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Don't get me wrong, I'd rather them be honest and say what they want. Nothing worse than saying, "I'll stay here until I win a championship for this town" and then bolt a few months later. "Someone" wanted to play both sides of the fence.
But yes, Howard is honest and he gets points for that. What sucks is that Orlando gets one less year of him being around to help the revenue flow or a shot at a deep playoff run. The new rules don't help the small market teams, it actually means the superstars leave even earlier. Shame.
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NBA is set up that way, but players are circumventing the system, and controlling the league.
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So what about the Cavs?? As insignificant the NBA has become, to me at least, I still wonder what's going on. Any word on our draft picks? Are we going to be as pitiful as last year or are we going to take the league by storm?? 
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It's wait and see. We need to see some flashes from Kyrie and Tristan. We need to tanke 2-3 years.
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We need for them to be good, grow, but not make enough of a difference 1st year fot the Cavaliers to get out of last place. lol
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Typical Cleveland sports, we need to tank for a few years. 
Screw that, I want to win even if we have to cheat.
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Cavs have 9 of 12 on the road to start the year, and remember, they are doing back-to-back-to-back sets to try and make up the time lost.
I think this team struggles early, but right around 2/3 the way through, you start to really see some improvement with the team. Byron Scott has a trend that his second year is always significantly better than year 1. This situation is a bit different, and also a bit unfair, so I think they probably end up in the top 5 of the lottery, but fans will genuinely be excited about the direction of the team.
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Doesn't work in the NBA that way Peen.
If you win enough to barely make it in the playoffs and get swept that is the worst thing possible. You have to tank in order to get a stud or be stuck in limbo.
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well, gotta give Stern one thing. if he is acting as Hornets owner, then he ended up getting a better deal for them. Bledsoe, Fariq and the Twolves 2012 1st (unprotected) + the Hornets 1st round pick being pretty much guaranteed to be top10 (because they didn't get middling veteran guys) is the way you rebuild a team. of course, that is not the reason Stern did it, but the end result was pretty good for the Hornets (and NBA fans as Paul to Griffin is going to be fun to watch) assuming the NBA allows this trade to go through of course Quote:
Chris Paul looked destined to be traded to Los Angeles for the third time in four days on Sunday night, when the Los Angeles Times reported a deal that would send the New Orleans point guard to the Clippers was in the final stages of completion.
The first two failed attempts would have sent Paul to the Lakers, but NBA commissioner and de facto Hornets owner David Stern vetoed the first proposal and the Lakers backed out of the second when they failed to reach the league's requests in a revised deal.
Two sources told SI.com early Sunday that the Clippers and Hornets had re-engaged in discussions, and a source close to Clippers second-year guard Eric Bledsoe said late Sunday night that he was under the impression a deal had been agreed upon and that he would likely be traded to the Hornets.
When reached by phone late Sunday and asked if an agreement in principle had been reached, Clippers president Andy Roeser declined comment to SI.com.
According to the L.A. Times, the Hornets would receive Bledsoe, center Chris Kaman, second-year forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the Clippers' unprotected, 2012 first-round draft pick that they received from Minnesota and that New Orleans general manager Dell Demps has coveted all along.
The deal must still be approved by Clippers owner Donald Sterling and the NBA, which owns the Hornets. The L.A Times claims the league will likely review the deal on Monday.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/wr...l#ixzz1gKbFKAtk
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ok, now they are just getting greedy. they got Gordon instead of Bledsoe, and now want Gordon and Bledsoe (in addition to Minny's 1st) Quote:
The league, which owns the Hornets, wants the Clippers to add Eric Bledsoe to a package that already includes guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick.
The deal would be done if the league hadn't asked for Bledsoe, according to one source close to the process.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story...nba-source-says
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The Hornets are going to get far more than we got for LBJ.
I'm not saying that Gilbert should have traded Lebron because that would have been ridiculous at the time, but I'm just saying it sucks.
Cavs resigned Parker too, by the way. Good move if you ask me. Those are the kind of guys you want Kyrie Irving to be around as he learns the everyday grind of the NBA.
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I'm not saying that Gilbert should have traded Lebron because that would have been ridiculous at the time, but I'm just saying it sucks.
Well of course ... The Cavs had no idea Lebron was going to bail. That's pretty much WHY everyone in Cleveland is bitter at Lebron. Not because he left, but because he gave them no chance at having a Plan B.
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I'm not saying that Gilbert should have traded Lebron because that would have been ridiculous at the time, but I'm just saying it sucks.
Well of course ... The Cavs had no idea Lebron was going to bail. That's pretty much WHY everyone in Cleveland is bitter at Lebron. Not because he left, but because he gave them no chance at having a Plan B.
honestly, it probably wouldn't have mattered. we at least thought we were among the 4-5 teams with a title shot. do you give up a shot at the title to rebuild a year early?
to me, no way. we had to give it a try and do what we could to win a title. no way our FO could have known LeBron would quit like that (after he had become better in the playoffs every year beforehand).
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I know Gilbert technically traded Lebron, but he really didn't.
Had he legitimately dealt him, he'd have been run out of town.
To Lebron's defense, I don't think demanding a trade would have been the right thing to do. That was a damn good team, 60+ wins coming off a 60+ win the season before.
Like I said, not mad that the Cavs didn't deal him, just sucks that it played out the way it did. I don't think we really had any choice.
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Jc... I think Chris Grant should convince Orlando to deal Dwight to us for our TPE. Then Dwight will discover that he loves playing with an up-and-coming PG in in Kyrie and re-ups with Cleveland for 6 years. ...
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I think Chris Grant should convince Orlando to deal Dwight to us for our TPE. Then Dwight will discover that he loves playing with an up-and-coming PG in in Kyrie and re-ups with Cleveland for 6 years.
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and now that the league squashed the Paul to Clippers trade too as Yahoo! Woj is reporting, we should then flip Antawn Jamison for Chris Paul.
i mean, they could have had bledsoe, kaman, fariq and iether the twolves 1st rounder or gordon. but, they'd rather have antwan, right?
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I don't understand any of this. The league is obviously not interested in trading Chris Paul. The other owners know the Hornets will generate more revenue with him on the team than without, even for one year. So they won't approve any deal....they can't.
Plus, why would any owner in the same division not involved in the trade vote yes? You're losing money AND you're approving a rival to get stronger?
Chris Paul will have to play this season out and become a free agent.
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The NBA is a joke.
The T-Wolves unprotected pick is a huge trade chip, especially when the draft is supposed to be exceptionally deep. Bledsoe is a young point guard with plenty of potential. Kaman is a real center and can be flipped to a contending team for more rebuilding parts. And Aminu is a pretty good young player as well.
Dumb dumb dumb.
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yep, the NBA strong-armed the Lakers and ended up getting the Hornets a better deal from the Clippers. only to then say, well, we want your other potential allstar too?
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just read that cavs got an extension to the 16th for the TE, but grant said they probably won't use it...if this is any indication how this clown works, please leave. You have 14 million TE you can use all or part to make the team better and draw fans in to the games and you won't use it?
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just read that cavs got an extension to the 16th for the TE, but grant said they probably won't use it...if this is any indication how this clown works, please leave. You have 14 million TE you can use all or part to make the team better and draw fans in to the games and you won't use it?
because it is the smart thing to do.
let's say we could have gotten Odom. well, what help does Odom do for us other than get us a few needless wins in the run-up to one of the expected best drafts in recent years?
we have some building blocks, we need to acquire more. if someone is willing to give us young assets for the TPE (Dallas may need to unload Rudy or Brewer if they still want to sign Vince Carter), then by all means go for it.
but, young assets are the key here. young guys who can grow together and get better together. very rarely do teams give those away for the TPE.
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Yep.
I would rather give the young guys experience, stink for this abbreviated season, and get a top 5 pick in a great draft than win a few meaningless games, add unnecessary payroll. and lose out on a potentially elite talent.
We also get the Heat's 2nd round pick that they acquired from New Orleans.
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its absolutely not the right thing to do imo, you never get it back, so basically we get screwed by lebron and get basically nothing out of the deal. there are alot of cheap owners that i bet would give up a younger player for cap relief, preferably a decent 2 or 5, that being said, if its not an option then yeah, just eat it, i don't want a old vet winding down yet. I def. don't want any part of odom, odom on any other team not LA is average to below average. I almost think we got that TE extension because we will end up involved in a trade that brings either howard or CP3 to the west coast.. 14 mill is a huge bargaining chip
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I wish they could somehow use it to get a big body.
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What's wrong with bringing in a guy like Rudy Fernandez or Corey Brewer if a team like Dallas is just trying to make cap room?
I understand trying to fnd out what we have, but going into the season with Parker/Eyenga as your 2 rotation with PGs sprinkled in to me is dumb...
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exactly, when AV and hollis are your 2 choices at center, you need a offensive minded center, neither of those guys are worth a lick, andy makes a better 4 anyways where he can move around and pester, putting him on the block is a waste of what he does best, he's never been a back to the basket player and neither is hollis..maybe we can sucker nets into the TE for lopez? 
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I understand trying to fnd out what we have, but going into the season with Parker/Eyenga as your 2 rotation with PGs sprinkled in to me is dumb...
exactly, we have easily the worst 2 guards in the east, and from offensive standpoint our big men ain't all that, plus jamison played on jesus' high school team, i d package him and the TE and get a legit big man or 2 guard..i got a feeling that davis will be amnesty, so that leaves your 2 guards as parker, eyenga, harris, and boobie...yeah that strikes fear
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Ryan Hollins played light years better when he was on the court with Baron. I'd love for Kyrie to develop some rapport with him the way Baron did when they worked out at UCLA together.
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When we slowly built up our team (aka our record got better year to year) It pulled me in and I was ready to celebrate a title... I assumed we'd get destroyed in 07 by the Spurs though...
(Side Note: If Flip Freaking Murry gets ONE REBOUND, we beat Detroit in 06 and IMO beat Miami in the ECF and Play Dallas... /rant)
Then we were destroying the Regular season, and Destroying Orlando in the first half of the first game, and I said "This is too easy"
That's when the Uh Oh set it... I'm a Cleveland fan, I'm used to the Uh Oh...
Last year against the Jets in OT, Stuckey has the ball, he's running down the field, he's about to go out of bounds, No he cuts back in!
I felt the Uh Oh then...
Orlando shot their minds out in 09 and we all know what happened...
Fast forward to last year, December 2nd was a fun day. Beating the Lakers after they DESTROYED us was a fun day. Opening night against Boston was a fun day. Beyond that. Last season sucked.
What I'm trying to get at, Is this...
Had we won in 07, if would of been cool, had we won in 09 or 10 it would have been fricken awesome...
So winning now, after all that's happened... Will be totally fricken awesome... right?
I dunno about that... Part of me (aka the Uber Spiteful side) Would rather Lebron not win, Then us Win (If that makes sense)
I just don't think a Cavaliers title, while it NEVER would have compared to a Browns or even Indians one, will be AS celebrated, had it happened when Lebron was here...
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I blame it on Mo Williams making hitting that 3/4 court bomb right before halftime in game one against Orlando. That put the Cavs up 63-48, and you know the rest. It was almost like God was taking a dump, saw that Cleveland was having way too much fun, and gave Orlando the Tebow treatment.
To this day, I still say that was the beginning of the end for Lebron in Cleveland, maybe he did plan it in 2008, but if you're Lebron, how could you at that very moment, not think that Cleveland was destination A?
Also, purely on matchups, I think the Cavs actually matched up quite well with LA that year in a playoff setting, even though they were swept in the regular season, certainly more than they were with Orlando.
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he ended up getting gordon, minny's '12 1st rounder, kaman, and fariq from LAC. i'd say he played it pretty well for NO (and much better than that initial trade for them from LAL) http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story...hris-paul-trade
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Baron Davis waived by Cavaliers By TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writer 1 hour, 12 minutes ago tweet3 Email Print CLEVELAND (AP)—When the Cavaliers selected point guard Kyrie Irving with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, veteran Baron Davis’ future in Cleveland became uncertain. On Wednesday, his short stay ended. Using the NBA’s new amnesty clause, the Cavs waived Davis, a move that knocks the $28 million he is owed over the next two seasons off the salary cap. The Cavs will have to pay Davis, but they’ll have more flexibility going forward as they try to improve a team that won just 19 games last season. Davis was acquired last season in a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers. Although Cleveland was probably not the destination Davis had in mind, he played hard, seemed to embrace a leadership role and put any past problems between he and Cavs coach Byron Scott behind. The pair had a falling out when Davis played for Scott in New Orleans. “We would like to thank Baron for his contributions to the team during his time in Cleveland,” said general manager Chris Grant. “He has been an absolute professional since the day he joined the Cavs and we now wish him the best in the future.” Davis’ release had been expected since the opening of training camp past week. Scott gave a strong clue that Davis’ time was running out when the coach said he—and not Davis—was the perfect mentor for Irving. “I’m going to miss cleveland fans and the organization!” Davis wrote on his Twitter page. “When I was down and out you believed in me and embraced me! I will always be a cav!” With Davis gone, Scott can immediately turn his offense over to Irving, the former Duke standout who wound up with Cleveland after Grant acquired Davis and an unprotected lottery pick from the Clippers for guard Mo Williams and forward Jamario Moon. That pick ended up being the one that got the Cavs the first selection. Davis averaged 13.9 points and 6.1 assists in 15 games with the Cavs last season. He missed time because of injuries and a family death, but when he was in the lineup Cleveland went 6-9. The 32-year-old had not practiced since arriving at camp because of a bulging back disc. Davis left the team last weekend to get a second opinion on his back. He’s now a free agent and could draw interest from other teams if he’s healthy web page
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Am I missing something, am I over valuing Eric Bledsoe? I think the Clippers were better off not making this trade. I know CP3 is amazing, top 5 player and all but I liked the team they had, plus with a top 8 probably pick in next yrs draft, I think they would have been better off staying put. I think they gave up a lot (Eric Gordon is probably a top 25 player, a productive big [Kaman] which are worth their weight in gold in the NBA, granted he has injury issues but what big not named Howard doesn't?, Aminu [top 10 pick in last yrs draft]) for CP3 who has issues staying healthy. By most accounts all or most of his meniscus is gone in the one knee. I would have serious concern over him staying healthy as well. Before the trade I'd say the clippers were a top 4/5 team in the west. I think they got better at the 1 (which is arguably their deepest position) and worse at the 2 and 5 spot while screwing getting rid of their best building block in the process. It will sell tickets however which seems to be all that matters in LA as they have a top 5 worse fan base in all of sports.
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I think you're right on a lot of stuff, but if you're the Clippers, what do you have to lose?
Also, they could be in the lotto if CP3 goes down. Blake ain't gonna carry that thing by himself. He couldn't even do it with the team he had last year, of which half of them are now in New Orleans.
So they have that going for them, which is nice.
I told my cousin this last night, if nothing else, the Clippers will be AMAZING in NBA Jam.
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