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I just believe that we really need to fix the offense. WR, QB and OT are the biggest needs. Other than Matt Barkley, Landry Jones is the only other guy I would consider. With those first 3 picks, we could turn weaknesses into strengths. A guy like MoMass would be awesome as a #4 guy. Broyles would beast as a #3 and Little would be awesome as a #2. Reiff gives us two bookend tackles. Believe me I hate the idea of drafting RT high in the draft.

Broyles dropsies worry me. I dont have a problem with RT or even guard in the first if they are clearly the best player available at that point in the draft. Those types are very rare in my opinion, we have one of those guards this year.

Luck just flat out said he won't return next year.

Not a real shocker.

Yesterday just reemphasized how elite this class of QBs are.

Barkley is solidifying his place as my #2 overall player. I would take him No. 1 if Luck weren't in this draft.

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He was throwing an ugly ball last night from what I got to watch, the ball didn't have much rotation on it.

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I beg to differ on this statement ... He threw some on a rope last night and his delivery was quick and compact. His foot work was also very good and that translates to a well thrown ball. He also had many dropped balls that very much should have been caught.

He doesn't have the extra dimension of his legs that Luck has, but his arm is right on par with Lucks.

I'll take any of the big 4 and be very happy.

Yep Jones, Luck, Barkley and Tannehill.

Only watched the highlights of the Oklahoma game, but my Lord, Landry Jones has a freakin' cannon!

tannehill can't even beat a .500 mizzou team

seriously though, he's been up and down so much that he might be the heir apparent to Tony Romo. that's been better than what we have had, but it sure would bge frustrating as well

A&M should have won the game but that loss had absolutely nothing to do with Tannehill. He played a great game. Almost every single throw he made against Missouri hit the receivers hands. I doubt he threw 5 passes all game long that weren't catchable, one being the tipped ball to end the game and another being the pick when his arm was hit.

I want Jones since the Browns have no chance at Luck. I view Barley as a McCoy with slightly better tools. Jones has a cannon with a quick release and has really improved his accuracy.

I like Barkley but he is my 4th QB. I would be more than happy with any of these kids but I have them listed as:

1. Luck
2. Jones
3. Tannehill
4. Barkley

hence the for the mizzou reference.

he was more at fault in the first 2 A&M meltdowns though

I want Eddie Royal so he can be a slot guys for us.

1a Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma - 6'4 230 with a laser arm. Has decent mobility and good accuracy. 

1b Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - Reminds me of a bigger Santonio Holmes. He has great hands. He can find open spots in zones. He doesn't shy from contact. He does well after the catch.

2 Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State - Massive frame. Has light feet.  As a pass blocker he can move well for his size. He can create movement in the run game and match up with his power.

3 Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College. - Solid size, can play physical man to man. Would be a very solid #2 CB.

4a Jay Howard, DT, Florida -
Has very good size and can move well. Excellent against the run. Provides depth for our two big men in the middle. 

4b Mitchell Schwartz, OG, California - Provides depth at OT or OG.  

5 T.J. Barnes, NT, Georgia Tech
- A massive human being at 6’7” 333lbs. He is still quick enough to shed blockers. An interesting project.

6 Troy Woolfolk, CB, Michigan - Depth that has played in an NFL defense.

7  Blake Gideon, FS, Texas - Depth

I love the skill Michael Floyd has. I am still concerned about the injuries though. He always seemed to get injured and miss a few games.

if those injuries make him slip (like Eric Decker last year), then I'd jump at drafting him. but, picking him in the 1st round with his history seems risky to me.

Every week I want chase minnifield more and more. Big strong kid, tackles great in the open field, big time hitter, athletic, makes plays on the ball, and we could finally correct not drafting the matthews brothers.

Don't agree with that, I loved the Mack pick and still do.

Yeah, our Offense finally took off after picking him

Give me Brewster in the 3rd or David Molk from Mchigan in the 4th-5th and move Mack to G already

I'll throw out my 1st mock too:

1a WR Blackmon - Okie St

1b QB Weeden - Okie St...yeah, hate away

2 DE V.Curry - Marshall (or OLB Irvin - WVU, CB Judie - TA&M)

3 OT/G Adcock - Okie St

4a CB Hayward - Vandy

4b WR TY Hilton - FIU (WR AJ Jenkins - Illinois)

5 CB/FS Golden - Arizona

6a DE Alexander - Oklahoma

6b OLB Kaddu - Oregon (OLB Whitehead - Temple, DT Sweezy - NCST, DT D.Harris - USC)

Your mock draft was beautiful, except for this pick;

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1b QB Weeden - Okie St...yeah, hate away

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Yeah, I know I'm pretty alone on this one around here but I really, really like his skillset

I'm not a huge fan of Bunting (nfp) but he has a pretty accurate scouting report on Weeden:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=38638

A strong, well put together quarterback with a live arm and the ability to make all the throws with ease. Is a former second round pick of the Yankees in 2002, but his baseball career ended in 2005 due to an arm injury. Enrolled at Oklahoma State in 2007 and took over as the starter in 2010. Plays in a spread and takes nearly all of his snaps from the gun. Displays sneaky athleticism for his size and exhibits a natural feel inside the pocket. Keeps his eyes down the field when he feels an outside rush, can maintain balance when stepping up and throw absolute darts all over the field. However, gets too upright at times in his drop, causing him to struggle to quickly re-set his feet and really stride toward his target. Will fall off his fair share of throws when he feels pressure inside causing his accuracy and decision making to struggle because of it. When he does have more time does a much better job bending at the knees and really transferring his weight well, generating good torque from his lower half. Can really spin the football on all levels of the field and exhibits good accuracy and ball placement both in the intermediate and vertical passing game. Anticipates routes well down the field, snaps his head around quickly when working off play action from the gun and can fit the ball in tight areas on time with receivers. Also, displays "plus" touch vertically down the field, routinely drops the football into the outstretched arms of his target and looks comfortable using the same throwing motion.

Will drop his arm angle down a bit underneath in the short passing game where he gets lazy with his plant foot and his ball placement will struggle because of it. Is a smart kid who does a nice job recognizing defenses with his pre snap read and as the year went on did a better job looking off safeties and working through his progressions across the field. Gets a bit unbalanced with his footwork when working his way across the field because he gets upright at times, but should improve with more experience. Will throw blind when going back across the field and get himself into some trouble with interceptions because of it. Is a good enough athlete to throw on the move, isn't going to be dynamic by any sense in the open field, but can create time for himself when flushed from the pocket and scamper for additional yards.

An older prospect who will turn 28 years old in October.

Impression: His age will likely keep him from going as early in the draft as his talents deserve. But there isn't a throw this guy can't make and he has the skill set and mental make-up to mature into a potential starter with some time.

Give it up, man.

If you want to pimp a 3rd-4th round QB, fine. But, you're gonna suggest we should jump on him in the first?

Al Davis, is that you?

at the end...scouts and GMs decide...and they LOVE and value good tape...and on tape Weeden is the 2nd best QB in this class (oh look, Luck and Weeden are undefeated too)...if I can't get Luck, I take Weeden...if that's mid/late round 1 with the ATL pick or in the 2nd I don't care...but Weeden won't fall into the 3rd

remember Danny Watkins? He's a G, he'll turn 27yo in a couple of days...and he was drafted in the 1st by the Eagles...a GUARD !! now imagine an overaged QB with good tape and the fact that 10 or so teams are in a QB hunt come draft day...

at this time last season nobody saw Ponder as a top 15 pick...and Kaepernick and Dalton were mid to late rounders

Weeden is a top50 pick (and if 1 of RG3, L.Jones, Tannehill return for their SR season a 1st round lock) and if you really want him you have to take him no later than late 1st

Like Oklahoma State much?


I just wonder if a guy like Weeden, with his age and need to still grow a bit, might not be available in the 2nd round. (or maybe even 3rd)

I doubt that a team with a well established starter is going to go for a guy who might be 31 or 32 by the time he makes it off the bench.

Funny thing about Danny Watkins.

He sucks.

Now I will wait for your reply to try and prove that statement wrong in order to try and strengthen your argument.

I don't know what it is, but I just don't like Wheedon as an NFL prospect. I've watched probably 3 or 4 OkSt games this year. He's really good don't get me wrong, but I just hope we don't take a shot on him.

I love Weeden's arm but his age combined with the system, makes him a pretty big risk. 29 year old rookie that has never played in a pro scheme. Teams will also be asking him, why baseball over football, don't you love the game? He is gonna get his game picked to death over the coming months.

At the end of the day someone is going to take a shot on him because of that terrific arm. That will likely come in the 2nd round.

Hell I know...I mocked him for the Browns in round 2 and I couldn't believe how bad he played when I saw him...pretty strange as he was considered by pretty much anyone as "sure" a spec there was in that draft...gotta be nerves or mental stuff because dude can play

I don't think age has anything to do with his failing so far....correlation doesn't imply causation

As for Weeden: Many scouts say "if he was 23/34, he'd be top 10 guy", Bunting even said he'd rank him higher than Jones...and I think that's stupid...if he has top10 tape, he's a top10 prospect..end of story...rookie contracts go 4-5 years...he'll be 28 to 32 throughout his 1st contract....so much happens in the meantime you never know IF you want to keep him etc...if you do, at 32 and at QB there are still 3-4 good years left...if not, if he fails or whatever....wouldn't it be better to have failed on a late 1st than high 1st (maybe even more to trade up for a Jones or Barkley) when their game is considered equal? Only because they're 5years younger?

Everyone talks about BPA....Best PLAYER Available, NOT youngest projectable player...there isn't even the upside excuse as Weeden's upside is as high as any QB in the draft

However, age does have to be a factor for those teams who have an established, or potentially established QB already.

If the Patriots, for example, feel that Brady is going to be able to play for another 5 years, they probably aren't going to invest a high pick on a guy who probably won't see the field until he is 33. Same thing for a team like the Rams. They probably aren't going to give up on Bradford for 3-4 years ...... and a guy like Weeden would be 32-32 then.

Age will play a factor in those types of cases, and will, potentially, push a guy like Weeden further down the draft board, as there are fewer teams he would fit with.

Mourg, I'm coming around a bit on your boy Tannehill..saw him play last week against Mizzou and he looked good...you're right, he'd be a good fit and has a lot of upside left, probably the most among the top QBs (to be fair he's more raw than the other 1st rounders too, so there's that)..I'd be ok with him with the ATL pick...but he needs to sit his rookie year....that means we need to sign a vet FA QB and trade Colt for whatever we can get

What do you guys think we'd get for Colt this offseason?

That's a good point and absolutely valid...I just thought of his value for a team like us....you're right, probably less teams will rate him according to his tape but that's actually a chance for teams like us to get a pretty good talent on the cheap...

but ultimatively since we're talking QB....all it takes is 1 team to really like him and I think that he'll be "plan B" for several teams in the hunt for a QB come April