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It's my opinion, that Double H (Holmgren and Heckert) willl bring in somebody else, either from waivers or a trade. I'm sure there will be some viable options in the next week or so.
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Dqwell Jackson is gonna LIGHT IT UP! this year, I'm right behind Dqwell Jackson, seriously
He IS better than Ray Lewis, This year for sure
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He IS a game changer! They should have kept Eric Wright too.
With DQ in the middle and E Wright in the deep zone, then you could Really have something.
guess its time for Ward and Haden, Adams Dockery and Skrine to knock it down.
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and for the poster who said they never had the big Meat bodies up front before Phil Taylor came in .... You DO mean except for the last 5 years since the day they signed Ted Washington, then replaced with Shaun Rogers most of that having also Robaire Smith and Shaun Smith and Ethan Kelley.
Ivey, and long ago Orpheous, ok nevermind They HAVE had a big PLUG STOPPER since Ted Washington, the only difference now might be the mobility of said nose tackle.
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He has never, ever, been an impact player. He has never once been a difference maker on defense. he has never once been a guy that opposing coaches say "We have to gameplan to account for him".
He has been a competent tackler. He generally tackles an opposing player when he is nearby. He does not generally make plays at or behind the LOS. He does not create sacks or turnovers. In 3 almost full seasons, he has 3 sacks. He has 4 INT. He has only forced 1 fumble. He's .... competent. By himself he will not get you beat, but he will never be an intimidator at MLB ..... he will never be a player that opposing coaches or player worry about ..... and he will never be a player who helps a defense go from decent to great. He's OK .... but absolutely nothing special in any way. Frankly I don't see what posters see in him. He's a better story than LB. He kinda reminds me of that LB we had several years ago who busted his nose open every year in camp, and that's how he knew he was ready. He always had a ton of tackles. I think it might have been Wali Ranier. He was competent. He made tackles. He was never a difference maker. Neither is DQ.
Gees Ytown,, he played two years, then injured for two years. He played in a system that, supposedly, he wasn't suited for. Not his fault, the team drafted him and put him into that system...
this is the first year since he's been here that he is supposed to be in the right system for his skills..
So far in Pre Season, I think he's been impressive.
That's my take..
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*shaking my head* all this talk about oh no a 5th rounder is going to start  I predict right now that most people will be singing another tune by the end of the season and praising our front office for Stealing Pinkston in the 5th round
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that would be a welcome situation.., I'd like nothing better. 
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We have never had a dominant defensive line. That was my point. Ted Washington was over the hill....Roye was good...Rogers was awesome when he wanted to be, which wasn't often...we've had some pieces.
Big fatty's doesn't mean you can succeed. Right now we have 2 guys that have to get consideration for a double team. That will keep the linbackers clean so they can have a shot at a runner closer to the line of scrimmage. If a guard can chip and go to the second level all the time the linebackers will be making plays 4-5 yards down the field.
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2007 vs. 2011 Cleveland Browns starters
Position 2007 2011 (Edge)
QB Charlie Frye vs. Colt McCoy (2011)
RB Jamal Lewis vs. Peyton Hillis (2011)
FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Owen Marecic (2007)
WR1 Braylon Edwards vs. MoMass (2007)
WR2 JoeJ vs. Robiskie (2007)
TE Kellen Winslow vs. Ben Watson (Draw)
LT Joe Thomas vs. Joe Thomas (2011 - he's not a rookie now)
LG Eric Steinbach vs. Jason Pinkston (2007)
C Hank Fraley vs. Alex Mack (2011)
RG Ryan Tucker vs. Shawn Lauvao (2007)
RT Kevin Shaffer vs. Tony Pashos (2011)
Offense: 5-5-1
DE Robaire Smith vs. Jabaal Sheard (2011)
DE Orpheus Roye vs. Jayme Mitchell/Derrick Robinson? (2007 - hope that's wrong)
DT Ethan Kelly vs. Ahtyba Rubin (2011)
OLB Willie McGinest vs. Scott Fujita (Draw)
ILB D'Qwell Jackson vs. D'Qwell Jackson (Draw??? - health huge here)
OLB Kameron Wimbley vs. Chris Gocong? (2007)
CB1 Eric Wright vs. Joe Haden (2011)
CB2 Leigh Bodden vs. Sheldon Brown (Draw)
SS Sean Jones vs. TJ Ward (2011)
FS Brodney Pool vs. Mike Adams/Usama Young (2007)
I would think you'd have to put in 2007 DA over McCoy. Which would be a who knows. DA played great in the first half and terrible in the second half of the season. Ryan Tucker would also have to get the nod over Lauvao, if for nothing else that Lauvao is an unkown. Tucker was solid. I think Hillis can better than Lewis but Lewis was really good in 07 not sure its easy to call that one yet.
Fujita is waaaaay better than McGinnest IMO. But Bodden would certainly get the nod over Brown. The rest I agree with though.
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Steinbach update: The agent for Eric Steinbach, Jack Bechta, said Wednesday that Steinbach's back surgery was a success and doctors expect a full recovery. "The operation went really well,'' Bechta said in an email. "There was a loose, unattached bone fragment wedge on the spinal cord nerves. It was removed and the nerves laid back down in their track and Eric is 100 percent pain free. There was no other structural damage to the nerves nor did they have to touch any of the disk. "The incident is very frustrating for Eric because he trained harder this off-season than any season prior. He really feels the line is ready to make a major improvement and still feels they will with the guys who are there now.''
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1. AVG to above AVG is what I expect of DQ....for most homers that means "bad"...for me it means what it stand for: AVG...and I consider an AVG starter a good thing to have...if we had 22 good starters we're a 7-9 wins team...AVG, for me, also means of 32 starting MLBs he's roughly among the 14th-18th best
2. Our scoring D under Mangini was "ok" because we had no Offense and played "not to lose....let's get into the 4th quarter quick"-football, NOT because our D was a Top15 D
3. I haven't read your quote...just did so now and you will be surprised: I agree with that one, as I agreed with a lot of what Mangini SAID...problem with Mangini was, is and always will be that he then turns around and often does the contrary or at least not what he said, he's simply a double-faced jerk...best example of that was Heckert's quote when he aquired Mitchell..."coach said he liked him too"...well, and then he didn't even have him active for a whole season
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Oops, I thought I was in the Steinbach thread . . .
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RE your #2, I would agree with this TWO years ago, but this was just not the case last year. We had a 4th-quarter lead in, IIRC, our first seven games and definitely put scoring pressure on other teams, much more than two years ago..
Our Defense in terms of Points Allowed hovered around Top Ten right up until the last game.
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He's actually played almost 3 full seasons, plus 6 games of a 4th ...... then he was injured for 1 and 2/3 years or so.
Anyway, I hope you're right. It would be nice to have one less hole to fill. I'm not betting on it .... but maybe this is the year he becomes a legitimate force at LB. I honestly do hope that you're right and that I'm wrong.
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I just gotta ask,, why are any of us still talking about Mangini. He's gone..he's never coming back.. Some of his decisions live on but that's it. Most of the really bad ones have been removed.
I really wish I had the "beating dead horse" graemlin to post here.
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I just gotta ask,, why are any of us still talking about Mangini
Aren't we still paying him? 
Here's a little snippet on Cousins . . .
Cleveland Browns Get Some Much Needed Help On The Offensive Line 
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When the Cleveland Browns announced earlier this week that Eric Steinbach will be placed on injured reserve, it was expected that the team would look to acquire some depth in order to help fill the massive void. Cleveland wasted no time in bringing in a little insurance as the team announced their acquisition of former Baltimore Ravens guard, Oniel Cousins.
Cousins was a four-year player for the Ravens and made a handful of spot starts while backing up some of their more experienced offensive linemen. Baltimore expected Cousins to finally step into a starting role during the 2011 season, but was simply not coming along fast enough in order to take a chance on him.
The Browns will bring in Cousins to be a backup to Jason Pinkston or any other lineman that struggles throughout the season. The Browns currently have John Greco on the active roster, but always have a need for talented linemen with the run-heavy offense they have implemented throughout recent seasons.
According to Toni Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Cousins weighs in at a whopping 310 pounds and stands well over 6 feet tall. But, what is more impressive than his attributes is his background. Cousins is a native of Jamaica and played his college ball at Texas El Paso before being drafted by the Ravens in 2007.
Expect the Browns to make some more moves on the offensive side of the ball before their opening game on September 11. However, the offensive line may now be officially set as the team will look to bring their young players up to speed and protect the ball handlers consistently.
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Aren't we still paying him?
No,, WE aren't. The Browns are still paying him but it's no money out of my pocket or yours..
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When the Cleveland Browns announced earlier this week that Eric Steinbach will be placed on injured reserve, it was expected that the team would look to acquire some depth in order to help fill the massive void. Cleveland wasted no time in bringing in a little insurance as the team announced their acquisition of former Baltimore Ravens guard, Oniel Cousins.
Cousins was a four-year player for the Ravens and made a handful of spot starts while backing up some of their more experienced offensive linemen. Baltimore expected Cousins to finally step into a starting role during the 2011 season, but was simply not coming along fast enough in order to take a chance on him.
The Browns will bring in Cousins to be a backup to Jason Pinkston or any other lineman that struggles throughout the season. The Browns currently have John Greco on the active roster, but always have a need for talented linemen with the run-heavy offense they have implemented throughout recent seasons.
According to Toni Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Cousins weighs in at a whopping 310 pounds and stands well over 6 feet tall. But, what is more impressive than his attributes is his background. Cousins is a native of Jamaica and played his college ball at Texas El Paso before being drafted by the Ravens in 2007.
Expect the Browns to make some more moves on the offensive side of the ball before their opening game on September 11. However, the offensive line may now be officially set as the team will look to bring their young players up to speed and protect the ball handlers consistently.
Whoever I used to think was the stupidest writer has just been replaced by Brian Murtaugh.
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Cousins weighs in at a whopping 310 pounds and stands well over 6 feet tall.
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Steinbach update: The agent for Eric Steinbach, Jack Bechta, said Wednesday that Steinbach's back surgery was a success and doctors expect a full recovery.
"The operation went really well,'' Bechta said in an email. "There was a loose, unattached bone fragment wedge on the spinal cord nerves. It was removed and the nerves laid back down in their track and Eric is 100 percent pain free. There was no other structural damage to the nerves nor did they have to touch any of the disk.
"The incident is very frustrating for Eric because he trained harder this off-season than any season prior. He really feels the line is ready to make a major improvement and still feels they will with the guys who are there now.''
This is great news. I know how debilitating a back injury can be. I'm glad that his was easily repaired.
What I don't understand is why he is out for the season? This sounds like a 5-8 week recovery from surgery to me. It's not like an ACL, with grafts and such. This is a pretty open and shut surgery.
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Steinbach update: The agent for Eric Steinbach, Jack Bechta, said Wednesday that Steinbach's back surgery was a success and doctors expect a full recovery.
"The operation went really well,'' Bechta said in an email. "There was a loose, unattached bone fragment wedge on the spinal cord nerves. It was removed and the nerves laid back down in their track and Eric is 100 percent pain free. There was no other structural damage to the nerves nor did they have to touch any of the disk.
"The incident is very frustrating for Eric because he trained harder this off-season than any season prior. He really feels the line is ready to make a major improvement and still feels they will with the guys who are there now.''
browno...this sure sounds like good news as the article states the problem was not a disc, such as a herniated disc.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes Steinie to recover given the fact that the surgery did not involve a disc??
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
I'm not sure if it's crazier that we only have 2 starters from 4 seasons ago or that DQ is one of those 2 guys.
I admit to being confused over this feeling that DQ isn't solid..
So far, two different regimes, 3 HC's, 3 DC's have said they like him and want him here, yet still, the thought persists that he's not all that and a bag of chips?
it's crazy because the guy has been nothing lately but injured and yet despite that has survived through 3 regimes while pretty much the rest of the roster has been purged.
doesn't that sound crazy?
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I would think you'd have to put in 2007 DA over McCoy. Which would be a who knows. DA played great in the first half and terrible in the second half of the season.
tried to do it as an August 2007 vs. August 2011 evaluation, but I know it's impossible to truly do that knowing what happened.
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thanks. it's fun to do comparisons and lists like that.
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
I'm not sure if it's crazier that we only have 2 starters from 4 seasons ago or that DQ is one of those 2 guys.
I admit to being confused over this feeling that DQ isn't solid..
So far, two different regimes, 3 HC's, 3 DC's have said they like him and want him here, yet still, the thought persists that he's not all that and a bag of chips?
it's crazy because the guy has been nothing lately but injured and yet despite that has survived through 3 regimes while pretty much the rest of the roster has been purged.
doesn't that sound crazy?
Yeah it does, which was kinda my point. If he's as bad as some on here seem to think he is, I gotta ask, why aren't the experts that run the team seeing the same things?
Or is it, hey, we'd like to dump him but until we find someone better to replace him with, he's what we got!
Is that the prevailing thought, or do they REALLY believe he's better than the fans (some fans) give him credit for being?
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I haven't seen anyone say that DQ isn't at least a decent player WHEN HEALTHY
the issue is that very few people think we can rely on him to stay healthy because of his recent history. i think that is fair.
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I haven't seen anyone say that DQ isn't at least a decent player WHEN HEALTHY
the issue is that very few people think we can rely on him to stay healthy because of his recent history. i think that is fair.
Oh man,, there has been a ton of discussion about him not being any good.. anyway,, I'm sorry, it seems I've taken this thread in the wrong direction..... sorry bout that..
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Steinbach update: The agent for Eric Steinbach, Jack Bechta, said Wednesday that Steinbach's back surgery was a success and doctors expect a full recovery.
"The operation went really well,'' Bechta said in an email. "There was a loose, unattached bone fragment wedge on the spinal cord nerves. It was removed and the nerves laid back down in their track and Eric is 100 percent pain free. There was no other structural damage to the nerves nor did they have to touch any of the disk.
"The incident is very frustrating for Eric because he trained harder this off-season than any season prior. He really feels the line is ready to make a major improvement and still feels they will with the guys who are there now.''
browno...this sure sounds like good news as the article states the problem was not a disc, such as a herniated disc.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes Steinie to recover given the fact that the surgery did not involve a disc??
mac, why are you discussing Steinbach in the DQ thread?
I was wondering the same thing. Sounds considerably less serious for HIS sake . . .
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Cousins was a four-year player for the Ravens and made a handful of spot starts while backing up some of their more experienced offensive linemen. Baltimore expected Cousins to finally step into a starting role during the 2011 season, but was simply not coming along fast enough in order to take a chance on him.
His fait was sealed due to numbers. They brought in McKinny to play LT, moving Oher to the RT position, witch RG Yanda can play in a pinch and they drafted Jah Reed (3rd round pick #85) who they are pretty high on.
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