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BEREA, Ohio -- Browns starting left guard Eric Steinbach's season is in doubt because of a disc problem in his back. And the same goes for running back Brandon Jackson with a toe injury. Coach Pat Shurmur said Jackson will be out "an extended period.'' Shurmur indicated that he's not sure when -- or if -- Steinbach will be back this season. "At this point, he's going through some treatments that we're hoping will get him back and there's no real final call yet on whether he'll be back -- or when actually,'' said Shurmur. Steinbach recently had a second opinion and doctors are trying to determined whether or not he needs surgery. If so, he'd most likely be placed on injured reserve for the season. Shurmur said rookie guard Jason Pinkston, who started in place of Steinbach against the Eagles, has made tremendous progress and is holdiing up well at a demanding position. Pinkston will be penciled in to replace Steinbach if he can't come back. Jackson, the Browns' third-down back, hurt his toe in the second preseason game against the Lions and is in a cast. Coach Pat Shurmur said he'd need to let the toe settle down a bit before he can get back on the field, which could take significant time. In addition, linebacker Titus Brown, who left the Eagles game on crutches, has a high ankle sprain and will also be out at least a few weeks. "He may be out for some time,'' said Shurmur. The Browns are already thin at linebacker with Chris Gocong still out with his neck stinger. Receiver Jordan Norwood suffered a right knee injury after cornerback Sheldon Brown inadvertently tripped him on a fair catch. Norwood was idle today with hiis knee wrapped. Cornerback Dimitri Patterson, who missed the Eagles game, had his right ankle wrapped and sat out today's walk-through. Other players idle today included Carlton Mitchell, Mohamed Massaquoi, Usama Young, T.J. Ward, Josh Cribbs, Marcus Benard and Steve Octavien. Benard suffered a shoulder injury in the game, but Shurmur didn't have details. Shurmur said Massaquoi and Young are close to returning to the practice field. He said he's not certain if Massaquoi will play in the final preseason game Thursday in Chicago. link
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This is not good news (obviously). Steinbach to Pinkston is a huge drop off.
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I agree. But, if he's going to be out, at least this gives our OL some time to gel. That might help mask Pinkston's shortcomings.
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I bet we pick up some Philly cast offs on D come cuts time.
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Phew! I was starting to worry that chicken little had gone to root for another team.
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Yup...he got abused yesterday.
He was beat once and was smart enough to grab the DT and try to pull him to the ground instead of getting the QB killed but sadly Colt still never found anyone and took a hit anyway. Other than that play, Pinkston played well. Also he is a huge upgrade in the run game.
Frankly Colt needs to learn to get rid of the ball sooner. Receivers aren't getting open, toss it out of bounds and live to the next drive. 3 and 5 step drops and noone is getting open, that has to change or this O is in major trouble.
As for the article, man these injuries are killing us. They also have tied the hands of the front office. I could see some of these guys going on IR.
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they will prolly be PUPed
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Can't PUP them, they have practiced and played in preseason. We either stash them for however long it takes, if it is expected to be less than 4 weeks into the season (maybe 6) we stash them, or IR them, that's really our only options. IR is out for the year, so I would expect we will wait til last moment to decide going on best available info at that time.
Not good losing Steiny, Pinkston did OK, but not yet as good as Steiny.
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I told yall Jackson injury was gonna be serious.. That turf toe is no joke.. Armond Smith will or should make the team b/c of it..
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I told yall Jackson injury was gonna be serious.. That turf toe is no joke.. Quinn Porter will or should make the team b/c of it..
Fixed that for ya.
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well, according to some on this board,, Stieny is awful,, should be cut, should be traded,,
No, I wasn't one of those..
IMO this is horrible news..
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No more then the Eagles rookie (1st round) OG Danny Watkins. I think Pinkston has all the physical tools, only he is being forced to play before he has it mentally.
Tough break for Stieny.
We will have to keep either Smith or Porter at RB almost certainly now. I just hope Jackson is not put on the IR and lost for the season.
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Maybe his "turf thumbs" will heal and he will hold on to the ball.
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I watched Pinkston on every snap and I was very happy with his performance...he had 1 horrible play but other than that never gave any ground be it pass or run...the OL as a whole did at least ok against top DL...the reason the Offense stunk wasn't the OL...actually they were the best news from that side of the ball...the Offense stunk because of bad play by McCoy and most receivers..the running game didn't help much either
Also, I think McCoy was put in a situation where the D knew almost always that he's going to pass...I think he got tested by his coaches if he can be productive without being "hidden" or carried by other parts (run or tricky play calling)...he failed the test and I'm sure they will gameplan for him as being a game manager
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I think the o stunk because of bad play calling to see what the receivers could do. and the couches didnt care about the score.
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I watched Pinkston on every snap and I was very happy with his performance...he had 1 horrible play but other than that never gave any ground be it pass or run...the OL as a whole did at least ok against top DL...the reason the Offense stunk wasn't the OL...actually they were the best news from that side of the ball...the Offense stunk because of bad play by McCoy and most receivers..the running game didn't help much either
Also, I think McCoy was put in a situation where the D knew almost always that he's going to pass...I think he got tested by his coaches if he can be productive without being "hidden" or carried by other parts (run or tricky play calling)...he failed the test and I'm sure they will gameplan for him as being a game manager
This beats all I have ever heard even from you. 
They put McCoy in a position to fail 
Colt McCoy didn't have his best game this preseason, but he also didn't get much help from the rest of the teammates minus Taylor and a few others.
After falling behind early Colt might have been pressing a little and by the time the rains came we where in catch up mode, when we should have been in run mode.
On defense we had to over come two fumbles in the return game and basically gift wrapped them the early lead.
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Yeah, I totally said exactly that
Which part of "tested" didn't you get? You know...there will be reg season game situations where he'll be down 2 scores or more and the D knows we have to pass...that's what I think was tested even BEFORE we were down by 2 scores...a lot of shutgun snaps with multiple WR sets although even on 1st downs when the situation doesn't call for it to give it away so blatantly...Coache's didn't care, so obv they either were like "wtf, who cares?" or they had something in mind by doing so...my money is on the latter
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Not even the fumbling, Porter just seemed to me to be more of an overall better runner, sure Smith is fast, when theres noone infront of him... But a few of those runs Porter had yesterday where gorgeous...
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Dont know if I agree entirely but I see your point.
I have noticed a lot of vanilla 4-3 schemese with skrine coming in on the nickel. We haven't blitzed a ton, haven't played a lot of base ... we're just trying to test the corners in coverage.
Granted it might not be as easy with ray ventrone and buster skrine taking 1st team reps ... but I think it's about seeing what our guys can do when it's constant 1 on 1 matchups.
Same thing could be happening with the offense? Don't design plays to win the game or use up our whole bag of tricks in a few preseason games. Let's just see who is capable of stepping up now and we can gameplan on scheme when the wins and losses count ..
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Yeah, I totally said exactly that
Which part of "tested" didn't you get? You know...there will be reg season game situations where he'll be down 2 scores or more and the D knows we have to pass...that's what I think was tested even BEFORE we were down by 2 scores...a lot of shutgun snaps with multiple WR sets although even on 1st downs when the situation doesn't call for it to give it away so blatantly...Coache's didn't care, so obv they either were like "wtf, who cares?" or they had something in mind by doing so...my money is on the latter
There is a difference in testing your players and hanging them out to dry and possibly put them in a position to injure themselves.
The Coach had certain plays he wanted to get some work on ... and we where not game planing for the Eagles specifically as we would in the regular season.
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I hate hearing that Steiny has a disc problm. I know all too well just how painful that can be.
I suspect that Steinbach, at least, will be out for the season. Turf toe can also be a season long debilitating injury ... so Jackson might be out for quite a while as well.
That really sucks. These are 2 guys who were expected to be a big part of the offense this season.
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I hate hearing that Steiny has a disc problem. I know all too well just how painful that can be.
I suspect that Steinbach, at least, will be out for the season. Turf toe can also be a season long debilitating injury ... so Jackson might be out for quite a while as well.
That really sucks. These are 2 guys who were expected to be a big part of the offense this season.
Yeah, Turf Toe can take a year to heal depending on the severity of the injury, but Stieny with a disk problem could be career ending.
I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but that's a possibility at his age.
I can't help but think how much better I would feel with Billy Yates still in the picture right at the moment.
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Yeah, me too.
Well, I'm sure that the front office has planned for the loss of a couple of OL ...... but no one can plan for much more than that. (especially on a team light on talent to begin with)
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Fixed that for ya.
Porter and Smith both suck.
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Well, I'm sure that the front office has planned for the loss of a couple of OL ...... but no one can plan for much more than that. (especially on a team light on talent to begin with)
Unfortunately this may be the end of Steiny...
Sounds like IR and gone next year or flat out released this year...
Good thing we picked up Pinky...Braxton may very well be the future RT...
Man...Young line...Get em' working together so we're set in a year or 2 for a serious push...
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Hands team didn't dress for the game. Miserable special teams really hurt us. But then the Birds had to execute. If you fumble, don't come back to our bench.  
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well, according to some on this board,, Stieny is awful,, should be cut, should be traded,,
No, I wasn't one of those..
IMO this is horrible news..
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that would be me.
IIRC most of us that bash Steinbach do so with the caveat that he is making top 5 guard money without actually being a top 5 guard performance wise. He is nearing the end of his career and 7 year $49 mil contract with the Browns that I believe ends 2013.
If Pinkston and or Greco pans out steinbach could be cut sooner rather than later. Just sayin.....
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one or both might be put on IR or Pup.
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Neither are eligible for the PUP.
another option is to put a player on the IR once the season begins and there's a chance that you could get the player back after 6 weeks on the IR, witch normally means out for 7 or 8 weeks before they are ready to contribute.
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I have to wonder if this means that we keep an extra RB or 2 when we break camp. We'll almost have to if Jackson is hurt. Hillis is Hillis, but Hardesty is still working back into form after knee surgery, and he will probably have a game here or there where he will need some time off to let his knee catch up. If Jackson can't go, then we will almost certainly keep one extra guy ..... and maybe even 2 might not be out of the question.
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That's if they are placed there prior to the beginning of the season.
Once the season starts if a player is put on the IR ... they have to spend a minimum of 6 weeks on the IR. At least that's how it used to go unless they changed the rules with the new CBA.
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I wonder of Harrison gets cut by the Lions? Probably not, since I think Best got dinged. But if he does, I'd like him for the change-of-pace RB.
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I have to wonder if this means that we keep an extra RB or 2 when we break camp. We'll almost have to if Jackson is hurt. Hillis is Hillis, but Hardesty is still working back into form after knee surgery, and he will probably have a game here or there where he will need some time off to let his knee catch up. If Jackson can't go, then we will almost certainly keep one extra guy ..... and maybe even 2 might not be out of the question.
I agree at least one more RB (4 total) with an additional RB on our PS.
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I wonder of Harrison gets cut by the Lions? Probably not, since I think Best got dinged. But if he does, I'd like him for the change-of-pace RB.
He's NEVER coming back here, if I heard the announcers right, he doesn't hate just Mangini, but the Browns overall...
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He'll go wherever he gets paid, and there's only so many J-O-B openings in the league. All that other stuff is just sportstalk.
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I'm not that high on him anyways, sure he was great for 4 games in 2009... But besides one game in which Washington couldn't stop ANYTHING Philly did, he's been below average in any chances he's had..
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That's if they are placed there prior to the beginning of the season.
Once the season starts if a player is put on the IR ... they have to spend a minimum of 6 weeks on the IR. At least that's how it used to go unless they changed the rules with the new CBA.
You're off on this Dawg...
Being placed on IR at any time means u r done for the entire season...
You're thinking about Reserve PUP...These r the guys eligible to be activated after missing 6 weeks...
Unless again this has changed with the new CBA...
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