finding decent corners. We will manage. Problem is we have consistently asked our corners to cover without a pass rush. Until we can get fairly consistent pressure, it doesnt matter who lines up opposite Joe.
Good call on that one. Pass rush needed. I am more concerned with that than a corner.
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Another redskin I would like to see us go after is Jamaal Brown. Ideal OT for this system.
Sure, but problem is....someone will be desperate enough to give him LT-money..and maybe even play him there...don't think we can match...doesn't make sense with already so much money tied up into the OL...I think Pashos' competition will be Pinkston and maybe a Womack-like FA...that's it, for good or bad...it's a developmental year anyway...only position I'd spend money on is SDE right now...we really NEED 1 there...so Edwards is the onyl big money guy I'd go after
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he'd be interesting. unfortunately, it seems our FO wants to go with Pashos and pray he stays healthy with Womack backing him up again (unless they just aren't telling us in case they miss out on whatever RT they really want).
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Oh and we added a corner with 4 starts in four years. Exciting.
That's the problem with fans like you and the others who say we aren't doing anything.....you want exciting.
First, how do you or anybody else know we aren't trying to sign players?
Hello.....players have to want to sign here. Maybe some of the guys we offered simply didn't want to play for the Browns.
As to our free agents....I am sure we have offered all the guys we would like to keep.
Again, that doesn't mean those guys are going to sign on the spot. Many are going to want to see if they get better offers.
I suspect when it is all over we will have impacted our team as much as any other team.
The Problem "with fans like me"?
Then you put YOUR words into MY mouth. I don't care about exciting I care about moves that really upgrade the team.
I do not think letting Eric Wright walk after four years of starts and getting a CB who started FOUR TIMES IN FOUR YEARS IS AN UPGRADE. You may make that jump in logic yet to me it seems, well puzzling.
This team has never kept the talent it develops and is always starting over.
I finally agree with you about why would players want to play for a team that has been on rebuild for a dozen years. Why would you want to play for a team that does not keep players it develops just to plug in the next quick fix. Eric Wright is a FAR better player than the yard sale CB we picked up, despite the problem he had last year.
And the RB from GB will make you check his number twice since you will swear you just saw Mike Bell at RB.
I have been a fan since 1964. I am disgusted when I see a front office make hollow pronouncements. WE need help at WR and we sign No One. WE pencil in oft injured Tony Pashos as our RT, good luck staying healthy Colt. Hillis needs help at RB so we get a poor mans third down receiver/rb leaving Hillis no better than with Mike Bell.
WE have holes now add CB, FS, LB( we need several) DE, ORT, ORG, WR, RB and we get a minimal talent CB and a minimal talent RB. Who boy I sho am excited gimme some Orage Kool Ade so's i can be as happy as you.
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Daman...how about defending Eric Wright's play in the two videos posted? Break the plays down...what do you see.
Can't really defend those plays.,., they weren't good at all..
But they are not Wrights entire career which is what you make them out to be. You hold out those two plays and say,,, SEE.,. he sucks.. As if that's the only plays he's been in on.. As if he's never made a good play.
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No you aren't.. your only focus (just like your politics) is to pick a side, and find anything that supports that side. Anything that supports an alternative view is thought (by you) to be unreliable.
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Hillis needs help at RB so we get a poor mans third down receiver/rb leaving Hillis no better than with Mike Bell.
I agree we overpaid for Brandon Jackson, but he is a much better 3rd down back than Mike Bell. He's not anything more than a 3rd down back, but at least his skillset fits that job.
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WE have holes now add CB, FS, LB( we need several) DE, ORT, ORG, WR, RB and we get a minimal talent CB and a minimal talent RB.
well, Usama was switched to FS by NO and backed up Sharper and Jenkins. So, at least say minimal talent S 
I agree we need to sign a CB3 (preferably a CB2 to push Sheldon to CB3, but the market will be tough on those).
We should resign Yates and Womack and with Lauvaou as well, ORG is not a position of need.
The other positions are indeed areas we need to address unless we get a ton of improvement from those already there (which is tough to count on).
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I would love Carlos Rogers. He has hands of stone but is a very good coverage corner. And though Antonio Cromartie has his (negative) moments, he was very good last year and could be even better. Richard Marshall would be a good signing as well.
I expect to add Ray Edwards today and hopefully a cornerback. It wasn't widely reported, but the Browns were in on the Jon Joseph sweepstakes.
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Eric Wright is a FAR better player than the yard sale CB we picked up, despite the problem he had last year.
And the RB from GB will make you check his number twice since you will swear you just saw Mike Bell at RB.
Thanks Joe! I expect huge things from those guys this year now..LOL If they turn out anything like last years Ham Sandwich we will be doing ok. I might think about picking him up in Fantasy now..Just Messin.
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We don't have a hole at RG and FS. Let the guys freaking play akronjoe.
Brandon Jackson will contribute a LOT more than Mike Bell imo
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The Problem "with fans like me"?
Then you put YOUR words into MY mouth. I don't care about exciting I care about moves that really upgrade the team.
I do not think letting Eric Wright walk after four years of starts and getting a CB who started FOUR TIMES IN FOUR YEARS IS AN UPGRADE. You may make that jump in logic yet to me it seems, well puzzling.
This team has never kept the talent it develops and is always starting over.
I finally agree with you about why would players want to play for a team that has been on rebuild for a dozen years. Why would you want to play for a team that does not keep players it develops just to plug in the next quick fix. Eric Wright is a FAR better player than the yard sale CB we picked up, despite the problem he had last year.
And the RB from GB will make you check his number twice since you will swear you just saw Mike Bell at RB.
I have been a fan since 1964. I am disgusted when I see a front office make hollow pronouncements. WE need help at WR and we sign No One. WE pencil in oft injured Tony Pashos as our RT, good luck staying healthy Colt. Hillis needs help at RB so we get a poor mans third down receiver/rb leaving Hillis no better than with Mike Bell.
WE have holes now add CB, FS, LB( we need several) DE, ORT, ORG, WR, RB and we get a minimal talent CB and a minimal talent RB. Who boy I sho am excited gimme some Orage Kool Ade so's i can be as happy as you.
Young got 4 starts in 4 years because he was moved to FS, and the Saints just happened to have had a Hall of Famer there in Darren Sharper, and a former 1st rounder in Malcolm Jenkins. He may or may not work out, but when the best FS on the market is Weddle, and he isn't a Pro Bowl caliber player, and he becomes the highest paid S in history, then you are going to pay out the whazoo for the next guy down the line, and he won't even be as good as Weddle. Why not take a chance on a guy who is developing and has everything you need to be a good player, especially with Jauron on board now.
And for Jackson, he is going to be a 3rd string RB. He doesn't have to be the greatest player ever. He is a decent RB, and a great pass catcher and blocker.
And rumor has it that we are trying to get Ray Edwards for DE help, and I wouldn't rule out a CB signing soon. It may not be up to your standards, but we will get a good player.
And we tried to get OL help yesterday, but Colon resigned with the Steelers.
You can't just claim that the front office isn't trying when you have no idea. Just because they aren't spending wildly on everyone like Washington does does not mean they aren't trying to upgrade positions of needs.
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I want Ray Edwards and Marshall.
After that, re-sign young players. Take some fliers on WR'ers.
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1. Usama Young is a depth pick who cost little. Its a non-move.
2. We will regret letting Eric Wright get away. All-pro? No...but a solid cover corner. Can;t believe how many folks drank the hater-ade for one sub-par season that was based on one REALLY poor game.
3. Brandon Jackson > Mike Bell. Its not an upgrade that makes us stand and take notice but its still an upgrade.
I don't think Roy Williams to the Bears is official yet. I'd be taking a very hard look at that. We need a reliable PROVEN receiver to help Colt's development.
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BEREA -- The Browns didn't expect to be in the free agent market for cornerbacks until Eric Wright accepted an offer from the Detroit Lions. Now what? First they have to decide if they want to pursue a starter better than their own Sheldon Brown or a third cornerback, which was the role Wright projected with them. The market for cornerbacks has been hot. Taken off already have been Cincinnati's Johnathan Joseph (to Houston), Ike Taylor (Pittsburgh) and Drayton Florence (Buffalo). But there are dozen of free agent cornerbacks still available, including high-priced starters such as Oakland's Nnamdi Asomugha, the Jets' Antonio Cromartie and Washington's Carlos Rogers. An obvious choice would be native Clevelander Nate Webster, who was recently released by San Francisco because of a huge contract signed in 2007. Webster is 30 and would certainly challenge as a starter with the Browns. Richard Marshall of Carolina is an interesting option. He's 26 and still on the rise as a player. Agent Drew Rosenhaus is said to be banking on a big contract for Marshall and the Panthers already have spent aggressively this week to retain defensive end Charles Johnson, linebacker Jon Beason and running back DeAngelo Williams. After Marshall, the market drops off. Among the cornerbacks unsigned are: Chris Carr and Fabian Washington of Baltimore, former Eagle Lito Sheppard of Minnesota, Leigh Torrence of New Orleans and William Gay of Pittsburgh. Webster?
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/07/cleveland_browns_have_lots_of.html
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I would love to add Ray Edwards and either Carlos Rogers or Richard Marshall. Maybe some DT depth and another speedier LB and I'll be excited to see the defense take the field.
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Did he mean Nate Clements?
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I do not think letting Eric Wright walk after four years of starts and getting a CB who started FOUR TIMES IN FOUR YEARS IS AN UPGRADE.
I am in no way comparing the two's ability just the situation but look at James Harrison. Signed as a UDFA. Spent the year on the practice squad and special teams. Was cut. Signed by the Ravens. Sent to NFL Europe. Was cut again. Was about to retire. Steelers had an injury and was short at LB. Signed Harrison again. Still was only a back-up and special teams player. Then when Tomlin got the HC job he cut Porter and gave Harrison the starting job.
So just because someone has been around for a few years and hasn't had many start doesn't mean they suck. The guy stuck around in the league and was good enough to be depth behind a pro-bowl safety. Let's give the guy a shot before we call him a ham sandwich.
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yes he did. in fact he already has changed it. with no editor it is easy to make simple mistakes and this was one of them.
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yes he did. in fact he already has changed it. with no editor it is easy to make simple mistakes and this was one of them.
Cool,,, Thanks P..
So, would you want Clements? Right price, I'd not see much wrong with it really.
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Let's not bring in guys just because they have Ohio roots. Let's bring in guys who are actually going to help us.
And as for releasing Wright, I seem to remember people being up in arms when Bodden left. He hasn't been a total bum, but he also hasn't been the stud that many held him out to be when he left.
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And as for releasing Wright, I seem to remember people being up in arms when Bodden left. He hasn't been a total bum, but he also hasn't been the stud that many held him out to be when he left.
Wait,, did I miss something,, was Wright released or was he a FA that was signed by Detroit?
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Young will be the starting FS. It's being said by Grossi, MKC, and pretty much everyone. He isn't great, but was blocked in New Orleans.
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Let's not bring in guys just because they have Ohio roots. Let's bring in guys who are actually going to help us.
And as for releasing Wright, I seem to remember people being up in arms when Bodden left. He hasn't been a total bum, but he also hasn't been the stud that many held him out to be when he left.
Wait,, did I miss something,, was Wright released or was he a FA that was signed by Detroit?
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