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Makes you wonder.....just where is the line drawn for having a free protest and one that requires permits and is charged for security and cleanup?

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That's why they have ordinances.

Found this interesting... both girls sound very bright and well grounded, odd that twins would end up so far apart... both of them should come here.

‘It Gets Heated’: Twin Sisters Divided Over Occupy Wall Street
By Enjoli Francis | ABC News – 3 hrs

Growing up, twin sisters Nicole and Jill Carty had a lot in common.

But around the age of 14, Nicole Carty told ABC News today, they started going in different directions — and they never stopped, with Nicole Carty attending Brown University for a degree in sociology and Jill Carty heading to the University of Pennsylvania to pursue degrees in international business and studies.

Now with the Occupy Wall Street movement more than a month old, the recent Ivy League graduates have found themselves on Wall Street but on opposing sides.

Nicole Carty, who works for a television station, spends her free time in Zuccotti Park, Occupy Wall Street’s headquarters, organizing general assembly meetings for the demonstrators.

Jill Carty works for a company that assists financial service clients. She said although she agreed with some of the protesters’ sentiments, she did not support more government regulations and intervention.

“I feel that’s what’s gotten us into this mess in the first place,” she told ABC News Wednesday. “There are always unintended consequences with government intervention.”

She said it was no secret among her family that she and Nicole Carty had different views on Occupy Wall Street and its message.

“I’d be very much more pleased if she [Nicole Carty] would be able to come up with solutions to these problems [voiced by protesters] that use the tools of the country and the world like economics and things that I feel have potential really to change the way that things work and the way people behave,” Jill Carty said.

But Nicole Carty said that her sister’s politics were completely wrong and off base.

“[Jill Carty] lacks a fundamental understanding of structural oppression that is inexcusable and immature,” she said. “She just really trusts capitalism and doesn’t recognize that capitalism is kind of responsible for a lot of the injustices we have in the world.”

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Now we can have a name for our philosophies and I can say.. "That is such a Nicole Carty thing to say."

Another champion joins the cause...

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/form...street-movement

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David Duke, a former grand wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, has joined President Barack Obama,

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There is a sentence I never thought I would see. Politics sure does create some odd bedfellows.

Yep He supports the Tea Party too. See the video I posted.


It seems the Tea Party is doing everything they can to attack the OWS movement. They've even hijacked this thread.

I see you deleted your Michael Moore post, but here's a little story about the self proclaimed one percenter:

Newsbusters

After Lying About His Wealth on National TV, Michael Moore Admits He's A One Percenter

On Wednesday NewsBusters exposed Occupy Wall Street supporter Michael Moore for lying on national television about his wealth.

Clearly feeling the pressure to come clean, the schlockumentary filmmaker took to his blog Thursday to set the record straight - kind of:

Twenty-two years ago this coming Tuesday, I stood with a group of factory workers, students and the unemployed in the middle of the downtown of my birthplace, Flint, Michigan, to announce that the Hollywood studio, Warner Bros., had purchased the world rights to distribute my first movie, 'Roger & Me.' A reporter asked me, "How much did you sell it for?"

"Three million dollars!" I proudly exclaimed. A cheer went up from the union guys surrounding me. It was absolutely unheard of for one of us in the working class of Flint (or anywhere) to receive such a sum of money unless one of us had either robbed a bank or, by luck, won the Michigan lottery.

Moore went on to explain what he did with his jackpot:

1. I would first pay all my taxes. I told the guy who did my 1040 not to declare any deductions other than the mortgage and to pay the full federal, state and city tax rate. I proudly contributed nearly 1 million dollars for the privilege of being a citizen of this great country.

2. Of the remaining $2 million, I decided to divide it up the way I once heard the folksinger/activist Harry Chapin tell me how he lived: "One for me, one for the other guy." So I took half the money -- $1 million -- and established a foundation to give it all away.

3. The remaining million went like this: I paid off all my debts, paid off the debts of some friends and family members, bought my parents a new refrigerator, set up college funds for our nieces and nephews, helped rebuild a black church that had been burned down in Flint, gave out a thousand turkeys at Thanksgiving, bought filmmaking equipment to send to the Vietnamese (my own personal reparations for a country we had ravaged), annually bought 10,000 toys to give to Toys for Tots at Christmas, got myself a new American-made Honda, and took out a mortgage on an apartment above a Baby Gap in New York City.

4. What remained went into a simple, low-interest savings account. I made the decision that I would never buy a share of stock (I didn't understand the casino known as the New York Stock Exchange and I did not believe in investing in a system I did not agree with).

It really is something when a man lies to cover up his lies.

After all, in 2005, Peter Schweizer in his book "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy" included a copy of Moore's schedule D from one of his tax filings showing that the schlockumentarian at one point owned almost 2,000 shares of Boeing, nearly 1,000 shares of Sonoco, more than 4,000 shares of Best Foods, more than 3,000 shares of Eli Lilly, more than 8,000 shares of Bank One, and more than 2,000 shares of Halliburton.

As Schweizer told MSNBC's Joe Scarborough on November 3, 2005:

PETER SCHWEIZER: Well, Michael Moore has said at least half-a-dozen times, I don`t own a single share of stock, because he considers investing in the stock market to be dirty money.

Well, I guess he is technically correct. He doesn`t own a single share of stock. He owns tens of thousands of shares of stock. And what is interesting is, is looking at the portfolio.

Michael Moore, yes, the same Michael Moore, owns shares in defense contractors like Boeing. He owns...

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JOE SCARBOROUGH: No. Well, hold -- hold on. No way. You are telling me...

SCHWEIZER: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: ... that Mr. "Fahrenheit 9/11" profits off of the war, because Boeing profits off the war, that he despises?

SCHWEIZER: Yes, that`s exactly right. He owns shares in Honeywell.

And, believe it or not, Joe -- it`s on the back cover of the book -- he, in recent years, has owned shares in Halliburton, the Darth Vader of corporate America.

SCARBOROUGH: OK. Hold on. I got to stop you, Peter...

(LAUGHTER)

SCARBOROUGH: ... because this guy said that he doesn`t invest on Wall Street. Are you telling me that he just is just lying to us?

SCHWEIZER: It`s a flat, bald-faced lie. When he says that he doesn`t own shares, I pulled IRS forms from a tax shelter of his. And he has hundreds of thousands of dollars on the stock market.

Right now, for example, he is preparing a film on pharmaceutical companies, attacking the health care industry. In recent years, he has owned shares in Tenet Healthcare, which runs HMOs, Pfizer, and Eli Lilly. He is a complete hypocrite on this front.

SCARBOROUGH: And we have got to go to a break, and I want to talk to you on the other side.

But, just before we go to the break, are you telling me again that Michael Moore has owned stock in Halliburton?

SCHWEIZER: Yes. That`s what his IRS forms -- and he signed his own IRS forms.



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...s#ixzz1cD8trGD6

I ONLY deleted it because of the language in the video.

I like Michael Moore. You should visit his site: web page

And I'm at the point with this that I just really don't want to argue with the Tea Partiers... You can't win arguments that are not based in logic or fact. I don't believe in the tooth fairy or the republican/tea party agenda.

This cracked me up, and even the Tea Party people could use this;

National Journal

Occupy D.C.? Most Back Protests, Surtax

by Matthew Cooper
Updated: October 19, 2011 | 12:40 p.m.
October 18, 2011 | 9:35 p.m.


CHET SUSSLIN
The Occupy Wall Street movement that started in New York City spread to Freedom Plaza in Washington D.C.
At a time when protests have erupted across the country over a growing inequality of wealth and Congress is considering measures to impose a surtax on those earning more than $1 million annually, the public seems to be in a populist mood—one that’s tempered by skepticism about Washington’s ability to do anything about the grim economy.
A new survey shows that Americans overwhelmingly support the self-styled Occupy Wall Street protests that not only have disrupted life in Lower Manhattan but also in Washington and cities and towns across the U.S. and in other nations. Some 59 percent of adults either completely agree or mostly agree with the protesters, while 31 percent mostly disagree or completely disagree; 10 percent of those surveyed didn’t know or refused to answer.
What’s more, many people are paying attention to the rallies. Almost two-thirds of respondents—65 percent—said they’ve heard “a lot” or “some” about the rallies, while 35 percent have said they’ve heard or seen “not too much” or “nothing at all” about the demonstrations.
From National Journal:

NATIONAL SECURITY U.S. POWs Not National Issue, Unlike in Israel

POLLMost Back Occupy Wall Street Protests

ANALYSIS White House Showing Tough Immigration Front
The results appear in the latest edition of the United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll.
When it comes to the question of how to pay for the Democratic jobs bill, most respondents were more than willing to place a special burden on the wealthy. Those surveyed were asked about a possible 5 percent surtax on those earning more than $1 million annually. The idea got considerable discussion earlier this fall when Congress considered President Obama’s jobs package. Senate Republicans united against the bill and were joined by some Democrats, making it impossible for the measure to pass in a chamber where 60-vote majorities have become the norm because of filibustering. Still, a whopping 68 percent of adults support the Democratic surtax to pay for the cost of their jobs plan. Only 27 percent opposed the tax, while 5 percent didn’t know. Men and women split almost identically on the issue, and black non-Hispanics were more supportive of the surtax than white non-Hispanics, with 84 percent supporting the idea.
Congressional Democrats and Obama can also take comfort from Americans’ reaction to Senate Republicans blocking the nomination of Richard Cordray, the former Ohio attorney general, to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, an agency created in the wake of the financial crisis to look out for the interest of citizens. More than 40 Republicans—enough for a filibuster—have signed a letter vowing to block his appointment unless changes are made to the bureau that the GOP feels, in its current construct, is inhibiting financial institutions and lending that could spur the economy. A majority of those surveyed said that the Senate should confirm Cordray, and 39 percent said that it should not confirm him, while 15 percent either didn’t know or refused to say.
Perhaps not surprisingly, 70 percent of Republican respondents said that Cordray should not be confirmed, while 75 percent of Democrats said that he should be. Independents broke 43 percent to 40 percent in favor of confirmation.
The United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll is conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, which surveyed 1,007 adults by landline and cell phone on Oct. 13-16. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.
Looking at Washington and the ability of lawmakers to do anything about an economy beset by high unemployment, more than half of adults said the main reason that unemployment has remained high is that “there have been good ideas, but fighting between Democrats and Republicans has blocked needed government action.” Only 16 percent said that the main reason was that “neither Democrats nor Republicans have come up with any good ideas to reduce unemployment so far.” A slightly higher percentage of respondents—21 percent—saw the problem as being more about government efficacy. They said the main reason for such high unemployment is that “there is not much Washington leaders can do to reduce unemployment through policy or legislation.”
Throughout the fall, the United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll has revealed an electorate that’s extremely critical of Congress and wary of embracing any particular policy prescription for getting the American economy growing more briskly. The millionaire’s surtax has cut through the clutter. Although it may not be surprising that 90 percent of Democrats support this Democratic proposal, it’s notable that 71 percent of independents do and even 37 percent of Republicans like this kind of a tax increase.
When it comes to those Wall Street protests, there’s also a populist streak: Remarkably, nearly one-third of Republicans—31 percent—completely or mostly agree with their aims. The sour economy has sparked some class resentments in unexpected places, it seems. Those stirrings are unlikely to come to fruition in this divided Congress, but there’s no indication they’re going away anytime soon.

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Gee, what a shock. People who don't make that kind of money are OK with taxing those that do.

And you really like Michael Moore? Why?

Yeah ... the only problem with that whole idea is that it's illegal.

It is mail fraud, and the Post Office doesn't mess around with that at all. Don't do it.

Not so sure it is mail fraud. They've provided you with the envelope. Better fact check that one Ytown.