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I had, but admittedly it was only because he was a black punter. Don't remember there being one since Reggie Roby. I'm sure there were, but nobody is coming to mind. I wonder how bad Hodges got picked on in college 
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Well, he was on the team...and anyone on the team gets attention from the ladies. Right?  So any guff he got was still worth it. And heck, he still made it to the pro's.
I'm not sure many women dream of dating the punter though.
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i'll bet at parties in college he was the 'backup QB'
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We have a black punter  and to think I just saw Brown and Orange 
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Yeah, isn't that odd? I never even gave it a thought.
We're going to miss him.
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Browns make roster moves
Posted 2 hours ago
aaThe Browns made a series of roster moves, the team announced Wednesday evening.
The Cleveland Browns today signed unrestricted free agent defensive back Dimitri Patterson, who spent the past two years with the Philadelphia Eagles. The club also signed free agent punter Richmond McGee and undrafted free agent linebackers Archie Donald and Eric Gordon. In addition, the team placed punter Reggie Hodges on injured reserve and waived linebackers Derrick Addai and Alex Wujciak.
Originally signed by Washington as an undrafted free agent in 2005, Patterson has appeared in 50 regular season contests during his time with the Redskins (2005), Chiefs (2007-08) and Eagles (2009-10). He has totaled 64 career tackles, one sack, one forced fumble and five interceptions, including one that he returned 40-yards for a touchdown last season. In 2010, he started nine of the 16 games in which he appeared and registered career-highs in tackles (62) and interceptions (4), while also recording his first career sack. Patterson transferred to Tuskegee University (2004) after spending three years at Southeast Missouri State University (2001-03). He is a native of Orlando, Fla., where he attended Evans High School.
Originally signed as an undrafted free agent by Philadelphia in 2008, McGee has spent training camps with the Eagles (2008) and the Bßars (2009-10). He was in camp with Chicago this year before being waived on August 1. Last season, he had a brief stint on the Bears’ practice squad. McGee handled the punting and kickoff duties during his collegiate career at the University of Texas (2002-05), where he booted 130 punts for a 39.6 average. He is a native of Garland, Texas where he attended Garland High School.
Donald led the University of Toledo (2006, 2008-10) in tackles in each of his final three seasons. In his collegiate career, he recorded five sacks, five interceptions and 424 tackles, which rank sixth all-time at UT. Donald is a native of Pittsburgh, Pa., where he attended Penn Hills High School.
Gordon was a four-year letterman at Michigan State University (2007-10), where he started 49 of his 51 career contests. He totaled 331 career tackles and 9.5 sacks. His 49 starts set an MSU record. Gordon was in camp this year with the Jaguars before being waived on August 1. He is a native of Traverse City Mich., where he attended Traverse City West High School.
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Aug. 04, 2011 11:23 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Steinbach returns to practice LG Eric Steinbach (knee) has returned to practice. He could be held out of full-contact drills in pads later. Browns RapidReports from CBSSports
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Aug. 04, 2011 11:23 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Steinbach returns to practice
LG Eric Steinbach (knee) has returned to practice. He could be held out of full-contact drills in pads later. Browns RapidReports
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Aug. 04, 2011 11:32 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - RB Hardesty back in practice after 2 days of rest
RB Montario Hardesty is back after coach Pat Shurmur gave him two precautionary days off. Hardesty, who figures prominently in the plans as a change-of-pace back, missed 2010 with a knee injury. Browns RapidReports
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Aug. 04, 2011 11:23 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Steinbach returns to practice
LG Eric Steinbach (knee) has returned to practice. He could be held out of full-contact drills in pads later. Browns RapidReports
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Aug. 04, 2011 11:32 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - RB Hardesty back in practice after 2 days of rest
RB Montario Hardesty is back after coach Pat Shurmur gave him two precautionary days off. Hardesty, who figures prominently in the plans as a change-of-pace back, missed 2010 with a knee injury. Browns RapidReports
That's good news... 
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Also liked in the link about Sheard going against Thomas every day in practice. That should help him a ton. If he can figure out how to get around Thomas, he should be able to get around pretty much anyone.
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Also liked in thelink about Sheard going against Thomas every day in practice. That should help him a ton. If eh can figure out how to get around Thomas, he should be able to get around pretty much anyone.
If it's true that practicing against the best makes you better,, then Sheard should turn out to be a beast
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Does anyone feel he's the next Courtney Brown? That it's only a matter of time before he's hurt for the year again.
I'm not trying to jynx him, because there enough of those hanging over those whole franchise......but man, I have zero confidence in this guy.
And it's a shame, if my feelings are correct, for the small glimpse we saw of him last preseason, he looked really strong and good.
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Does anyone feel he's the next Courtney Brown? That it's only a matter of time before he's hurt for the year again.
I'm not trying to jynx him, because there enough of those hanging over those whole franchise......but man, I have zero confidence in this guy.
And it's a shame, if my feelings are correct, for the small glimpse we saw of him last preseason, he looked really strong and good.
I guess I'd be foolish to say it won't happen.. it could. he could very well end up to be unable to stay healthy... that would be a shame.. he did show glimpes last year..... we'll see I guess.
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I heard different abou Hardesty. CBS rapid reports says he's out of practice again. 3 days straight. I think he's frickin hurt again. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/CLE
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Aug. 04, 2011 11:32 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - RB Hardesty back in practice after 2 days of rest
RB Montario Hardesty is back after coach Pat Shurmur gave him two precautionary days off. Hardesty, who figures prominently in the plans as a change-of-pace back, missed 2010 with a knee injury. Browns RapidReports
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34 minutes ago - by Marty Gitlin - RB Hardesty still not practicing for Browns
One must wonder why RB Montario Hardesty is still not practicing in full workouts. It was believed coach Pat Shurmur was giving him precautionary time off after he missed 2010 with a knee injury, but he's now been out for three days. Browns RapidReports
So, did he show up to practice and then just not actually get in? did he get bad info on him practicing?
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My understanding was that today was split with part no pads and part pads. He probably practiced but was kept out of contact drills. I had read a similar report on Steinbach.
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My understanding was that today was split with part no pads and part pads. He probably practiced but was kept out of contact drills. I had read a similar report on Steinbach.
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Does anyone feel he's the next Courtney Brown? That it's only a matter of time before he's hurt for the year again.
I didn't have any confidence he'd come back after last season, I don't have any confidence that he'll come back to practice tomorrow, and I have no confidence he'll be healthy enough to ever play football going forward.
I've never understood the "Hardesty will be back next year - imagine how great THAT'LL be with he and Hillis" crowd.
I'm sure he means well, I'm sure he's trying his hardest - but you'll never be able to bank on the guy. And even Courtney Brown shoud be offended by you mentioning them in the same breath - at least Brown actually did something haha.
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True, C.Brown was very good, not great, when he was on the field. We haven't really seen MH do anything other than light it up for a half of one preseason game (which is really nothing).
I'm still pissed we even drafted him. Who is their right mind would have drafted a guy with that many injuries?! Well......I take that back, sure draft the guy in the 5th-6th round, ya know, take a flyer on him. But a 2nd....AND we traded up to get him (please correct me if I'm wrong).
UGH...Heckert needs to hit a few home runs with this current draft to erase that debacle from my memory*.
I wonder what the Vegas over/under is for total yards from scrimmage this whole season for MH. I'll tell you what....put me down for $1,000 on the under. Doesn't matter what it is. UNDER!
*Going with the concept that MH is an injury bust.
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On the main sight it said Hardesty did not participate. Shurmur said "we'll get him out there when he's ready to go". WTF does that mean?
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On the main sight it said Hardesty did not participate. Shurmur said "we'll get him out there when he's ready to go". WTF does that mean?
I thought I read before camp that Hardesty was feeling good and ready to go. I really hope he can contribute in the backfield this year, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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So where is Jerome Harrison at these days?
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So where is Jerome Harrison at these days?
The Eagles chose not to resign him. I don't think he's caught on anywhere yet.
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I have to think that there is a perception, either real or perceived, that Harrison has an attitude problem.
The kid obviously has some degree of talent. He's seen 2 organizations with respected people (Holmgren, Heckert, Reid) either trade him away or let him walk without the slightest attempt to re-sign him. They brought in Ronnie Brown, who has never been a big impact guy, in his place.
All of the signs add up to a player who might be more trouble than he's worth.
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I'm still pissed we even drafted him. Who is their right mind would have drafted a guy with that many injuries?! Well......I take that back, sure draft the guy in the 5th-6th round, ya know, take a flyer on him. But a 2nd....AND we traded up to get him (please correct me if I'm wrong).
You're right, but TJ Ward was also in the same boat with the injury problems and look at him. Both were gambles, and one seems to have paid off. The other seems to be doing the opposite.
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Refering to Hardesty, you said, But you'll never be able to bank on the guy.
never say never.
Put me in the camp that is glad they drafted him, glad he signed, glad he's on the team and looks for big things from him this year. Hey just like William Green though nobody can do great things if they aren't given the chance.
I want to see him split wide running pass routes and
I want to see him taking wide running plays from pitches from the qb,
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I think he can be an inside runner with effectiveness if you give him enough carries to get in a groove.
Hardesty and Little , two guys who can really compliment what the Browns already have shown on Offense.
wait and see thats all we can do.
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I am just stunned that people want to write Hardesty off after he missed one year with an injury.
Many times ACLs are stronger afrer injury and repair than they were before. Hardesty has had both injured and repaired. He's good to go.
What amazes me is that people are freaked out about Hardesty after he missed one year .... but are perfectly willing to accept that Jackson will be fine at MLB after he tore both pecs.
I think that Hardesty will not only recover, but will be a force this year.
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I'm not in the "write him off" camp, but given Shurmur's comment there's definitely cause for concern. I hope he plays every game.
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Boy, ya just gotta love the draft, don'tcha?
Coming in, this kid was already known to be attached to the word "injury"... and what happens in his first season? DOWN AND OUT- before the reg season even begins.
On the few times I saw him play, there was lots to be excited about... but I've gotten my hopes up over past draft selections before.
Nobody want to see this kid recover and make a contribution more than I... but then, I was a HUGE Courtney Brown fan back when he wore O&B, too-
I'm a bit older and (I hope) wiser, now.
At this point, I'll take a "wait & see" approach- without getting too high or too low, concerning Mr. Hardesty.
Let's be honest- the draft is almost as much a crapshoot as playing the Powerball each week. We NEVER know if a choice will pan out.
I hope Monty will make a difference.... but I I'm a GM, I'm already looking at next year's prospects to find his replacement-
just sayin'-
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This is depressing. Hardesty's been injured every year since 2006. The 2009 injuries didn't keep him off the field, the others did.
Right ACL surgery 2006
Left knee scope in 2006
High right ankle sprain in 2007
Stress fracture in his left foot in 2008
Right knee drain in 2009
Shoulder subluxation in 2009
Right knee bone bruise 2010
Left ACL surgery 2010.
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–Davis offered the following player to watch in training camp: Third-year linebacker Kaluka Maiva. “I think he’s a very distinctive, tough, physical player,” Davis said. “(At 6-foot) he doesn’t have some of the height the other guys do, but it doesn’t matter when it comes to instincts and tackling. I’m excited about watching him through the preseason, to see what he’s capable of.”
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Our first praise of Maiava. We should be hearing more and more about him as training camp progresses.
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Thursday, August 4, 2011
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By Daniel Wolf
Senior Writer
The Cleveland Browns took the field this afternoon to accomodate new player additions and re-signed players, but they still were not all practicing with the rest of the team.
At least for the first hour of practice, that is.
Then all players put on their helmets—it was a helmet practice only, no pads—and began playing with the rest of their teammates.
While live at camp today, the following are my observations on a few players.
Jayme Mitchell, DE
-A giant among the defensive unit, in height. Mitchell was playing with the first team defense at left end along with rookie Phil Taylor to his right, then Ahtyba Rubin and finally rookie Jabaal Sheard on the other end.
-Right away I could see Mitchell's explosiveness off the snap as he was creating pressure on the quarterbacks—regardless of who was at right tackle or trying to defend him. He will be heavily watched at Friday morning's practice session.
Evan Moore, TE
-During red zone 7-on-7 drills, against the much smaller cornerback rookie Buster Skrine, Moore had a spectacular grab at the back of the endzone. Moore was able to one-hand the pass directly over the top of Skrine, due to the height mis-match (Moore is 6'6" and Skrine is 5'10").
Buster Skirne, CB
-Speaking of Skrine, he was mis-matched on more than the play described above against Moore. His smaller size seemed to come into play several times when he was participating in bump-and-run drills, getting dominated by the bigger receivers.
-Otherwise, Skrine looked fast and was playing the nickelback with the 1st team for much of the practice and until Dimitri Patterson took over the role later in practice.
-Skrine was also returning kickoffs because Josh Cribbs was still ailing from a leg injury.
Brandon Jackson, RB
-Once again Montario Hardesty was not taking reps this afternoon and I will be the first to admit it is starting to scare me a bit. Anyway, Jackson looked quick and agile, while showing off his speed on several reps during 11-on-11 drills.
-Jackson's calves are huge too. They are like the size of Peyton Hillis's biceps—literally.
Carlton Mitchell, WR
-Right away I could see Mitchell had a hop in his step and seemed very eager to get out on the field to run routes—in a receiver group which is getting more and more competitive each day.
-He showed off his speed on several pass routes, but also showed some signs of rust due to not being able to participate in the past few sessions (shoulder injury). I will be monitoring him on Friday as well.
Misc. Observations
-Receiver Jordan Norwood was still making plays in the slot, but the coaching staff sit back to chill for the last hour of practice. Head coach Pat Shurmur said Norwood injured his hip but it is nothing serious.
-Receiver Johnathan Haggerty was getting a ton of reps today and made the most of them by running crisp routes, getting open consistently and catching a lot of passes from the quarterbacks. Keep your eyes on him.
-Quarterback Colt McCoy looked more accurate than he did during Tuesday's practice, completing more passes than he had incompletions.
-Quarterback Jarrett Brown still has a cannon on his shoulder and it is really fun to watch the ball launch—every time he throws it.
-Cornerback Joe Haden was still locking down his assigned receivers all session long. He made several great pass break ups showing tremendous closing speed.
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Browns get first look at Usama Young on Friday By Jeff Schudel JSchudel@News-Herald.comAny NFL general manager can spend a ton of his owner's money on a superstar. It takes a real digger with a sharp eye to sign a lesser-known player who turns into a star in his new uniform. The Browns are hoping G.M. Tom Heckert found such a player in Usama Young, a free safety who in four seasons started just six games for the New Orleans Saints. Young might turn out to be the missing piece in the Browns secondary, but less than a week into training camp not much is known about him outside the Browns locker room and Heckert's cagey mind. Because he signed as an unrestricted free agent, today will be the first time he and others like him around the league will be allowed to practice this summer with their new teams under the new CBA rules. To that end, the Browns have moved back practice today to 4:10 p.m. because the league year starts nine minutes earlier. From the first snap today, the battle is on between Young and Mike Adams to start at safety with T.J. Ward. "He's a real physical guy," Heckert said. "He's a really good athlete. He started at corner in college. If you get a physical enough guy, that's a great transition to safety and New Orleans tried it. I think he's going to be good. We'll have to wait and see. "I like Mike Adams. I think he's a really good football player. So those two guys are going to compete and we'll see how it shakes out." Young, 5-foot-11, 185 pounds, had the good fortune to earn a Super Bowl ring with the Saints in 2009, but he had the misfortune to play behind Darren Sharper. Originally a third-round draft choice from Kent State in 2007, Young's most productive season was 2008 when he played in 15 games, made 27 tackles and intercepted two passes. He started only two games that year. At times Young played cornerback in New Orleans and at other times he played safety. He said he had offers from several teams, but looked at the Browns depth chart and decided this was the place for him. "If a guy got hurt at corner, they put me at corner," Young said after a recent practice. "If a safety went down, they put me at safety. I was that utility player. Hopefully I can hone in on one position here." The current Browns management team was not overwhelmed with Abe Elam, a starting in 2009 and 2010. Elam played for former Browns head coach Eric Mangini when Mangini coached the Jets. Elam was part of the package the Browns acquired from the Jets on draft day, 2009 when the Browns gave New York the pick used on quarterback Mark Sanchez. Elam was not as physical as coaches want a safety to be. Plus, Elam was taken off the field in some third-and-long passing situations. Young will not be a part-time player if he turns out to be the player Heckert expects. "I'm versatile," Young said. "I tend to be a physical guy. I hit. I run. Wherever the coaches want me, that's where I play." Young, Elam and Josh Cribbs are all Kent State alumni. Young said he talked to Elam about the Browns before signing his contract last month.
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On the main sight it said Hardesty did not participate. Shurmur said "we'll get him out there when he's ready to go". WTF does that mean?
I'm no expert, but I think it means that they will get him out there when he's ready to go 
Just funnin you,.., I really don't know but, like you probably, I suspect that if he was "REALLY" ok, he'd be out there practicing with his teammates...
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Any NFL general manager can spend a ton of his owner's money on a superstar. It takes a real digger with a sharp eye to sign a lesser-known player who turns into a star in his new uniform.
dind...thanks for the article...
I agree with the above comment about a GM finding raw talent that is on the verge of blossoming...it is much harder to find and sign those players, especially when they are on the roster of one of the elite teams, one year removed from a Super Bowl victory.
Let's hope he develops into the star some believe he can be. The fact that Dick Jauron played safety in the NFL should help Young develop.
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Jayme Mitchell, DE
-Right away I could see Mitchell's explosiveness off the snap as he was creating pressure on the quarterbacks—regardless of who was at right tackle or trying to defend him.
Oh. Crap.
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-During red zone 7-on-7 drills, against the much smaller cornerback rookie Buster Skrine, Moore had a spectacular grab at the back of the endzone. Moore was able to one-hand the pass directly over the top of Skrine, due to the height mis-match (Moore is 6'6" and Skrine is 5'10").
-Speaking of Skrine, he was mis-matched on more than the play described above against Moore. His smaller size seemed to come into play several times when he was participating in bump-and-run drills, getting dominated by the bigger receivers.
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-Quarterback Colt McCoy looked more accurate than he did during Tuesday's practice, completing more passes than he had incompletions.
Wait, so he was completing <50% in training camp?
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Not too worried about Skrine. He is a rookie and will struggle, and he was macthed up against a 6'6 Moore. How many time will he face a 6'6 TE in an actual game?
Also, McCoy has been without most of his targets from last year. Massaqoui is out, Cribbs is out, Watson had been out, and some of the guys were FAs and couldn't practice until yesterday. Not too worried about him yet.
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So you are more of a glass half empty kind of guy which is fine.... but I am looking forward to Jayme Mitchel this year and Evan Moore these tidbits excite me.....
As far as Colt goes it was reported Tuesday he struggled with his throws, now worries yet guys have bad practices it looks like he is getting back in the rythem...
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Mitchell has played in 29 career games with 22 tackles and 5 sacks. He's using the right side of our O-Line to look like an All-Pro. What do you think Terrell Suggs and Lamar Woodley are going to do to it?
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He was also behind two very good defensive ends in Minnesota. Give him a chance, and if he sucks, complain then. For now he's a guy with potential getting the opportunity to show it. Stop whining and looking at everything so pessimistically.
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