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QB: McCoy, Wallace, Brown
RB: Hillis, Hardesty, Jackson, Smith, and Porter
FB: Marecic and Clutts
TE: Watson, Moore, Jordan, and Smith
WR: Massaquoi, Cribbs, Robiske, Norwood, Little, Mitchell, and Windsor
OL: Mack, Lauvoa, Thomas, Pinkston, Pashos, Murray, Alford, Cousins, Greco, Shaw, and Vallos
DL: Mitchell, Paxson, Robinson, Rubin, Sanford, Schaeferring, Sheard, Benard, English, and Taylor.
LB: Fujita, Gocong, Jackson, Brown, Donald, Jacobs, Maiava, and Smith
DB: Adams, Brown, Dockery, Haden, Hagg, Patterson, Skrine, Ventrone, Ward, and Young.
K: Dawson
P: McGee
LS: Pontbriand
Thanks Ytown for this.
So, it looks like maybe cut 1 RB with Jackson going PUP maybe? Not sure we keep 2 FB? Do we keep 4 TE? Cut 2 OL? Cut 1-2 DL (I'm rooting for Derreck Robinson, he impressed me in the one game I got to watch)? Cut 2-3 LB? Cut 1-2 DB? That comes to about 10. Sound about right?
Jackson can't go to PUP. He has to either be put on the 53-man roster, IR'ed, or cut.
If it looks like he's going to be out 6-8 weeks I'd have no problem putting him on IR and signing Chester Taylor as a change of pace back. He's 31, but he's also been a backup for his whole career (only 1140 career carries) so he hasn't been getting abused, and he's never played in less than 14 games in a season, so he's got to be pretty durable. Career 4.1 YPC.
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signing Chester Taylor as a change of pace back. He's 31, but he's also been a backup for his whole career (only 1140 career carries) so he hasn't been getting abused, and he's never played in less than 14 games in a season, so he's got to be pretty durable. Career 4.1 YPC.
Chester Taylor is not a change of pace back. He is not fast. He isn't even a good football player anymore. The Bears signed Marion Barber to replace him. Yes, he only has 1,140 carries in his career. He will also be 32-years-old in two weeks. He averaged 3.6 yards per carry in 2009 and 2.6 last season. People need to get their minds off Chester Taylor as a viable option for this team.
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I agree. Chester Taylor is a shell of the RB he once was.
He is a once decent RB who has gone into extreme decline.
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So it sounds like Brandon Jackson is going to go on IR this afternoon. I say we just carry Hillis, Hardesty, Smith, and Porter. No need to go out and sign any old dudes who can't play anymore.
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So you'd like to carry four running backs, three of which have never played in an NFL game?
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So you'd like to carry four running backs, three of which have never played in an NFL game?
RB is the easiest position for a player to transition from college to the pros. Hardesty played in a pro style offense. Smith has shown (in limited duty) that he can run and catch. The question is can Smith and/or Porter block.
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Over a washed up dude who I know isn't good? Yes.
Chris Ivory never played in a NFL game before last year and he rushed for 716 yards and 5 TD (5.2 YPC average) in 12 games.
Running back is an easy position to fill. If something happens to Hillis, then Hardesty you throw Smith and Porter at the wall and see if they stick. If they don't you cut them and sign someone else and repeat.
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I don't even think the blocking is that pertinent to this situation. Hillis and Hardesty will be on the field on downs 1-3 and they know how to block. Hopefully in a few weeks, when/if we need the rookies they will have learned some new tricks.
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I'm with you in that I would keep one (or both) of the rookies over a washed up, old RB. Best case scenario with one of them is that you find a gem. Best case with a guy like Taylor is that he gives you a fairly decent year then retires.
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Stafon Johnson is a good story but I don't think he is any good. He was overhyped at USC and didn't really do much.
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Weren't people high on Chris Matthews? Maybe he sneaks onto the practice squad.
So we've cut 17 guys out of 80. Down to 63. That means 10 more have to go.
Brandon Jackson likely goes to IR so that means we are down to 62. Maybe Eric Hagg goes to IR as well. 61.
Also Titus Brown has a high ankle sprain. Don't know how long that will take to heal, IR. 60.
Rod Windsor seems likely to be cut. 59.
I say one of Porter of Armond Smith is cut and we try to get one of them on the practice squad. 58.
We also three undrafted linebackers still on the team; Archie Donald, Brian Smith, and Benjamin Jacobs. I'd say at least two of them gets cut. 56.
Jarrod Shaw, Oniel Cousins, Dominic Alford, and Pat Murray. Two of them will get because we currently are carrying 11 offensive linemen. 54.
Then there are currently 9 defensive backs on the roster (if Hagg goes on IR). I'd say it's between Ventrone, Dockery, and Patterson. I say Ventrone goes. 53.
There it is. And I didn't even cut anyone we all liked.
(I'm hoping we get some guys in on trades for conditional picks. I'd really like to see Joselio Hanson come in as our third corner.)
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He could. I suspect that we will keep a young WR or 2 on the practice squad.
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Chris Ivory had two very good games and a whole lot of decidedly mediocre games. He also plays on a team with an incredibly prolific passing game. He's also on the PUP list right now.
I apologize if I'm not excited about going into the season with our backup RBs being a guy with bad knees and 195-lb fumble machine. I'd like to jettison one of the two of Smith and Porter (or both) and pick up a guy with some experience.
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Yeah, every year we have RB's that do great and get overhyped on here mostly due to playing extremely bad 3rd stringers. I don't have a problem keeping Smith, but Marecic and Porter have to go. There are upgrades to be had and signing a vet is not a bad idea to pair with the younger guys..Next year you bring in Qinn Porter part 2 who can be anyone ala Suggs ala Jennings and so on...like you say. Easy position to fill so you get a guy that is somewhat proven as insurance. No need to carry 3 guys to never play in an NFL game. Just don't see it happening.
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He's also on the PUP list right now.
That has nothing to do with the current discussion. I was saying you can just throw random guys in at running and have success. Ivory had success.
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Chris Ivory had two very good games and a whole lot of decidedly mediocre games.
And you are expecting Chester Taylor (or Tiki Barber or Clinton Portis or someone other washed up running back) to be anything better than mediocre? Ivory (who I don't think is spectacular) played in 12 games last year and averaged over 4.0 yards per carry in 8 of those games.
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If Hardesty goes our there a blows out his ACL we obviously have a problem. But until he does we are good at running back. Hillis will carry the load. Hardesty will come in and give him a break every once in a while. Is there a problem with that system (if Hardesty stays healthy)?
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if we go after a vet RB, my guess would be Brian Westbrook.
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He's also on the PUP list right now.
That has nothing to do with the current discussion. I was saying you can just throw random guys in at running and have success. Ivory had success.
Part of being successful is being durable. Your example is of a player who was not even durable enough to survive a single NFL season.
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You are aware, I'm sure, that having a good passing game makes things easier for the running game, and vice versa. Drew Brees is one of the best passers in the business. Teams respect that and adjust their defenses accordingly. Colt McCoy and the Browns' offense aren't going to get that same sort of respect until they prove that they deserve it. Until then, defenses are going to sell out to stop the run and dare Colt to beat them in the air.
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And you are expecting Chester Taylor (or Tiki Barber or Clinton Portis or someone other washed up running back) to be anything better than mediocre? Ivory (who I don't think is spectacular) played in 12 games last year and averaged over 4.0 yards per carry in 8 of those games.
I would expect a player like Taylor to be steady, to take some of the pressure off of Hillis, average around 3 yards a carry, stay healthy throughout the season and, most importantly, not turn the ball over.
I wouldn't touch Barber (personality) or Portis (injuries) with a 10-foot pole.
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If Hardesty goes our there a blows out his ACL we obviously have a problem. But until he does we are good at running back. Hillis will carry the load. Hardesty will come in and give him a break every once in a while. Is there a problem with that system (if Hardesty stays healthy)?
Until Hardesty shows that his knees can hold up to the wear and tear of 10-15 carries per game over a 16-game season, I expect us to have an economical contingency plan in place.
I'm not saying I want Chester Taylor. i would just have no problem with signing him as an inexpensive veteran insurance policy should something happen to Hillis and/or Hardesty, and I'd prefer him to Porter and Smith.
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Braxton got beat like drum in Chicago , along with the rest of the second unit !
Marecic was out played in Pre Season by the undrafted Free agent Clutts in my opinion .
Agreed, Marecic looks like dookie.
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Braxton got beat like drum in Chicago , along with the rest of the second unit !
Marecic was out played in Pre Season by the undrafted Free agent Clutts in my opinion .
Agreed, Marecic looks like dookie.
Yet, he was talked about as being one of the guys that the coaching staff liked or at least thought was coming along.. Shurmur said something to that effect in a presser..
My guess, he gets cut.. I'm still not believing we let Vickers go...
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Part of being successful is being durable. Your example is of a player who was not even durable enough to survive a single NFL season.
Who cares if a guy is durable if he is just a stopgap for a few games? If he gets hurt just IR him and get another guy just like him.
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Alright Bo Schembechler.
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Having solid backups, like Chester Taylor who was one of the worst players at his position last season. And is a year older.
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Our contingency plan is probably to throw crap at the wall (i.e. Chris Ivory). Because if Hillis and Hardesty go down we will probably be chucking the ball 45 times a game.
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if we go after a vet RB, my guess would be Brian Westbrook.
That is the one veteran guy that makes the most sense. He knows the offense, was successful in the same role he would have here last season, and fits exactly what we need.
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Yeah, every year we have RB's that do great and get overhyped on here mostly due to playing extremely bad 3rd stringers. I don't have a problem keeping Smith, but Marecic and Porter have to go. There are upgrades to be had and signing a vet is not a bad idea to pair with the younger guys..Next year you bring in Qinn Porter part 2 who can be anyone ala Suggs ala Jennings and so on...like you say. Easy position to fill so you get a guy that is somewhat proven as insurance. No need to carry 3 guys to never play in an NFL game. Just don't see it happening.
Chris Barclay anyone?
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lmao @ dookie..
in regards to the cuts.. no surprises.. I was hoping Tarver would stick, but maybe he goes to PS.
Chris Matthews goes to PS too.. Someone could snag him, but I doubt it..
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Marecic was out played in Pre Season by the undrafted Free agent Clutts in my opinion .
Agreed, Marecic looks like dookie.
Yet, he was talked about as being one of the guys that the coaching staff liked or at least thought was coming along.. Shurmur said something to that effect in a presser..
My guess, he gets cut.. I'm still not believing we let Vickers go...
Yeah, not happy with that pick. Not happy when we made it, and certainly not happy after 4 preseason appearances. I called him out after the first game, and got some flack for not giving him time. I didn't see anything that would make me change my mind after 4.
He plays with zero intensity, like you want with a fullback. He ain't clearing out anyone, that's for sure. And as far as catching out of the backfield, up to this point, he ain't any better than Vickers. So much for that versatility. I'd rather have someone like Vickers planting guys on their ass.
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Ok, so you'd prefer bringing in young RBs who stink, and I'd prefer bringing in a veteran RB who stinks. In the end its all going to be the same.
Brian Westbrook? So now you'd prefer a guy who's older than the guy you don't want, has injury issues and hasn't played football since January?
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Ok, so you'd prefer bringing in young RBs who stink, and I'd prefer bringing in a veteran RB who stinks. In the end its all going to be the same.
At least bringing in young players you have some chance for upside.
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Westbrook played in 14 games last season. He averaged 2 more yards per carry than Taylor (he had 73 more yards than Taylor with Taylor having 35 more attempts). He also had more TD's and receiving yards. Like I said before, he also knows the offense (as does Taylor).
As a part time (meaning only if Hardesty or Hillis are on IR) player Westbrook is a perfect fit for our team.
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Then we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about a 3rd running back.
Westbrook lit up the Cards twice last season (worst team in the worst division in the NFL), and averaged 3 YPC in all of their other games combined (125 total yards).
Look, I'd have no problem bringing Westbrook in, either. I just find it funny that you're railing against bringing in Taylor at this point in his career when Westbrook is the exact same player.
As for all the UDFAs and roster castoffs, bring one in if/when one of our backs goes down for good during the season. Until then, keep them far away, please.
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Look, I'd have no problem bringing Westbrook in, either. I just find it funny that you're railing against bringing in Taylor at this point in his career when Westbrook is the exact same player.
They are quite clearly not the exact same player.
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Cleveland Browns running back Brandon Jackson might be headed for injured reserve Published: Saturday, September 03, 2011, 1:29 PM Updated: Saturday, September 03, 2011, 2:04 PM By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer Brandon Jackson's season might be over before it began. He's a candidate for injured reserve with his toe injury. BEREA -- Browns coach Pat Shurmur acknowledged today that running back Brandon Jackson might be headed for injured reserve as the Browns trim their roster to the final 53 by 6 p.m. "We've got to make that call here coming up,'' said Shurmur. "There is a chance he can go to IR.'' Jackson suffered a toe injury during the second preseason game against the Lions and has been in a cast ever since. If the Browns determine that he'll be out longer than six weeks or so, they might shelve him for the season. If Jackson goes to IR, it increases undrafted rookie Armond Smith's chances of making the team. The Browns will also scour the waiver wire for available third-down backs and other positions. What they find there might impact their decision on Jackson, who was signed as a free agent from Green Bay to a two-year deal worth $4.5 million. "I feel like they believe in me,'' said Smith. "But they haven't given me any indication. "If I'm still here, I'll be even hungrier.'' In other Browns news: * Shurmur said rookie safety Eric Hagg, recovering from knee surgery, is still a candidate for the 53. * He said there's a chance linebacker Titus Brown (ankle) can still contribute. "He's done a good job in terms of competing and doing what he has to do to make the team. We're anticipating there's a chance he could be back soon.'' * He said Mohamed Massaquoi will be ready for a full game against the Bengals. "I think based on what I saw today, he'll be available,'' said Shurmur. "We'll play him and I'm anticipating everybody that's suited up needs to be ready to play every snap.'' * Rookie cornerback James Dockery tweeted this morning: "It's official I made it! Officially a Brown!!! God is Great! * Shurmur said tight end Ben Watson (hip), who was idle today, should be back in practice next week. "My understanding is he'll be back out here hopefully.''' He said linebacker Chris Gocong (hip) is getting closer to practicing. web page
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I liked Octavien as well. I agree with the others here that we will cut more than 10 to get to final. These are all available later for the PS if we need them I think. Kinda liked Ivey; Marecic hasn't done enough IMO. Could Clutts beat him out? 
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I can't imagine we cut marecic since we drafted him.
I wonder when word will beging to filter who the other cuts were??
These first 16 were pretty expected....the next wave might contain a surprise or three.
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Article yesterday said not til around 9pm, when NFL releases all teams 'official' list.
Doubt there will be many surprises.
I think we might keep two FB's. Marecic hasn't blown anyone away, obviously, but neither did Vickers in his first camp, and esp as Mo tried to make him a featured FB, haha. However once things slowed down for him and he found his niche he was spectacular. Hated to see him go, but Owen deserves at least a little more time before writing him off with just 1 limited off-season and training camp. imho
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Some new names, I don't recall Brown or Clutts being on a previous version of cuts. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82..._content_streamOL Dominic Alford, OL Branndon Braxton, QB Jarrett Brown, DL Andre Carroll, WR L.J. Castile, FB Tyler Clutts, LB Archie Donald, OL Calton Ford, DB Coye Francies, TE Evan Frosch, DB Carl Gettis, LB Eric Gordon, DL Travis Ivey, WR Chris Matthews, LB Steve Octavien, RB Quinn Porter, DL Ko Quaye, DB Ramzee Robinson, DL Brian Sanford, OL Jarrod Shaw, LB Brian Smith, DB DeAngelo Smith, LB Sidney Tarver, OL Phil Trautwein, WR Rod Windsor
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The remaining 10...
Dominic Alford-OL
Jarrett Brown-QB
Tyler Clutts-FB
Archie Donald-LB
Quinn Porter-RB
Brian Sanford-DL
Jarrod Shaw-OL
Brian Smith-LB
Rod Windsor-WR
Placed on Injured Reserve (1):
Brandon Jackson-RB
We dumped Clutts and kept Marecic... Not sure I agree with that one.
Brown, now that one I agree with. So who's our 3rd QB, Cribbs?
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I guess the "Keep Smith over the 3rd QB" argument is over...
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Dominic Alford-OL
Jarrett Brown-QB
Tyler Clutts-FB
Archie Donald-LB
Quinn Porter-RB
Brian Sanford-DL
Jarrod Shaw-OL
Brian Smith-LB
Rod Windsor-WR
Placed on Injured Reserve (1):
Brandon Jackson-RB
We dumped Clutts and kept Marecic... Not sure I agree with that one.
Brown, now that one I agree with. So who's our 3rd QB, Cribbs?
Gotta be honest, the only 'surprise' is that Brian Smith was cut. I liked what I had seen and expected him to squeak on the roster. I liked Ben Jacobs as well and hoped both would make it, so at least one has thus far.
Of course this probably isn't the 53 we go into week 1 with, but it is where we are now. Time to see if we make any moves on other teams cut list.
Statistics are like a bikini; what they show is interesting, but what they hide is vital.
Drive for show (1st round), Putt for dough (rest of draft).
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why is alex smith still on this team?
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I was on the Browns website 15 minutes ago and was looking at who else they were going to cut, hit refresh, and the final roster was uploaded. Kind of funny they updated while I was looking.
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