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Perez had 32 pitches last night. I understand not giving him the save opportunity today in the 9th and letting Masterson try to finish it out (he was under 100 pitches).

but, why bring in Perez once Masterson was in trouble? he's not used to entering with guys on base, he's not good at keeping guys off base, and we have a ton of guys in the bullpen more equipped for that particular situation (save situation or no save situation).

just makes me

Carrera/Cabrera/Choo/Santana - not a great chance to get a run back, but at least we have a punchers chance here.

Wow. Walk off! Choo!

Acta has been pretty good this year. But I totally agree - you either go with Perez at the top of the inning or not at all. Not at all would have probably been preferable.

Masterson deserved a better fate. He's been one of the best starters we've had this year, but it's still a win.

Well, I guess I should pull down my previous post.

If we can get these guy the next two games and then get on a little roll AND have detroi.....ok, far fetched but I'm trying to find any kind of hope.

chris perez for the 'win' - though I don't really blame him (as mentioned above 32 pitches last night and not used to coming in with runners on base).

thank you Zeke for a magnificent game and Choo for finally finishing one of these off for us. be great if 'the real Choo' is back for the home stretch here.

Masterson could easily have 15 wins by now. As for our so-called closer, I'd replace him with Pestano until he (Perez) gets his head out of his butt.

He could/should be in Verlander, CC territory.

Perez is a disaster.

If you've got a 3 run lead, he'll give up 2.

This guy looks absolutely lost right now.

go rays.

jc...

Perez owes Choo and Masterson some big steak dinners.

masterson put men on the corners with 1 out. perez should have limited the damage to at most 1 run, but masterson put himself in that situation.

now, Choo and Zeke (big day for Zeke boy). Those boys deserve some good meat tonight.

Perez gave up a bases-clearing double to the #9 hitter on a full count after getting him down 0-2. He has 48 career ABs. It's not like we're talking about Ichiro slapping it down the right field line here.

My point is that he's inexperienced and he was in an 0-2 count. No excuse for Perez to not make that out.

Edit: I also thought that Manny should've pinch-hit Shelley Duncan for Valbuena in the eighth and then put Jason Donald in the field for the 9th. Two on and two out late in a one-run game, you shouldn't be sending a guy to the plate who's hitting a buck-fifty or whatever horrible BA Valbuena had.

jc...

...and scratch out a run, give it right back. Just for kicks, over the last 2+ games, 6 of 10 times when we have scored, Seattle has scored the next half inning. That's pathetic. Zero focus from the pitching staff.

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Edit: I just did some quick counting. After twice today, Detroit and Seattle have scored runs the next half inning after we do 10 of 17 times.

[Editors Note: I'm about to use the phrase "next year" ..Just saying..]

...So next year, either we use this period down the stretch to push through, or we continue going down and go back to being irrelevant...

today was a 'white flag' game

we are facing an elite pitcher, so let's sit our 2 best hitters when our other 4 best hitters are already out with injuries.

yup, this is it folks. It was fun while it lasted, but losing 3 of 4 to seattle has to be the end of the run.

After Sept. call ups, I say you fill the line-up with anyone from AAA who has shown any power potential what-so-ever. We need to find a real DH for next year, a real 1B, and possibly a closer as C. Perez hasn't been nearly as good as the numbers suggest, IMO.

gotta let the Clips defend their AAA title first.

Ah, yes you do.

For some reason I had the roster expansion coinciding with the end of the AAA season. Not sure where that come from.

it's not too far off, and really, I don't know why they don't just cut the 10 days or so off the AAA schedule to make it happen.

also of note: why does Willy Mo Pena save all his good games against us? didn't he kill us when he was with Arizona too?

ok, looked it up. yep, i'm not hallucinating.

W.M. Pena was 2/3 as a pinch hitter with 2runs, 2RBI including a HR in that series.

He went 0/5 last night when Seattle was scoring 12 runs. But, today, he goes 3/3 with 4RBI, 2runs including a HR.

vs. CLE this year: 5/11 2HRs 6RBI 4runs
vs. everyone else: 11/59 5HRs 7RBI 7runs

I'm officially moving into Browns mode (and getting ready for NHL mode too). I probably won't notice baseball until the playoffs start.

I blame BuckDawg ... he started a thread titled "Surprising Tribe down the stretch", and we went into the tank ever since.

It was a good run. No distraction from the Browns now though!

The only reason to pick up Thome is for sentimental purposes.

Every time I think about the Jimenez trade I get more and more bummed out about it.

The Ubaldo trade was done for more than just this year.....

I didn't like the trade when it was made because I never considered Jimenez a #1 pitcher. And I believe Pomeranz will be something special. A true #1. While White will be a true #2. Plus, it is pretty standard that when a pitcher comes over to the AL from the NL his numbers get worse.

You say this trade was made for more than just this year. But I say come 2013 this trade looks absolutely horrible (when White and Pomeranz are both performing just as well/better than Jimenez) and will continue to look worse for the 5+ years that follow.

i can see Pomeranz developing into a true #1 down the road someday. he has the tools and just needs to develop them.

but White a true #2? i'm about as optimistic as they come about the Tribe and was hoping he could settle into the #3/4 role at best.

I could be a little biased on White. Living in NC I got to see a lot of him at UNC. I always felt he was a better reliever than starter (he did both in college). I thought he could have been an a really good closer (I don't say great because that has too much to do with mental make up and not just pure talent and I have no method of evaluating that).

Maybe a true #2 is a little optimistic but I stand by that statement. I have no doubt that if he remains healthy he will at least be a good middle of the order guy. At least a solid #3, certainly better than a 4.

fair enough. i hope he does. seemed like a good guy while he was here and I'd rather both teams 'win' this trade (Ubaldo as a dominant ace with Pomeranz and White developing as well). I'd gladly take that.

I was rootin' for you guys to pull it off, but it's over. 6 back with 35 to go.

Hopefully this year is something to build off of for next year, though.

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Indians awarded claim on Thome, hopeful of deal
Posted on: August 25, 2011 1:21 pm

The Indians are hopeful of working out a deal to bring Jim Thome back to Cleveland.

Thome, who began his career with the Indians but left as a free agent after the 2002 season, was placed on trade waivers by the Twins this week. The Indians were awarded the claim on Wednesday, sources said, and the two teams have until 1 p.m. ET on Friday to work out a deal.

The Indians wouldn't give up much in return for Thome, who is 40 years old and is hitting .248 with 12 home runs in 238 at-bats. Thome recently hit his 600th career home run.

Thome would fit with the Indians, with designated hitter Travis Hafner hurt and possibly out for the season.

Thome would be able to block a trade, but given his strong feelings for Cleveland, it's hard to believe that he would

one last nice gesture by the FO for the stretch run. would be good to see him in Wahoo one last time.