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There is a problem with OVER-hyping this storm.

Many who are experiencing it are seeing the media and seeing that it isn't ALL that, so when the next one comes they use this one to judge what they will do. The media will hype up the next one, and Joe Schmoe will think "well that last one wasn't much worse than a heavy thunderstorm and some flooding, I think I'll stay in my mobile home for this one."

If they want to hype something, they should talk about what really happened, then discuss how it could have been worse "if"....


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Saw this and thought it appropriate. Here in Boston, Irene came and went with a whisper.

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Right on the heels of Hurricane Irene is Tropical Storm Jose. The government says it's not going to hit the United States but I tend to believe that it will wait until after dark and enter the country with half a dozen of its tropical storm friends and we won't even know they are here until we see them hanging out at the Home Depot the next day. The upside is that it will probably knock down trees and flood places that other hurricanes can't be bothered with.


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I'm glad you weren't impacted in Florida. Really.

But don't say this wasn't a bad storm. I have never seen the water come over the bulkhead at my house before, in 20 years. I lived through a bunch of them, Gloria, Bob, etc. and this one was right up there. I had never seen Manhattan Island flooded with a storm surge before. We were hit with the surge right at high tide. Barrier islands were breached. Upstate NY and New England were hit with historic flooding, and 12" of rain. My county has 380,000 customers without electricity. New Jersey estimates $1 Billion, with a B, dollars of economic loss, and maybe as much as $10 Billion depending on recovery.

Maybe the "hysteria" helped save some lives. If so, I'm glad. Just don't pretend that since Florida was spared that this wasn't a bad storm.


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Calm down there. I wasn't implying everyone was spared any damage, but while you were busy protecting your family and possessions the rest of us were watching the media talk like the entire east coast had been obliterated. THAT is what I was referring too.

There is damage and as usual with hurricanes, it is mostly caused by the rain, storm surge and following floods. And I know there are many people affected by that right now, and I wish you all the best, I've been there, it's tough. But for every 1 person that is truly affected there are 20 that were told the to expect what you got and then didn't see it, so THEY will become complacent and NOT heed the warnings next time. The media is so generalized in these events and sensationalize all of it, rather than focusing on what and where it is REALLY happening.


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the rest of us were watching the media talk like the entire east coast had been obliterated.




^This

I don't think anyone is doubting that the storm was dangerous and that it caused damage.

The problem many of us have is that the media made it sound like the love child of Hurricane Andrew and Hugo washed ashore and sent NYC the way of Atlantis.

Instead of just reporting that it was a dangerous storm that could cause damage, the media sensationalized it. That's the problem I had with it.


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Can I ask a serious question ..... and I absolutely do not want to offend anyone .... but I just really wonder about this .....

Where does the federal government's responsibility for personal property damaged or destroyed by natural disasters begin and end?

If there is a lightning storm in Youngstown one night, and my home is hit,catches fire, and burns to the ground ... the federal government does not step in with aid, food, or even a note that says "Sorry". My insurance picks up the tab, minus, of course, my deductible, and life goes on.

It always seems like every time there is a natural disaster, like a hurricane, forest fire, earthquake, and so on ..... the federal government jumps in to help rebuild ......house people ...... feed them ...... replace lost household goods ...... and all of the things that insurance companies and property owners themselves should be doing.

Why? Not to be rude or anything .... but you assume certain risks living in certain parts of the country. If you live on a coast, you can get severe storms. If you live in parts of California, then forest fires are occur almost every year. Certain areas get tornadoes. There is a reason we carry homeowners insurance, (and/or business insurance) and, if you life in a flood prone area, flood insurance. It is to protect your investment, and to help rebuild in the even of a disaster. That is the home owner's responsibility, and the insurance company's responsibility. It is not the government's responsibility. The government can assist in things like clearing roads, providing security until local officials can handle things again, and the like. Why do the taxpayers have to foot the bill? If you choose to remain in the path of a disaster when told to leave, and you starve to death because you have no food, that's your choice.

I heard that some in Congress want to offset aid to victims of the storm with other spending cuts to the federal budget. Others feel that this is wrong, evil, and downright inhuman. Why? People should have insurance, and if they do, then their insurance should take care of their damages and losses. If they lost everything and didn't have insurance, well, I'm sorry, but you rolled the dice, and lost. Should the federal government be giving out aid in these situations? If so, then why carry insurance, if paying a premium every month, year after year, offers no advantage over pocketing the money?

Ignoring anything that happens anywhere else in the world, should the government be responsible for the primary funding of disaster relief and reconstruction?


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I think a 2k credit card so you can buy spinner rims and lap dances is the ticket. It worked out so well in NO.


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Well, lap dances are a necessity. Gotta keep the spirits up ......


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

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Can I ask a serious question ..... and I absolutely do not want to offend anyone .... but I just really wonder about this .....

Where does the federal government's responsibility for personal property damaged or destroyed by natural disasters begin and end?

If there is a lightning storm in Youngstown one night, and my home is hit,catches fire, and burns to the ground ... the federal government does not step in with aid, food, or even a note that says "Sorry". My insurance picks up the tab, minus, of course, my deductible, and life goes on.

It always seems like every time there is a natural disaster, like a hurricane, forest fire, earthquake, and so on ..... the federal government jumps in to help rebuild ......house people ...... feed them ...... replace lost household goods ...... and all of the things that insurance companies and property owners themselves should be doing.

Why? Not to be rude or anything .... but you assume certain risks living in certain parts of the country. If you live on a coast, you can get severe storms. If you live in parts of California, then forest fires are occur almost every year. Certain areas get tornadoes. There is a reason we carry homeowners insurance, (and/or business insurance) and, if you life in a flood prone area, flood insurance. It is to protect your investment, and to help rebuild in the even of a disaster. That is the home owner's responsibility, and the insurance company's responsibility. It is not the government's responsibility. The government can assist in things like clearing roads, providing security until local officials can handle things again, and the like. Why do the taxpayers have to foot the bill? If you choose to remain in the path of a disaster when told to leave, and you starve to death because you have no food, that's your choice.

I heard that some in Congress want to offset aid to victims of the storm with other spending cuts to the federal budget. Others feel that this is wrong, evil, and downright inhuman. Why? People should have insurance, and if they do, then their insurance should take care of their damages and losses. If they lost everything and didn't have insurance, well, I'm sorry, but you rolled the dice, and lost. Should the federal government be giving out aid in these situations? If so, then why carry insurance, if paying a premium every month, year after year, offers no advantage over pocketing the money?

Ignoring anything that happens anywhere else in the world, should the government be responsible for the primary funding of disaster relief and reconstruction?




Good post.

I'm not sure where it's written that "The federal Gov't. shall feed, house, and re-build after a storm.", but apparently it is somewhere - cause that's what the gov't. tries to do.

Did you hear that now FEMA is running out of money, and they need congress to issue them more?

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the rest of us were watching the media talk like the entire east coast had been obliterated.




^This

I don't think anyone is doubting that the storm was dangerous and that it caused damage.

The problem many of us have is that the media made it sound like the love child of Hurricane Andrew and Hugo washed ashore and sent NYC the way of Atlantis.

Instead of just reporting that it was a dangerous storm that could cause damage, the media sensationalized it. That's the problem I had with it.




Well, get ready - they're already hyping Hurricane Katia - which probably won't hit Puerto Rico until possibly Saturday. It's a cat. 1 hurricane now but "might become a cat. 3" by the time it hits land. IF it hits land.

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Yeah, but if it's only going to hit the southern states, it won't be a big deal.

But if it might hit Washington DC or New York, it will be the biggest and most important hurricane in the history of the universe.


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Yeah, but if it's only going to hit the southern states, it won't be a big deal.

But if it might hit Washington DC or New York, it will be the biggest and most important hurricane in the history of the universe.




Exactly. There was a Cat 2 hurricane that hit somewhere in Louisiana or Mississippi a couple of years ago and the media never even mentioned it. If it was DC or NY you would have heard about FEMA response, flooding, people in shelters defecating in football stadiums, homes destroyed, Army Corps of Engineers, etc. for weeks and weeks and then Spike Lee would make a movie.


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