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Next year they draft Blackmon and a LB in round 1.
Just an FYI - Blackmon isn't the best wr that is going to be in next year's draft. Alshon Jeffries SC 
So that's where some of "us" are at - debating next years draft, weeks before THIS season starts?
Seriously?
Okay - I'll play that game. I know who I'd draft in the 2020 draft. Kid's awesome. Even though he's a freshman in high school right now..........
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I like Jeff Fuller more than both of those guys.
I've not seen Fuller so cannot comment. But thanks for the heads up. I'll try to check out some Texas A&M games.
I worry about Blackmon's ability to separate in the NFL. He is a big muscular guy and uses that well against the college Db's just not sure how he will do vs NFl Db's.
Point is also moot if Colt stinks it up because we will go Qb with our 1st number one and looking at Broyles or Toon type player with the 1st rounder we got from Atl or our second round pick.
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We all DON'T know that Robo sucks
Yes I kinda regret typing that.
How about this, We all know that Robo's play leaves alot to be desired
At least about half of the time.
Other Point!
If YOU CUT MoMASS now ! it is ? less than, greater than or Equal to this?
answer = equal to.
If you cut Mohamed Massaquoi Now, it is EQUAL TO going back to the draft in April and
Trading Mo Mass for Greg Little Straight up? Nope!
Trading Mo Mass and a 2nd round pick which you moved up to get, for Greg Little.
a bad trade.
Answer, don't cut MoMass, wait and see what happens when he heals up.
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Cutting anyone of our main WRs right now would be pointless...
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No! Cut MoMass, and Greg little becomes your Kevin Johnson, and everybody else is your Darrin Chiavrini.
Ah the good ole days.....
Seriously...our WRs absolutely suck and it's retarding our offense. I hope Little turns into something but he's a complete lotto ticket.
Didn't even play last year. Has the dropsies. Ugh....
The WCO gets annihilated by WRs who drop balls. Terrell Owens...for as great a freak he was at WR shut the 49ers down at times with his drops. Now our best WR is a converted RB who didn't even play college ball last year.
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Are Browns giving McCoy a fair chance? August, 9, 2011 By James Walker GEORGETOWN, Ky. -- I'm watching the Cincinnati Bengals practice Monday night and a couple thoughts come to mind. First, the Bengals have surrounded rookie quarterback Andy Dalton with a first-round receiver (A.J. Green), a first-round tight end (Jermaine Gresham) and a former first-round pick at running back (Cedric Benson). My second thought was, "Are the Cleveland Browns giving their quarterback a fair and equal chance?" Dalton has weapons -- and plenty of them. It's interesting to point out Cincinnati's third (Jordan Shipley) and fourth receivers (Andre Caldwell) caught more passes combined (77) last season than Cleveland starters Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie (65). The Bengals are giving Dalton every chance to succeed. Whether or not that happens is up to him. But Cleveland isn't doing the same with Colt McCoy. Both Ohio teams will run West Coast offenses for the first time. But I believe Cincinnati's offense has the potential to be more explosive. Cleveland's group of receivers is among the weakest in the league. It's too early to say if Dalton and McCoy are the long-term solutions for their respective teams. But Dalton having more talent around him certainly helps. The Browns and Bengals will meet in the Week 1 "Battle of Ohio." Link
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McCoy has better OL, FB and RB though...it's a wash
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Yes I kinda regret typing that.
How about this, We all know that Robo's play leaves alot to be desired
At least about half of the time.
Oddly enough, for about half a season last year, Robo was nowhere to be found. For the last half, 300+ yards, 3 TD's. All of a sudden, if you look at that over an entire season.. 600+ yeards and 6 TD's.. you can see he'd make a nice 2 or 3. Very nice. Thus my thinking that all the hate piled on Robo is as misplaced as he was in Manginis offense.
I'm thinking this is the year he makes it known what kinda player he's going to be going forward..
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I would give him TE as well. Watson is proven where Gresham is still learning (and more depth).
Also, add in that our RBs (Hillis and B-Jax) are actually suited for the WCO whereas Benson is more just a pure runner.
So, Dalton has a huge advantage in WRs. And that's it. If we win football by building from the inside-out, then we are doing it the correct way. Though I expect a ton of growing pains.
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Dalton has weapons -- and plenty of them. It's interesting to point out Cincinnati's third (Jordan Shipley) and fourth receivers (Andre Caldwell) caught more passes combined (77) last season than Cleveland starters Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie (65).
this guy is comparing catches, but doesn't recognize who was throwing the passes.. Carson Palmer gets the ball to his WR's..
If delhomme would have started the entire season, I truly believe both MoMass and Robo would have atleast 40-50 catches a piece.
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Dalton has weapons -- and plenty of them. It's interesting to point out Cincinnati's third (Jordan Shipley) and fourth receivers (Andre Caldwell) caught more passes combined (77) last season than Cleveland starters Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie (65).
this guy is comparing catches, but doesn't recognize who was throwing the passes.. Carson Palmer gets the ball to his WR's..
If delhomme would have started the entire season, I truly believe both MoMass and Robo would have atleast 40-50 catches a piece .
Problem is, so would have the opposing defenders.
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So, Dalton has a huge advantage in WRs.
Or our WR's have a huge advantage with Colt McCoy. At least at this point in the discussion.
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Did James Walker even watch our offense last year?
Do people actually know how much we ignored our WRs ON PURPOSE?
Our Offense became, Hand of to Hillis, Pass to Hillis, Throw it over the middle to Watson...
What WR is going to flourish in that?
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Did James Walker even watch our offense last year?
Do people actually know how much we ignored our WRs ON PURPOSE?
Our Offense became, Hand of to Hillis, Pass to Hillis, Throw it over the middle to Watson...
What WR is going to flourish in that?
That was apparent whenever the camera showed Holmgren during the game and we where on offense. He seemed to look as perplexed as did the fans 
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Did James Walker even watch our offense last year?
Do people actually know how much we ignored our WRs ON PURPOSE?
Our Offense became, Hand of to Hillis, Pass to Hillis, Throw it over the middle to Watson...
What WR is going to flourish in that?
Or did it become that because Mass refuses to fight for the ball, has no idea how to get his body between the ball and the defender, and continually allowed himself to be pushed to the sidelines where he had no chance at all.
Robiskie is better at fighting for it, but gets absolutely no separation and is going to have to build some trust with the QB before he sees many balls coming his way.
We didnt abandon the WRs for no reason. Watson and Hillis were reliable, the WRs were not. You have to know wich side your bread is buttered on.
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We didnt abandon the WRs for no reason. Watson and Hillis were reliable, the WRs were not. You have to know wich side your bread is buttered on.
We didn't abandon them at all. It's not like we tried and then gave up on them. The offense was not designed to utilize the WR's a lot. They were used as blockers for the running game aplenty.
You design routes for separation. That is not all on the receivers.
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We didnt abandon the WRs for no reason. Watson and Hillis were reliable, the WRs were not. You have to know wich side your bread is buttered on.
We didn't abandon them at all. It's not like we tried and then gave up on them. The offense was not designed to utilize the WR's a lot. They were used as blockers for the running game aplenty.
You design routes for separation. That is not all on the receivers.
Good points.
The lack of a true WR Coach, probably did not help our young WR's to reach their potential either.
I wonder how MoMass and Robo would have performed having the system and Coaching that they will receive now, if they had that from the start?
Just something to remember when critiquing these two and their past performance or lack thereof.
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Rookie WR Greg Little on if losing his senior season affected him early in camp. "Catching is like riding a bike. You don't forget how. It's just concentration and comfortability. The first installations are [done]. Now I can [concentrate] on things I don't do well." Little has recently limited his drops. Browns RapidReports
Massaquoi's absents could be a blessing in disguise for us and Little's getting up to speed.
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Sleeper Watch: Cleveland Browns WR Jordan Norwood
When the Cleveland Browns take the field Saturday night, they'll step up against a Pro Bowl roster of NFL fan favorites in the defending Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers. While the Packers feature a depth chart of Donald Driver, Greg Jennings and James Jones, it should come as no surprise to Cleveland if the average fan has not heard of their receiving corps.
The Browns do not have one player on the roster who is a household name, in fact, not one receiver on the roster has even broken 40 catches in a season.
They do, however, have a lot of potential.
The Browns current receiving group is made up of three recent second-round draft picks, 2009 class members Mohamed Massaquoi, Brian Robiskie and 2011 pick Greg Little. After that, it gets a little murky. Former Ravens veteran Demetrius Williams (fourth-round pick), jack-of-all-trades Joshua Cribbs (undrafted free agent), sixth-round pick Carlton Mitchell and a handful of undrafted free agents.
If reports coming out of training camp are any indication, one of those undrafted free agents could very well be in a position to make himself a big name in a hurry.
That player is 24-year old Jordan Norwood.
Norwood went undrafted in 2009, but he was immediately signed onto the Browns practice squad. After not making the final cut in Cleveland, he was signed by Tom Heckert and the Philadelphia Eagles in September. While he was briefly promoted to the active roster there, he was ultimately waived before winding up back with Cleveland in September of 2010.
Norwood has never been a big target at 5'11" and 179 pounds, but what he lacks in size, he makes up for in precise route-running, quickness and soft hands. While being overshadowed at Penn State by the likes of Derrick Williams and Deon Butler may have hurt his draft stock, it has shown Norwood the importance of hard work. The same hard work that landed him third All-Time on the Penn State receiving list. At PSU, Norwood finished his career with 158 catches, 2,015 yards and 13 touchdowns.
With the Browns receiving core somewhat an uncertainty this offseason, Norwood had been participating in the Camp Colt offseason workouts to try and establish himself on the opening day roster. It appears that hard work has now paid off.
According to Daniel Wolf, who has been observing Norwood at the 2011 Cleveland Browns Training Camp, he "has the quickness and speed to be a very good slot receiver in the West Coast offense, and he runs fearless routes over the middle of the field over and over again."
Wolf goes on to observe that Norwood has displayed "good hands" and that "he might be the best pure catcher on the team after Robiskie and Moore."
With opposing defenses focusing on bigger receivers like Little, Robiskie, Massaquoi and the always dangerous Cribbs; Norwood just may sneak under the radar and catch a lot of teams napping on a very talented receiver.
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Jordan Norwood? Who knew that he'd be getting all kinds of positive attention?
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Who knew that he'd be getting all kinds of positive attention?
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By James Walker
GEORGETOWN, Ky. -- I'm watching the Cincinnati Bengals practice Monday night and a couple thoughts come to mind.
First, the Bengals have surrounded rookie quarterback Andy Dalton with a first-round receiver (A.J. Green), a first-round tight end (Jermaine Gresham) and a former first-round pick at running back (Cedric Benson). My second thought was, "Are the Cleveland Browns giving their quarterback a fair and equal chance?"
Dalton has weapons -- and plenty of them. It's interesting to point out Cincinnati's third (Jordan Shipley) and fourth receivers (Andre Caldwell) caught more passes combined (77) last season than Cleveland starters Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie (65).
The Bengals are giving Dalton every chance to succeed. Whether or not that happens is up to him.
But Cleveland isn't doing the same with Colt McCoy.
Both Ohio teams will run West Coast offenses for the first time. But I believe Cincinnati's offense has the potential to be more explosive. Cleveland's group of receivers is among the weakest in the league.
It's too early to say if Dalton and McCoy are the long-term solutions for their respective teams. But Dalton having more talent around him certainly helps. The Browns and Bengals will meet in the Week 1 "Battle of Ohio."
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If only it was as easy as looking up what round a teams WRs, RBs and QBs were drafted in...last season the Bengals had Carson Palmer, OchoOcho and TO along with Benson...and Bengals could have punched their ticket to playoffs...RIGHT James Walker?
As most knowledgeable football fans know, what round your skilled position players are drafted in, is not a good indicator as to how successful an offensive unit will perform.
Case in point...the Patriots...
QB-Tom Brady-6th round
RB-BenJarvus Green-Ellis-undrafted
WR-Wes Welker-undrafted
WR-Deion Branch-2nd round
WR-Ochocinco-2nd round
WR-Brandon Tate-3rd round
If the writer were judging the Patriots based on where the players above were drafted, the writer might be trying to convince readers the Bengals offense is better then the Pats. It's not that easy to predict because their are so many variables that enter into the equation.
In Ohio, we can toss out the individual and team performances from last season because both the Browns and Bengals have added new elements to their team's offensive units for this season.
The most interesting match up, when comparing the Browns vs Bengals, will be between Jay Gruden, the Bengals new OC and Pat Shurmur, the Browns new OC/HC. In the first game of the season, the fans will get a chance to judge the teaching performances of the new offensive coaches.
Which offensive coordinator is the better "teacher" of their team's new offensive playbook might be the determining factor as to who wins the first match up between the Bengals and Browns...not which round the WRs, RBs and QBs were drafted in.
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Mac I hope all of the teams we play base our quality of WR's on last season.
James Walker works for ESPN. Nuff said.
They have a vendetta against Cleveland for making them the laughing stock of sports journalism for the "indecision"
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James Walker has a strong history of giving very unbiased, very honest assessments. He isn't always right, but he doesn't just spout anti-Cleveland rhetoric like you seem to get from anything that shows up on SportsCenter.
Browns is the Browns
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James Walker has a strong history of giving very unbiased, very honest assessments. He isn't always right, but he doesn't just spout anti-Cleveland rhetoric like you seem to get from anything that shows up on SportsCenter.
I wasn't implying James Walker is ant-Cleveland, he lives here, but he has an employer who have used Cleveland as the but of their jokes for too long now, and singing praises to the other team in the State.
His comparisons of the two teams and their draft selections at the skilled is positions as an object of prof that theirs are better then ours, because of this fact, that is pretty shallow thinking and presents a weak case for his statements.
If we where to have been in the #4 selection last April then it might have been us with Green and a first round WR.
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James Walker has a strong history of giving very unbiased, very honest assessments. He isn't always right, but he doesn't just spout anti-Cleveland rhetoric like you seem to get from anything that shows up on SportsCenter.
I thought it was a good article and really it's hard to argue that much with it... Cincy, on paper, has much better WRs than what we've been shown to have... of course I think our RB is better and our TE is better... but Cincy does have good weapons throughout their offense... Our line is much better though....
it'll be interesting to see either offense though since both are going to be pretty new with young/new QBs. I really liked watching Dalton play though I don't think he played against really strong defenses very often in college.
I haven't read if Dalton is for sure the starter over Gradkowski... I think it'd be hard for any rookie to come in from game one as the starter on that team... Granted I haven't seen/heard or care how he's done in camp so I can't give too much of an opinion but I would think Bruce would get the nod for the first couple of games at least... we'll see... Dalton is a baller so it'll be interesting to see how he does.
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I fully understand the point you are trying to make, and I'm pointing out that it is off base.
Yes, he has an employer who has shown bias - and despite that, he has a demonstrated history of NOT showing that same bias.
As for the comparison of talent - it is a pretty clear, cut-and-dry comparison. They have targets that are extremely big talents and most of which have actually accomplished something in this league. Ours are, well, in this league for right now - but none of them (aside from Ben Watson) have done much of anything to this point.
As the article clearly points out, their #3 & #4 targets had more production than our #1 & #2. That is fact. That isn't bias.
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I’m not disputing Cincinnati’s talent, but just because we did not spend high draft picks on our skilled position players on offence, doesn’t mean that we are not giving Colt McCoy the weapons he needs to be successful.
Personally I would rather we spent those picks else where (as we have).
We traded for Hillis and picked up Watson in free agency and to me, I think that they are just as good as a first round selection.
We got Moore for a box of cracker jacks and have (3) 2nd round selections at WR or one if we are referring to the current regime.
Cincinnati has always picked high profile skilled position players in the Draft.
The only thing it’s gotten them to this point is more high draft selections, so they can draft those high profile sexy picks.
So should we follow their lead? Or should we take our own path?
And you know that last years facts are irrelevant to the future.
It's be well documented the fact that we did not run a WR friendly offense with Mangini"s staff. Add to that no real coaching for our young WR's and it does add up to what we have seen thus far.
The ship hasn't even sailed yet, but yet we are doomed to sink, because we have not spent high enough draft picks at WR, TE and RB?
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I fully understand the point you are trying to make, and I'm pointing out that it is off base.
Yes, he has an employer who has shown bias - and despite that, he has a demonstrated history of NOT showing that same bias.
As for the comparison of talent - it is a pretty clear, cut-and-dry comparison. They have targets that are extremely big talents and most of which have actually accomplished something in this league. Ours are, well, in this league for right now - but none of them (aside from Ben Watson) have done much of anything to this point.
As the article clearly points out, their #3 & #4 targets had more production than our #1 & #2. That is fact. That isn't bias.
In this story, James Walker's basis for comparing the Bengals and Browns is ridiculous...
YES, last season, the Bengals #1 and #2 WRs, 6 time Pro Bowlers in this league... and their QB was a 2 time Pro Bowler...
... and YES, the Bengals #3 and #4 WRs caught more passes than the Browns #1 and #2 wrs...
...YES, it is "cut and dry" the Bengals, with superior performances from their top draft picks and the fact the Bengal WRs "have actually accomplished something in this league", compared to the Browns WRs...
...the BENGALS, with all that superior draft talent at QB, RB and especially at WR..with all their superior stats..it translated into two of the worst butt kickings the BROWNS have ever received, at the hands of the BENGALS...RIGHT?
....RIGHT?....hmmm...say what?
...say WRONG?
THE BENGALS, with all that superior draft talent that put up such superior statistics, especially when comparing the Bengals #3/4 wrs vs the Browns #1/2 wrs...
...you mean to tell me the Bengals were beaten by the Browns 23-20, in their first meeting last season...and the SUPERIOR BENGALS didn't destroy the Browns in their second meeting of last season, in Cinci, beating the Browns by just 2 points, 19-17 ?
...you mean to tell me, the BENGALS, with WRs who have actually accomplished something in this league, with their superior draft talent that put up superior statistics compared to the Browns WRs...with all that BENGAL draft talent, THEY LOST MORE GAMES THAN THE BROWNS did last season.
James Walker looked at the Bengals 1st round picks at RB, WR and TE and looked at the superior performances of the Bengals #3/4 WRs and asked...
..."Are the Cleveland Browns giving their quarterback a fair and equal chance?"
While "fair and equal" might look good on paper..
...on the football field, "fair and equal" has nothing to do with winning football games...just look at the Bengals, last season...4 wins, 12 losses.
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Monday, August 15, 2011 Daniel Wolf/National Football Authority By Daniel Wolf Senior Writer The Cleveland Browns have many unanswered questions at several positions of their current roster, but none has been bigger than at wide receiver. Many Cleveland fans online, and on Twitter, have voiced their opinion that the Browns need another receiver who is more established since the current group is young and rather untested. But is this really the case after watching the receivers in the first preseason game against the Green Bay Packers? It appears the current crop of Browns receivers are destined to break out against all the criticism and negative comments sent their way. The Browns' first team offense went up against the Packers' first team defense, in the first quarter of play, and even though Pro Bowl cornerback Charles Woodson was not playing, quarterback Colt McCoy led the first team unit to 135 yards passing in just over one quarter of play. That alone speaks volumes about McCoy not only being a good fit to lead the new West Coast offense, but the receivers can make plays and get open down the field too. Perfect example is the touchdown pass to receiver Josh Cribbs, who had a step on his defender and put himself in perfect body position to catch a 27 yard touchdown from McCoy—who threw a perfect pass by the way. web page
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this makes me wonder the heirarchy...
i would guess our good to bad would be...
Cribbs
Massaquoi
Robiskie
Little
Norwood
Mitchell
Haggerty
Matthews
Castile
from top to bottom?
"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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I'm guessing the first four guys on your list are locks to make the team with Norwood and Mitchell being candidates for the 5th spot. Maybe Mitchell even heads to IR with the finger surgery to make things a little easier.
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who threw a perfect pass by the way.
dont let andra read that!
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who threw a perfect pass by the way.
dont let andra read that!
 I guess he knows more then Bernie too
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Quote:
this makes me wonder the heirarchy...
i would guess our good to bad would be...
Cribbs
Massaquoi
Robiskie
Little
Norwood
Mitchell
Haggerty
Matthews
Castile
from top to bottom?
I think we will keep 6 WR's in this our new offense. The only reason we kept only 5 in the past was the fact that we could not find more then that, that where worthy to make the roster and the position was not as importent as it will be now.
also we will not be keeping a dozen LBers as in the past.
Barring injury
Haggerty, Matthews and Castile most likely will go on our practice squad if we can get them threw waivers. 
I really like them all too.
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