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I think that the Browns would take a guy like him ..... if they saw him as a potential starter a year or so down the road, and if they thought that McCoy was probably not going to be the answer. I just don't see us taking him in the 1st. I truly believe that the "backup age" factor will push him down the draft charts quite a way, and with 3-4 other potential 1st round QBs in this draft, (and teams with holes filling them) I can see him winding up 2-รป. (or maybe even lower)
I just wish we could get Luck and be done with it ..... but that's a pipe dream at this point.
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Watching A&M it is alarming at the difference QB play makes in the exact same system compared to the Browns. That little drag route that we run constantly with the TE or RB results in huge gains for A&M when they are often more covered than our guys. The difference is the ball gets there before the defense can converge and the A&M receiving options aren't breaking stride.
Colt throws that pass, it is most often slightly behind the target.
Hell those 12yard curl routes, we can't run because the ball takes so long to get there. As much as Tannehill has convinced me of his talent, he has convinced me Colt's shortcomings are killing us.
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Man, I love the way he puts the ball right on the receivers as they break.
He got that one unblocked blitz, (right around 2:20 or so) and the ball was out immediately. It was incomplete, but he recognized what was happening, and delivered the ball before the free blitzer could get to him. The ball went off his receiver's hand, but it was right there.
Then, of course, the very next play he gets strip sacked.
Man he does a nice job on those slants though. That ball is out immediately.
That play at 8:50 or so is a thing of beauty ..... under heavy pressure and he throws a beautiful fade for the TD. Nice pass.
He makes a few mistakes, but overall I see some nice things there.
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I agree, what a quick release. I loved that roll out to the left....he still got the ball off accurately with mustard on it. He made some bone headed decisions, but LSU's about as close to an NFL defense as there is in college. That was a good video for evaluation. It wasn't just bloated highlights.
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Shotgun, short passes over the middle to stationary receivers, rollouts, scrambles, and checkdowns... Where have I seen this before?
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Too bad he has no deep ball from what I've seen.
I'll pass.
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I really haven't seen anything except that clip ..... so I was basing my comments solely on that.
I believe that he is fairly green too, isn't he?
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That's a huge reason why I say no to him. He would be a bigger project than Colt because he is still incredibly raw.
Has there ever been a succesful NFL QB that played mostly WR in college?
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I know of a lot of WR who played QB in college ..... but not the other way around that I can think of.
However, if he was a WR, I am very impressed as far as his quick release and his quick decisions.
That's usually where a lot of QBs fail.
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Too bad he has no deep ball from what I've seen.
I'll pass.
Obviously, you have never seen him play if you question his deep ball.
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I'll pass.
Obviously, you have never seen him play if you question his deep ball.
What's your definition of a deep ball?
Throwing floaters and having Jeff Fuller play jump ball and catch them?
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His arm is right behind Jones and Weeden and they have two of the best arms you will ever see. Jones and Weeden are in the Marino, Derek Anderson, Bret Farve type arm strenght.
Now if you consider a 25-30 yard rope a deep ball then he can throw that and throws it well. He isn't asked to make that throw very often however.
Now if you want a 45+ bomb down the sideline, dropping into the hands of the receiver, Luck is probably the only guy in the draft that drops it in better than Tannehill.
Tannehill's throws are mostly of the 15 yards or less variety as he is running the same offense we are currently running. He just has the arms to make some of the throws our current QB has trouble making.
Again, to say he doesn't throw the deep ball well is a falsehood.
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Brandon Weeden is also a grown butt man. Dude is almost thirty years old.
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I want to see proof because I don't believe you from the games I've seen.
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A&M and Oklahoma play 3:30 est on either ABC or espn 2. Not sure what is up with that. Anyway, will be a terrific game to compare Jones and Tannehill. I want to see more of these guys, well of Barkley, Jones and Tannehill anyway lol.
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A&M and Oklahoma play 3:30 est on either ABC or espn 2. Not sure what is up with that. Anyway, will be a terrific game to compare Jones and Tannehill. I want to see more of these guys, well of Barkley, Jones and Tannehill anyway lol.
since I have been the anti-Tannehill guy on here, I've got to bump this. sorry mourg.
game was pretty obvious that landry is leaps and bounds better. part of it is that he has better weapons and a better OL (and playing a worse DL), but his 20-30yd passes were on a line. Tannehill's were lobs (even the TD pass was a lob - not nearly as bad as Pryor-jobs, but especially next to Landry's passes they did not look NFL-caliber)
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I wasn't impressed with either of them in that game, but there were 30 mph winds. That could factor into it. And, I'm not going to judge them on one game.
I know Landry Jones has a cannon. You see some of his highlights from other games, and it's ridiculous. I just haven't seen enough of Tannehill to really form an opinion.
I'm firmly in the Justin Blackmon camp right now. That guy is a downright stud.
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game was pretty obvious that landry is leaps and bounds better. part of it is that he has better weapons and a better OL (and playing a worse DL), but his 20-30yd passes were on a line. Tannehill's were lobs (even the TD pass was a lob - not nearly as bad as Pryor-jobs, but especially next to Landry's passes they did not look NFL-caliber)
I agree with this.
Weeden made a lot of bad throws on Saturday, too.
Barkley doesn't have the gun that Jones has, but he showed some really nice touch on some deep balls.
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i watched some of the USC v. Colorado game. thought Barkely had a non-descript game because his WRs were so open on those deep plays.
he had a much better game to judge on last week vs. Stanford where he was getting the ball into tight windows (he does not have the gun as you mentioned, but getting into those windows was impressive - especially on fade routes)
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game was pretty obvious that landry is leaps and bounds better. part of it is that he has better weapons and a better OL (and playing a worse DL), but his 20-30yd passes were on a line. Tannehill's were lobs (even the TD pass was a lob - not nearly as bad as Pryor-jobs, but especially next to Landry's passes they did not look NFL-caliber)
I agree with this.
Weeden made a lot of bad throws on Saturday, too.
Barkley doesn't have the gun that Jones has, but he showed some really nice touch on some deep balls.
Weeden's 2 INTs were pretty bad but the guy was 36of46 for 502yds against a ranked team and they put up 52p...."a lot of bad throws" is a little exagerated imho
Landry DOES have a great arm but the last scouting vid I saw of him showed a really RAW shotgun passer who locks onto his 1st option and needs complete overhaul of his mechanics...you absolutely can't put him on the field anytime in his rookie season...he needs to sit 1 full season minimum
Barkley is more day 1 ready but has less ceiling...the question here is how much he can improve
Tannehill is a project but I like his upside
They all would be upgrades over Colt talent wise
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Landry DOES have a great arm but the last scouting vid I saw of him showed a really RAW shotgun passer who locks onto his 1st option
I agree with this part, I can't comment on mechanics but he pretty frequently was able to go to his first option. He manages to pile up a lot of stats, throw the ball with a lot of velocity, yet somehow look not that impressive (see also: v. Texas this year)
You're right, "a lot" (regarding Weeden) is a mischaracterization. He threw several bad passes, not just the picks. It was my first time watching him and I was hoping to see him play well. He did make a handful of really good throws, but too many iffy ones for me.
Tannehill just looks like a bigger McCoy to me. Dumps, screens, passes over the middle, stop/hook routes... not much downfield or in-stride passes. Maybe it's just the offense they run but there was nothing that said he was a good prospect. Also, I haven't seen him really shoot the ball into a tight window like Jones was able to.
I can see where you're coming from with Barkley in that he also doesn't have a real strong arm. I used to think that was overrated, which made me not impressed with guys like Rodgers, Cutler, Newton, and Stafford and overrate guys like Bradford, McCoy, Quinn, and Leinart.
You've got to have a strong arm.
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Weeden's 2 INTs were pretty bad but the guy was 36of46 for 502yds against a ranked team and they put up 52p...
Who cares...U don't bring a QB that is that damn old into ANY franchise other than as a Back-Up...Get off the Weeden BS...
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GREAT arms don't mean squat...The OU offense is nowhere near an NFL caliber offense...THIS is the kid that will have the most difficulty transferring to the NFL...Bradford's having the SAME damn problem so far...Landry's STARTS are gonna be a problem also...There is a MAJOR difference concerning College STARTS when it comes to NFL success...It's PROVEN and has been documented numerous times...(Not lookin' it up yet again)...And Newton is having fun right now...Wait till this league gets a BOOK on em'...
STAY AWAY FROM JONES...I don't care what he does in Indy next spring...He's AT LEAST 3 years away from grasping any NFL caliber offense...Spreads DO NOT WORK in the NFL...
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Tannehill is a project but I like his upside
The most OVERATED word pertaining to any collegiate QB is "UPSIDE"...Upside what???...What's the upside???...Is he gonna get taller???...Stronger arm???...Fix his mechanics???...Learn to look off a defender???...Pre and post snaps read???...Learn to read an NFL Defense???...
It's NOT UPSIDE...It's called EXPERIENCE...
Barkley is more Day 1 ready but u like Tanny's "UPSIDE"...
Don't over-think it...Which is exactly what u guys do...And it's got everything to do with this "Upside" thing u refer to...
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Then who's your QB of choice and why?
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Who cares...U don't bring a QB that is that damn old into ANY franchise other than as a Back-Up...Get off the Weeden BS..
I hate to agree with anything this guy says, but I think this is true.
This time next year Weeden will be thirty-years old. Not exactly a guy you will have leading your franchise for the long term future.
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So he has at most, what... 7 or 8 years in the NFL?
When was the last time we had a QB that played for that long on our team? Sipe?
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Well, at 30, though, he's not going to be able to take the inevitable beating as well as a guy in his low to mid 20s.
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But he might be mature and developed enough to get the ball out quickly, before the rush crushes him.
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Or he might be so old that he's already starting to lose his reflexes 
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But he might be mature and developed enough to get the ball out quickly, before the rush crushes him.
He also might be dominating college football because he's a grown man with average talent.
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This time next year Weeden will be thirty-years old. Not exactly a guy you will have leading your franchise for the long term future.
Little correction..he got 28yo in October, so he will be a 28-29yo rook when the NFL season starts next year..his rookie contract will be for 5years max, so his last season of that contract he will be 32/33yo...not exactly too old for a QB
Again, most scouts LOVE him and on tape he's the 2nd or 3rd best QB....I've follwed this hype fest for too long....the closer we get to draft day the more tape will prevail (with some Mike Mamula-Al Davis-like brainfart picks mixed in)
We could have the unique chance of drafting a day 1 ready WR-QB combo....while Im no fan of drafting WRs in the top 10, we have a huge need there and backing Blackmon up with Weeden would solve some offseason or early season "chemistry" problems on top 
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Spreads DO NOT WORK in the NFL
as long as you are willing to ignore a bunch of components from the offenses of GB, NE, Buffalo, Carolina, NO, Philly (less so with them), etc.
then again, we run the WCO and it doesn't seem to be working in the NFL 
I agree to some point though. Landry is going to have to adjust to not having all day to throw, his WRs not being so wide open, and not having every athlete having an advantage on the field for most games.
that's been a problem with college QBs since the beginning of time though (football was there since the beginning of time, right?).
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Even if, talent-wise, Weeden is a top two or three QB in the draft don't you think teams will/should be scared off by his age.
If he's there in the third round take him. But when drafting a player in rounds one and two don't you expect them to be around a little longer?
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here's a question because I could not think of any recently.
who was the last NFL player drafted in their late 20s that had success in the NFL?
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Glad to see you're not averse to taking Blackmon with our first pick. I haven't been this excited about a college player since Lesean McCoy.
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There are rarely any NFL players drafted in their late twenties. I can only think of two, this past draft Danny Watkins was taken by the Eagles (he was 26). And Chris Weinke who was 29 during his rookie season, he was taken in the 4th round.
Just curious, what was the take on Chris Weinke coming out of college?
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There are rarely any NFL players drafted in their late twenties. I can only think of two, this past draft Danny Watkins was taken by the Eagles (he was 26). And Chris Weinke who was 29 during his rookie season, he was taken in the 4th round.
Just curious, what was the take on Chris Weinke coming out of college?
Quan Cosby was 27 or 28 as well (Bengals cut him when they replaced him with ex-Longhorn teammate Jordan Shipley)
i don't really remember much on Weinke other than there were alot of people that were really high on him for winning the Heisman, beating Vick for the nat'l championship, being dominant for FSU, etc.
there may have been as many detractors (I just don't remember those offhand)
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Glad to see you're not averse to taking Blackmon with our first pick. I haven't been this excited about a college player since Lesean McCoy.
I remember you pimping him hard before that draft and your "gut feeling" was spot on, so that bodes well for Blackmon, who IS a top talent at a top need position for us, so that makes him pretty valuable for our 1st pick
I have him in my 1st mock along with TY Hilton (speed) in the 4th for the slot....that would give us a depth chart of Blackmon-Little-Hilton-Cribbs-Norwood
I would look to trade Massa if he catches a 4th or better, if not keep him around...he's just so meh across the board and I hate his effort
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Well, I don't feel like I'm really going out on a limb pimping guys like Lesean McCoy or Blackmon.
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Well, I don't feel like I'm really going out on a limb pimping guys like Lesean McCoy or Blackmon.
I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret, this Aaron Rodgers guy, he might make it in this league.
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