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I agree, while a special talent is sometimes rare, I think with a good line a 1,000yd rusher can be found even as an UDFA
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IMO, why akronjoe and others have ripped the Browns for the Jackson signing is bc they've already put Hardesty on career-ending IR, leaving Jackson as the backup.
There is a glutton of RB's still unsigned, so even if an injury occurs, i think we will be fine
Wait,,, are you saying they JUST put Hardesty on IR,, or are you referring to last year?
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no, I'm saying that I feel akronjoe and maybe a few others are already counting Hardesty as done for his career, thus boo-hooing the Jackson signing bc he would be a poor backup
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no, I'm saying that I feel akronjoe and maybe a few others are already counting Hardesty as done for his career, thus boo-hooing the Jackson signing bc he would be a poor backup
Whew,,, you had me thinking he went down or something... OK,, Gotcha 
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im keeping my fingers and toes crossed that we have a Mack/Byner type combo from them.
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My understanding is, Hardesty had an ACL injury in College and then went on to play 2 more years missing only 2 games in that span.. If that happens here, I'd have no problem..
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just to get this out of the way and info real Quote:
CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Browns knew all about running back Montario Hardesty's injury history at Tennessee when they traded up to draft him in the second round, but they were confident his setbacks were behind him.
Unfortunately for the Browns and Hardesty, they were wrong.
The Browns' projected feature back this season, Hardesty was placed on injured reserve for the season Friday with a torn left anterior cruciate ligament suffered Thursday against the Bears when he tried to make a cut in the preseason finale -- his first game of the exhibition season.
Hardesty, who suffered a torn ACL in his right knee as a freshman at Tennessee in 2005, will undergo surgery to repair the ligament and then embark on another strenuous rehab. Most ACL surgeries require a nine- to 12-month recovery, meaning he could be back by next preseason.
"We're all very disappointed for Montario," Browns coach Eric Mangini said in a statement. "He's worked extremely hard since he was drafted, he's done everything we've asked him to do, and I'm sure he'll be just as diligent with his rehab. It's unfortunate, but it opens the door for other guys to step up and contribute."
After the game, Hardesty vowed to come back strong.
"I'll just work hard and try to get back on the field," he said.
"I'm going to keep my head up and I'll be back."
He disagreed that he's injury-prone, despite a string of ailments while in college. Besides the right ACL surgery, he underwent a left knee scope in 2006, had a high right ankle sprain in 2007, a stress fracture in his left foot in 2008, a right knee drain in 2009 and shoulder subluxation in 2009. The 2009 injuries didn't keep him off the field, a season in which he rushed for 1,345 yards and 13 touchdowns.
"I feel like injuries are a part of football, and I don't think I'm injury-prone," he said. "I'm going to fight back and get back on the field."
Hardesty's bad luck with the Browns began in the rookie portion of training camp, when he suffered a right bone bruise that kept him out the first 27 days of camp. Before the Bears game, he had participated in only two full practices, and only one in pads. But he said he felt ready to get hit and that he'd been "running and cutting a lot on my own."
Mangini said the decision to play Hardesty on two days' practice was made with the help of team President Mike Holmgren. Hardesty rushed seven times for 25 yards, including a 1-yard TD.
"That's one of those questions that, having Mike in the building, I really benefit from," said Mangini after the game. "I sat down with him and talked about it. It's a tough decision. You want to be able to see a guy, you want to make sure that he's prepared to play in the opener and do the things that he needs to do. You're also concerned about the volume of work he's been able to have up to that point. We decided that this was going to be his last opportunity to get that work, so we thought it was the best idea to do that."
With Hardesty out, Jerome Harrison will most likely get the starting nod in Tampa on Sept. 12 with Peyton Hillis also getting time. James Davis, now a virtual lock to make the team, will round out the position. Even Chris Jennings has a chance to survive today's cuts. Davis, who replaced Hardesty against the Bears, rushed for 66 yards on 15 carries (4.4 average) and caught five passes for 53 yards.
"I thought [Davis] looked good," said Mangini. "He showed a nice burst. He looked solid in pass protection. He had opportunities and took advantage of them."
Davis, last year's sixth-round pick out of Clemson, said: "That's pretty much my thing, catching the ball out of the backfield and making defenders miss. I'm an all-around back. The coach got a chance to see that [Thursday]."
Former Browns running back Jamal Lewis, who also played at Tennessee and knows Hardesty, said Browns fans still have plenty to look forward to. Lewis also suffered two major knee injuries -- a torn lateral collateral ligament in college and a torn ACL in the pros, and still manAged to produce six seasons of 1,000 yards or more after the ACL, including a 2,000-yard season.
"Montario worked out really hard with my trainer coming out of college and look where he went in the draft," said Lewis. "He has the work ethic and this injury is only going to motivate him to work harder. He probably feels he wasn't able to show people what he can do this year, and he'll be determined to do that."
He said the injury has a silver lining.
"You've got a good back in the stable who's just down for a season," said Lewis. "Jerome can carry the load and Montario can sit back and learn the game. This can be a valuable experience for him. He has the rest of his career in front of him and he'll be fine."
To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670
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It's not really that Jackson is the RB2 or RB3. It's that he is a 3rd down RB. He will spell Hillis more often in passing situations (i.e. 3rd downs) while Hardesty will spell Hillis more often in running situations (i.e. 1st/2nd downs).
That is if Hardesty can stay healthy long enough to play. But, that is the hope.
I could be wrong, but I think we might see more of Hillis and Hardesty in the backfield together and with our Rookie FB Owen Marecic seeing less snaps then we are accustomed to seeing from the traditional HB, FB set.
Limited for the most part to short yardage and goal-line formations. (For lack of a given term, I'll simply call it a hybrid 2 back, backfield.)
Costanzo is not signed and a part of the team right now, so Marecic will be counted on to help fill his shoes on the ST units.
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Thanks for that info on Hardesty. I get upset because some people don't understand injuries and don't realize an injury isn't as bad as the severity of the injury.
An ACL tead is bad however you look at it.
BUT ... in high school I tore my meniscus about 2 weeks before our senior season started. I iced, rehabed, and wore a brace for a few weeks. Never had surgery. Didn't miss more than the rest of the practice and the next day's as well for stretching and precaution.
My roomate in college suffered a stress fracture in his foot. He was in an aircast / walking boot for about 3 weeks. They wanted him fresh at the end of the season and he finished it.
High Ankle sprain? Well all of our QB's had them last year...
A scope isn't an "injury" and neither is a knee drain. They just help to take out the junk that's still in there.
ACL? Big. Twice? Big. Two ACL's in 6 years? Eh ... Willis McGahee had a lot worse done to him in one hit. A shoulder subluxation? It's a fancy way for saying a partially seperated shoulder.
The point is I'm not saying he is made of iron ... but to think a running back with a physical style like his would tear 2 acl's and then get dinger up over 6 years ... yeah it happens.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got busted up again in the future. I also wouldn't be surprised if he went on to play in 15 or 16 games this year.
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Hey P. was Hardestys ACL on the same both times?
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thought the article said one side then the other....so no
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Hey P. was Hardestys ACL on the same both times?
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The Browns' projected feature back this season, Hardesty was placed on injured reserve for the season Friday with a torn left anterior cruciate ligament suffered Thursday against the Bears when he tried to make a cut in the preseason finale -- his first game of the exhibition season.
Hardesty, who suffered a torn ACL in his right knee as a freshman at Tennessee in 2005, will undergo surgery to repair the ligament and then embark on another strenuous rehab. Most ACL surgeries require a nine- to 12-month recovery, meaning he could be back by next preseason.
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thanks,,,, I guess I didn't catch that..
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ACL tear is big... and I honestly don't know what type of surgery he had to repair it, but typically the repaired ACL is much stronger than the original ligament... if he rehabbed correctly I don't see him tearing it again.
he torn each of his ACLs so hopefully now he'll be done with tearing those ligaments... now whether he tears something else who knows.
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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 Daniel Wolf/National Football Authority By Daniel Wolf Senior Writer When the NFL lockout ended and free agency began, the Cleveland Browns were in a position of need to find another running back to add depth to a group that already consisted of 2010 breakout Peyton Hillis and oft-injured Montario Hardesty. They found their guy in former Green Bay Packers back Brandon Jackson. Jackson comes to Cleveland after a Super Bowl run with the Packers, but it was a run that was not an easy one for him. After incumbent rusher Ryan Grant went down in the season opener and landed on the Injured Reserve for the entire season, Jackson was thrust into the starting role immediately. Splitting carries with fullback John Kuhn, Jackson started 13 of the Packers 16 regular season games before getting replaced with rookie back James Starks, who then led the charge in the ground game through the playoffs and into the Super Bowl as well. It seemed Jackson was no longer a fit in the Packers offense and future, due to Starks emergence. As a free agent, Jackson decided to leave the reigning champions for opportunity to contribute on a young and building Browns roster. Jackson's experience starting for the Packers, and being in their version of the West Coast offense, is nothing but a plus since he is now in Cleveland and they too are running a West Coast offense. "I am a great fit in this offense," said Jackson. "It’s a West Coast offense, so pretty much downhill running and in Green Bay it was more spread. I am used to the offense, I’m just getting used to the terminology." Jackson is really confident his abilities and talents are a fit with his new team—whether he is a third-down back or more this season. "I am going to take advantage of my opportunities, if it’s first, second or third (down)," Jackson said. "I am here to run the ball, catch it, block and do whatever I can to help this team win ball games." Jackson may have been cast-off by his former team, who seemed to never even consider re-signing him, but with all the question marks surrounding Hardesty and the health of his knee—Jackson could find a larger role in Cleveland than he ever would have had in Green Bay. He even got a chance to play his former team right off the bat in the first preseason game, gaining 28 yards on eight carries and catching one pass for seven yards while playing limited reps with the second-team offensive unit Saturday. The opportunity is there for Jackson to prove he can be an impact player and contribute on offense. Browns fans will have to wait and see what kind of role and player Jackson will become for Cleveland in 2011—which could be a big part of the offense in the end. web page
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ACL tear is big... and I honestly don't know what type of surgery he had to repair it, but typically the repaired ACL is much stronger than the original ligament... if he rehabbed correctly I don't see him tearing it again.
he torn each of his ACLs so hopefully now he'll be done with tearing those ligaments... now whether he tears something else who knows.
yes, but a byproduct of those ACLs being stronger is that the person tends to lose some of the athleticism they had pre-surgery (exhibitA for 2 ACL tears: Willis McGahee)
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