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Why would he ruffle Ozzie's feathers? They are good friends. I think Lewis is here for a legitimate purpose.
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The guy can still be productive. I also think he is an upgrade over Droughns. When we got Droughns I thought we got us a good hard running back, a bruiser who puts forth extra effort. Last year he regressed. He fumbles, he goes down way to often at first contact or with arm tackles. Comparing production from last year Player Att Yds Ave. Long TD Lewis 314 1132 3.6 52 9 Droughns 220 758 3.4 22 4 Based strictly on stats, (which doesn't tell the whole story), Lewis is more durable, has better break away speed and can get into the endzone. Hell he had 2 more touchdowns than our entire team. I hated the guy because he played for the Ravens. Like Roye, Baxter, and now Steinbach I will love them on Sunday as long as they are in a Browns uniform and producing. 
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if the price is right, I'd be OK with it. He's close to the end, but I think he might have another year or two or good production. Maybe being dumped will light a fire under his rear end. I just can't see us keeping Drouhgns and Lewis on the roster.
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im just waiting for the link that says we signed him  .. please get it over with Savage... just tell him that yall go back and that yall are homeboi's.. works everytime.. lol... 
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i think the people that say this are still bitter from the time that Lewis said he would get over 300 rushing yards against the Browns.. and then he did it.
Not a thug, just a man of his word.
I'd like to see him here, he owes us a crap load of yards.
Now if we could only get Baltimore to sign Wali Ranier ...
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I agree with you...sign J. Lewis to a fair deal for 2 years. Draft J. Thomas at 3 or 4[ if Tampa wants to move up to 3 and give us another pick later in this year's draft]. Use the high 2 and 3 picks to go D line. In 2008 get your feature back once the Oline has worked together one full season[baring any major injuries]. The better o-line and better defensive front gives us a better chance on an 8-8 season and excites the fans and players for a big run at the prize in 2008.
Damn, if it was just so simple!
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You know what I don't like , plain and simple ???? Folks talk about all the banditos on the bungles or the Ravens .. How " At Least " we are w team with character .. And then some crime lord ( who still has some gas in the tank ) and you want to throw it all out the window !  Kinda reminds me of how our Govt. works in Washington 
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Jamal Lewis was convicted of a crime he committed before he was an NFL back. Right?
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You know what I don't like , plain and simple ???? Folks talk about all the banditos on the bungles or the Ravens .. How " At Least " we are w team with character .. And then some crime lord ( who still has some gas in the tank ) and you want to throw it all out the window ! 
Kinda reminds me of how our Govt. works in Washington
Crime Lord? LOL!! So Jamal Lewis is now the Godfather. Nice. Look, people are realizing that we need to win NOW and some are willing to do that at all costs in order to avoid another regime change and 3-5 years more of rebuilding. I can't say I blame 'em.
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As long as Phil Savage is here, we wil never agin be "Re-building"
Just building. Regimine change or not.
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Take it from Denver... you can never have too many HBs... granted the line is built to allow school girls to run through it... but... with the line that we're designing we could start doing that.
Everyone has been saying that Droughns is not an every down back so when someone who can punish the D as well comes along people start pass...
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Jamal Lewis was convicted of a crime he committed before he was an NFL back. Right?
Right. IIRC, he hasn't been a charcter problem since he hit the NFL. Browns fans love to bag on him for that coke conviction because he's a Raven, and he's run over us in many games. Put him in a Browns uniform, and the first time he bowls over a couple of defenders and scores a TD, he'll be a loved him in Cleveland.
Besides, have you seen this guy's FEET??? 
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Besides, have you seen this guy's FEET???
They are so Quick!!! 
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Absolutely NO to Jamal Lewis.
This conversation is jsut amazing me. We want to OVERPAY (and with this yaers market, you know we'd overpay) for Jamal Lewis... a running back who has been steadily declining for two seasons.
For this, we want to dump Droughns, who was everybody's hero in his first year here but didn;t perform well behind a junk line and not being given enough carries last year.
Does anyone realize how poorly we utilized Droughns last year? This is a guy who is a pound the ball back, who typically will get his yards by wearing down a defence. But with the mess we had on offense last year, we abandoned the run far too early. Hell, there were a few games where he rushed the ball less than 10 times.... ridiculous.
No, he didn;t look as good as the previous season. Seemed a step slow...some attribute this to a nagging shoulder injury but who knows. But lets really look at what he was working with....Our offense was anemic last year. Both in production and playcalling.
This is the kinda thing that drives me nuts about some of our fan base. We are so damn flighty. The guy has a disappointing year...immediately people call for his head.
IF we want to upgrade, fine. Get Adrian Peterson. But a worn-out Jamal Lewis is NOT the answer nor is he an upgrade. What he would be is a waste of free agent cash.
Give Rueben a chance and let him do what he does best...pound the football. Give him a better line and he'll produce like he did in 05. Maybe not All-Pro, but a legitimate running game.
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"Does anyone realize how poorly we utilized Droughns last year?"
Was that before or after he was nursing his shoulder or other injuries.
Oh no wait...it must of been when we had all that momentum and he just coughed up the ball to the opposition. Yeah I know...we needed more RD last year.
He broke one tackle all year...ONE and that is not an exxageration. The OL was PO'd at him cause they opened holes and he got there after they closed. The OL was all giggles when Wright a total mediocre RB came in cause it was so refreshing having a guy hit the hole quickly!!!
I'm sorry RD did show me something in 05...but whatever that was - it didn't appear once in 06.
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I already stated I'd only want him at a decent cost, but the so-called "declining" in the past couple of seasons isn't a deal-breaker, IMO. He very well might have one more 1,400-1,500 yard season in him. When I think of an RB who supposedly declined and then rejuvenated their careers, I think of a Mark Riggins type or possibly Anderson (Otis??) with the Giants.
Either way, I'm not married to the idea of Jamal Lewis... just speculating about if it happens....
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Source: Jamal Lewis to visit Browns Jeff Schudel JSchudel@News-Herald.com 03/07/2007 NFL's single-game rushing leader from Ravens could make free-agent visit to Cleveland as soon as today Free-agent running back Jamal Lewis plans to visit the Browns this week, possibly as early as today, now that the Ravens are actively seeking another running back to replace him, according to a source in Baltimore. Lewis was released last week by Baltimore in a salary-cap move, and at the time Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said he would like to re-sign Lewis to a more cap-friendly contract. That has not happened, and now the Ravens are talking with the Bills about a possible trade for Willis McGahee. They are also interested in Dominic Rhodes, the free-agent running back from the Colts. Lewis, 5-foot-11, 245 pounds, has played seven seasons, yet he won't turn 28 until Aug. 28. He carried the ball 314 times for 1,132 yards and nine touchdowns in 2006. The only season he did not gain at least 1,000 yards was in 2005, when he finished with 906 yards. He missed all of 2001 with a knee injury and bounced back to rush for 1,327 yards. A year later, he set an NFL single-game rushing record against the Browns when he gained 295 yards. He rushed for 205 yards in the other Cleveland-Baltimore game that season, giving him exactly 500 yards against the Browns in a season in which he finished with 2,066 yards. Browns coach Romeo Crennel has talked about using two running backs the way the Colts did with Rhodes and Joseph Addai. Reuben Droughns, who rushed for 1,232 yards in 2005, is under contract with the Browns through 2009. Droughns' production fell to 758 yards last season. Most draft projections have the Browns taking Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson. Signing Lewis would not necessarily mean the Browns would not draft Peterson, but they would not have Lewis, Peterson and Droughns on the roster. Jason Wright, second among Browns running backs last season with 189 yards, is under contract through 2008.
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It wasn;t necessarily more Droughns..but more runs. And given Droughns was our priamry back..yueah..we needed more of him.
How do expect a guy to get going having EIGHT carries all day? You don;t control when you start breaking off longer runs... Giving Rueben eight chances for a whole game is ridiculous.
I'm not saying he didn;t seem a step slow last year...He did. But I'm not willing to overpay for Jamal Lewis to come in and provide similar results. Its freaking ridiculous.
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how much did we offered jammal?
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You know what I don't like , plain and simple ???? Folks talk about all the banditos on the bungles or the Ravens .. How " At Least " we are w team with character .. And then some crime lord ( who still has some gas in the tank ) and you want to throw it all out the window ! 
Kinda reminds me of how our Govt. works in Washington
Crime Lord? LOL!! So Jamal Lewis is now the Godfather. Nice. Look, people are realizing that we need to win NOW and some are willing to do that at all costs in order to avoid another regime change and 3-5 years more of rebuilding. I can't say I blame 'em.
" Crime lord " was a bit of a joke " Hello " ? 
" at all costs " ..... " I can't say I blame 'em... " Well thats were we differ " I can " 
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Okay waterdawg, but when we still have 20+ million of cap space and we're still about 3-4 more really good players away from being a legitimate threat to any team in the league, we gotta do whatever it takes to upgrade our team IMHO. I do NOT want to see another regime change, whether Phil stays or not. It disrupts continuity and we haven't had that since we came back. Now, I'm not saying JL is THE ANSWER by any means. If anything, I think he may be better than Droughns and a servicable stop-gap until we can get a franchise RB in here. Some people are saying that AP is that back and I was one of them until we signed Steinbach and Detroit found their LT through FA. But now, if we can sign Lewis and take Thomas with #3 overall, I think we would be well on our way to building a strong team for a considerable amount of time. And that's all I could ever ask for.
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That is a good point on hitting holes. Droughns is about as good at that as Terry Kirby was...it is just that terry had a REAL bad line in front of him.
A good back is going to make the line, as it is, look much better than people think.
Holes don't say open for 2-3 seconds..they stay open for one. You better have a back who can hit the thing.
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I hope we are able to sign lewis to a reasonable deal. Something around 3 year $15 million would be appropriate I think. Lewis has been a player who I've thought for several years is a threat to comeback to prior form. The ankle injury he suffered at the end of the 2004 season was very serious (it's seriousness was underreported, because this was the same time he went to jail for the drug charges.) and he had to rehab his ankle on his own in prison, not an easy task. Given that, his poor showing in 2005 is very understandable, personally I didn't feel he played too badly last year, he was consistent in the short yardage game, which is what the ravens needed, and I'd like to have the big power back like Lewis.
Even a large contract, as long as it is short term, won't hurt us that much as we have the immediate salary cap room. There's no use in being $20 million under the cap every year, as long as you have the room to sign free agents the next offseason. Lewis is a big improvement over Droughns, and I believe, can still be an every down Running back in this league.
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Was that before or after he was nursing his shoulder or other injuries.
Oh no wait...it must of been when we had all that momentum and he just coughed up the ball to the opposition. Yeah I know...we needed more RD last year.
He broke one tackle all year...ONE and that is not an exxageration. The OL was PO'd at him cause they opened holes and he got there after they closed. The OL was all giggles when Wright a total mediocre RB came in cause it was so refreshing having a guy hit the hole quickly!!!
I'm sorry RD did show me something in 05...but whatever that was - it didn't appear once in 06.
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That is EXACTLY how i feel about RD. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Just clicking Wow, all the hate,, geez,, you would have thought that Lewis was involved in a murder plot of something. Look, I'm one of those fans that put character before ability,, Let me say this about Lewis,, he broke the law,, he did it before he was an NFL back,, He got recognized for it after he became an NFL Back,,, so the assumption is, he's a bad guy.. He might have just been a DUMB kid doing something that a lot of us did in college (well, not me  ) and just didn't get caught doing... Does that excuse it,,, Nope,, not at all.. But he paid his debt to society and that should be the end of this issue because as far as I know, he hasn't had any other problems since returning to the NFL after his prison term ended. One thing for sure, it's hard for Browns fans to forgive him for running for 500 yards against us in one season,,, and I"m sure that some of that hatred lingers which is causing some of you to not want him here But go look at last season,, Lewis had a down year.. One of three things is true,, you choose. 1. He's running out of gas and is nearing the end of his career 2. The Ravens relied on McNair more last year thus worked more on Pass protection than run blocking 3. The Ravens Oline is getting older and not as good as it once was heralded to be.. I supposed it could be a little of all three,,, wouldn't surprise me in the least if that were the case.. My point is,, Lewis is a better back today than Droughns has ever been (and let's not forget the character issue,, droughns isn't exactly a boy scout either) As for drafting Peterson and teaming him with Lewis or Droughns,,,,PLEASE! Someone tell me,, what's gonna be different in the NFL than in College for Peterson... I'm one of those guys that think a lot of Petersons ability,,,, he can bring a lot to a team,,, If He can stay on the field.. I know,, I know,, every player runs the risk of getting injured,, sure it's true,, but why would you want the Browns to use a high 1st round pick on a guy that hasn't even been healthy in College,,, He's gonna get hit harder in the Pros people,,,, It just doesn't make sense to me,,, Sorry,,, But NO to peterson is my vote.... Sign Lewis,,,, Trade or cut Droughns,, Draft Thomas if he's there..if not, try to move down.. JMO however
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One thing everybody seems to be forgetting in this thread is that Lewis made a lot of noise last year about not getting enough carries. He did a lot of complaining that he needed 25 to 30 carries per game to be successful. I don't think he would be happy sharing the load with RD, and he may be looking to go to a team that will make him the feature back.
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Good point GM. So here's what I'd do if I were Phil... tell Lewis to sign and cut Droughns, avoiding the bonus pay he's due. Make Lewis the feature back and then go one of three routes in the draft... a) Draft Peterson and give him a light load to carry in his rookie year. Learn behind Lewis and don't take the brunt of the carries or the wear and tear that comes with it. b) Draft Thomas and Lewis will be the stud back he was in Baltimore making him more than satisfied with his decision to come here. All the while, you're grooming another back like Harrison, Wright, or a mid-rund draft pick. Or maybe even looking to see who will be available next year in FA or the draft. c) Trade down, acquire multiple picks and draft Levi Brown and some other stud to fill an immediate need (Cornerback).
Obviously, you wouldn't tell Lewis which way you're leaning. Just tell him he'd be the feature back. You have a great relationship with him from your days at Baltimore. Use that to get him in the door. I'm not saying lie to the guy but just make him think he's going to be THE guy for 2007. And in any of those 3 scenarios, he will be.
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I'm not sure I like your 1st option: IMO, if a supposed franchise back is drafted, you don't groom him for a year like you would a QB. An RB has a short shelf life, a stud back's rookie year needs to be a productive one.
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I see what you're saying, but if Lewis demands to be the featured back and Peterson's injury history is in question, then it would make sense to mix him into the rotation and develop a situation where RAC finally has his change of pace back to keep defenses honest. If shelf-life is a concern with a stud RB, then preserving his ability is crucial. Letting Lewis take the majority of the load achieves this by allowing Peterson to get his feet wet, adjust to the physical demands of the NFL, and to allow all injuries in question to fully heal.
Anyway, it was just one option. I'm not saying that it's the way to go. More of just something to tell JL should he have any questions about our intentions in the draft.
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I wouldn't mind Lewis, especially if he rips off 300+ yards in his first game against the Ravens. 
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I see what you're saying kardiac, but a back taken at #3 should be expected to produce right out of the gate.
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Then you have the problem of Lewis bitching and pouting as soon as the draft is over. Not a good idea. IMO IF we would sign Lewis he would have to have a change of attitude, and we would have to be up front with him from the get go.
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I see what you're saying kardiac, but a back taken at #3 should be expected to produce right out of the gate.
Outside of QB, who's ever taken at number 3 should be expected to produce right out of the gate.
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What transpires with this situation will give us a better picture of what Savage intends to do...
If he signs Lewis and keeps Droughns in house, I think it's safe to say we wont be using pick #3 on a RB. If he signs Lewis and releases Droughns the possibility exists for a RB at #3. If he doesnt sign Lewis the possibility for a RB at #3 still exists.
One thing I'm certain of, Savage has been blowing smoke for the better part of a month. One day it's Quinn the next it's Peterson then it's Russell if he falls.
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It would be different if RD is a solid Vet and never misses a game and is accountable - but he has been oft injured and he lays the rock on the ground as much as anyone and always at an ill opportune time I might add...and we haven't had many opportune times!
Just so you know Jamal Lewis will lay the rock on the ground alot too. I'm willing to bet he's lost more fumbles in the past two years than RD.
That being said I wouldn't mind having him if it's not in combo with RD. We don't need two pounders we a change of pace back like Adrian Peterson!
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Mydawgs, For some reason i can't respond to your post. found this while researching fumbles... Least fumbles in a season.... Quote:
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Jamal Lewis had 4 fumbles last year and Rueben had 5 fumbles last year.
Leading the league....Rudi Johnson and Willie Parker
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GM: I'm not saying that Phil should be deceitful with Jamal. I say you tell him he's gonna be the feature back (if that's what he wants) and he will be in 2007. But he's got to know that there are plans to develop a back behind him to get in the mix and to share some of the load. Not much, just some. He's got to realize that there isn't a team out there who is going to take him and make him their feature back without a viable backup in mind. He's not going to be THE guy for anyone for too much longer. You make him THE guy for the immediate future and just develop someone to take his place as THE guy down the road.
lampdogg: Reggie Bush, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, Laurence Maroney... just a few of the RBs taken in the last two years who weren't drafted to be the featured back right out of the gates. Their respective teams mixed them in to the rotation behind another back furthering the development of the ever-so-popular two-back system that many NFL teams are using lately. No reason we couldn't do that here.
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