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When discussing Lewis on ESPN John Clayton said that Lewis suffered from bone spurs then entire season which I believe he has or will have taken care of.
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I heard that too, and I beleive he has already had the surgery. I could be wrong though
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Yeah,,GM,,, He did make a stink about it,,but he did average about 20 carries a game.. Not equally spread over all the games but still,, So what's wrong with giving him what he wants,, 25+carries a game,, sounds fine with me Personally, I have no problem with him being our feature back.. aslong as he can carry the load,,, Let him. I do think that a 2 or 3 year contract would be as far as I would go with him however,, If he does the job in 2007,, Great,, then you can go out and get a stud QB if needed or a Stud RB next season... Now your starting to build for today and the future, You gotta like that 
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So what's wrong with giving him what he wants,, 25+carries a game,, sounds fine with me
AS long as he's productive, no sence giving him 25 carries for 10 yards, if he can get the job done, no problem, if he cant and we have to throw, than we throw...
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So what's wrong with giving him what he wants,, 25+carries a game,, sounds fine with me
Nothing wrong with giving him 25+ carries IF he can produce and IF we can get him for the right price
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IMO IF we would sign Lewis he would have to have a change of attitude...
He needs to come from where he felt unwanted or at least underappreciated to a place where he is held in high regard and is the undisputed feature-back of the world. If he is regarded, treated and played as the feature-back, gets a complete change of mind and attitude as a result, then you'd have the Lewis of a couple of years ago. He'd put a hundred on the Rat's twice in '07. He'd be rejuvinated.
If not. If we run a game on him, he'll be discouraged, often disgruntled and likely to not have his heart fully in it. At this point of his career his heart has to be totally into the game and to being a team player.
Lewis could work if the conditions were right.
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j/c Well, so long as people are trotting out stats, ponder these: RD received 25+ carries only TWICE in 2006. The results: 100 yds vs OAK 125 and 1 TD vs NYJ I think the truth about RD lies somewhere between the two extreme agendas around here.  The bottom line is that you have to know how to use your personnel. RD is carries-eater. The more he gets, the more effective he becomes. Lewis is the same kind of back. If we dole out the coin to bring him in, then we better use him properly or he'll look a lot like RD did last season.
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Lewis could work if the conditions were right.
I agree, but splitting carries with RD would not be the right conditions as many people were suggesting earlier in this thread.
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Well, so long as people are trotting out stats, ponder these:
RD received 25+ carries only TWICE in 2006. The results:
100 yds vs OAK
125 and 1 TD vs NYJ
True, but also, both teams were giving up a 130+ avg per game rushing, and the last 2 team sin rushing defense that we faced. So don't put too much stock into those numbers.
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RD received 25+ carries only TWICE in 2006. The results:
100 yds vs OAK
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True, but you also have to consider did we abandon the run because Droughns was being ineffective and that we were playing from behind.
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How can you judge effectiveness over 5 or 6 first half carries?
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The point was (and still is) you have to know how to use your people. I'd be OK with either RD or Lewis. However, if we don't use them in a way they can be most effective, they aren't going to look any better running than RD did last season. Jamal Lewis and Droughns are bruisers who get better as they get more carries. If we're not going to use them that way, then they're just taking up roster space.
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The point was (and still is) you have to know how to use your people. I'd be OK with either RD or Lewis. However, if we don't use them in a way they can be most effective, they aren't going to look any better running than RD did last season. Jamal Lewis and Droughns are bruisers who get better as they get more carries. If we're not going to use them that way, then they're just taking up roster space.
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A halfway decent O-line will also help wonders!!!! Shocking, I know.
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I'd say the Browns were in most of the games we ended up losing. There were only a few where we were so far out of the game that abandoning the run altogether was necessary.
Lack of identity is only one of many problems the Browns offense had last season. Good running teams don't always break off huge chunks of yardage early in the game. However, they keep hammering away at it and by the third quarter they often start chewing up yardage like mad. We'll never know, but I would be willing to bet that if the Browns committed to running the ball 25 - 30 times a game last year (and stuck to it), not only would the offense have looked better, but we probably would have beaten the Steelers and Ravens at home (and perhaps won another game or two besides).
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j/c Lewis is still a decent back who can carry the load, he did have over 300 carries last year and broke 1000 yds. Droughns looked slow last year and did suffer from a shoulder injury, but hitting the hole is something he seems very slow at. It was suggested above that his injury might have contributed to this. A shoulder injury slows his feet? GMAB. Did anyone see Lewis behind their struggling Oline last year? He did more pitty patting than Willie Green. I can hear the bashing already. The Oline has Steinbach now, but other than him it's still the same line. I'm not assuming they will be any better,YET. IMO Droughns is what he is, a converted FB with no speed who in the past earned many yards punishing the defender. I believe those days are over. Lasy year he showed no spark or attitude, and definately looked as slow as molasses. Lewis is slowing, but still effective. Anyone who believes he is the same back that ran all over us a few years ago is mistaken. He is better than Droughns as anyone can see, well maybe not Toad, but average is where they both rate at this point in their careers. All the talk about the line improving makes me wonder how good guys like Wright and Harrison would look with some holes opening for them. I don't want Lewis due to money and his time in the league, but between him and Rueben, it;s a no brainer, give me Lewis. He was said to have a bad year last year but still had 1000 yards. Rueben look below average last year, after he got his money , Lewis looked good, not great, but still did better than Droughns. I like many want Thomas at #3, but if he's gone, give me Peterson and his abilities now rather than a few years from now after he too takes a beating,
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dont want him.....past his prime.....draft the kid from Oklahoma
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As I've been saying for the last week or so, I would like to see Lewis here, provided we can sign him for a reasonable amount.
He's a good back and the injury did bother him two years ago. He played much better last year. He isn't what he once was but he would be an upgrade and allow us to concentrate on other needs in the upcoming draft.
Drafting Joe would help. Lewis could run behind our left side and pick up decent yardage. He also is more effective running to his left. He has good cutback ability and he does have quick feet. He has good power and better speed than he is given credit for.
In addition to allow us to fill other needs this year, we could postpone drafting a RB this year and grab one in next year's draft, which is going to have a strong RB class.
Provided he isn't too expensive, I see this as a good move.
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How can you judge effectiveness over 5 or 6 first half carries?
It was a general observation and a question for thought. 6 carries to 25 is a big difference. Plus no one said we abandoned the run after 6 carries or in the first half or whatever.
I just remember there were plenty of games where we were throwing alot late in the game to come from behind and when we would throw on third and short because we didnt have faith in the run.
Droughns averaged just under 16 carries a game. Those extra 9 carries per would be late in the game, if we were wearing down the clock or if we were still running in the 4th quarter which we rarely did.
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"I don't think he would be happy sharing the load with RD, and he may be looking to go to a team that will make him the feature back."
I gurantee you we sign Lewis...there is no "SHARE" business. Lewis gets the ball till he needs that breather - in comes RD...one, two plays...Lewis comes back in. There also was a rumor that we were shopping RD. We are not happy about dishing out a 1.5 mil roster bonus come 3/15.
If we sign Lewis...that thing I said about Breather - well in comes Wright/Harrison...one, two plays - Cause RD ain't going to be here.
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In addition to allow us to fill other needs this year, we could postpone drafting a RB this year and grab one in next year's draft, which is going to have a strong RB class.
You are correct sir!! If we pick up Lewis and keep RD, which we should, we are set at RB until next year or possibly 2 years. That would allow us to ignore Peterson and take Big Joe. I hope.
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I honestly don't think savage takes Peterson anyway. That is more a ploy to drive some trade business. If we stick at 3, it will be one of Johnson,Quinn, or Thomas.
Which one...a good arguement could be made for any.
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The only reason I think he'd take Peterson is because it appears that he may have a "thing" for Okies.....But I think if we get Lewis and keep RD then the temptation to take AP if he's there would be gone. We could fill another need. Like LT.
I'm not as enamored of Quinn as Diam but BQ wouldn't be a bad pick. I'd rather have Jemarcus (more upside) but I doubt Oakland or Detroit are both dumb enough to let him pass. We'll see. The good thing is, I don't think we can screw this up. Whoever we get should be a big help immediately, or at the very least by mid season.
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The more I think about this, the more I think you hit the nail on the head Eo,,, I think your right. doesn't it make you feel important to know that the Smartest person in the world thinks your correct about something? 
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Hey GM, Everybody, Let me ask this ONE question to you all, As hard as you all were on J.Lewis and his "off-field problems", You know the drugs and the crack deal over the phone, etc...Now you will take him in a heart beat ????  Is that being just a wee bit hypocritical after all of the name calling he received from the Browns fans???? Please help me to understand this all of a sudden " forgive and forget" attitude...... 
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Was I the only one who just did a doubletake when the announcer on ESPN just said that the Browns would be better off grabbing Lewis because he would be $10 million cheaper and would bring the same production as Adrian Peterson? Either he thinks that Lewis has alot left OR he thinks our line will be that bad again & it doesn't matter who you put back there.
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some of us are a little pragmatic about the situation our team is in. It's a little hard to relate because your team is stacked with talent. really stacked. We have major holes from the outright retard drafting we've had here.
the way I see it is the guy seems to be clean now and he is an upgrade. why not improve your team?
sometimes the voice of the loudest is not the view of the majority.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I really wouldn't say we are stacked now, we are losing players now like Homer Simpson is losing his hair.. ...I don't know WHO is going to be on the team this season now other than Billick (the other chin)......
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This may sound rather childish but I want to win now. We must win now. Lewis is an upgrade over Reuben Droughns. I don't care if you think I'm a hypocrite. I want him in Orange & Brown.
Eotab: I hope you're right about your guarantee. That was quite bold actually 'round these parts. Anyway, you said to put RD in there when JL needs a breather but then you go on to say RD won't be on the roster. Slight confusion on my part but I think I know ultimately what you're saying.
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Hey GM, Everybody, Let me ask this ONE question to you all, As hard as you all were on J.Lewis and his "off-field problems", You know the drugs and the crack deal over the phone, etc...Now you will take him in a heart beat ???? Is that being just a wee bit hypocritical after all of the name calling he received from the Browns fans???? Please help me to understand this all of a sudden " forgive and forget" attitude......
It's easy to name call (and hate) when they are on the opposing team. Truth is.. the "coke deal" was a conversation he had for a friend on his cell phone. It was never FOR him. A stupid mistake hanging with the wrong person a half dozen years ago. Lets look at him for what he's been since entering the league.
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I guess I wouldn't be a good Bengal fan than huh.......
Well that depends...do you like making it to the playoffs once in 15 years?  Sorry refs too easy, I know this aint the shack.
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I guess I wouldn't be a good Bengal fan than huh.......
I would MUCH rather sign Jamal Lewis then sign someone, one toke away from a year suspention and pay him (probably) just as much.
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Dammit bigbaddawg! Now the karma police are coming after us. It'll be 2018 before the Browns even get a wild card bid. *I would use a smiley but it's really not funny*
feel free to sacrifice me to the football gods if we don't get there by 2015 
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Read it on tthe OBR message board that Jim Donovan of WKYC is reporting that Lewis is still in town and has already taken a physical. We are in current contract negotiations with him and it could get done soon.
I'll try to confirm it..
Bye Bye Droughns!
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