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Really, I thought the OWS protesters were going to accomplish something but they are slowly becoming irrelevant. They have been all but hog-tied by local governments, they have been ignored by Big Media and the might of the Tea Party's propaganda mill is the OWS movement undoing.

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The media covered the OWS protests almost th the exclusion of all else for weeks. Most local governments (especially NYC) went out of their ways to allow these protests to continue far beyond any reasonable limits, or limits imposed on other protests/organizations. They ignored the fact that they didn't have permits, they ignored the fact that they didn't meet security requirements, they ignored the damage they did to other peoples' property. They downplayed the bad side of the OWS protesters, and played them up as some valiant group, standing up for the little guy.

I am also curious as to what you thought that the OWS protests were going to accomplish? They never have had a coherent message, and they have gone out of their way to alienate people. What do you see as their message? What did you think they would accomplish?

I thought they might accomplish putting the spotlight of change where the blame belongs: Big Business, Banks, Wall Street and the bought and paid for Government.

But don't worry, after all the alleged rapes and poo I'm forced to agree with you. They will not accomplish anything. The country will continue to go to hell in a hand basket and the Tea Party will make major contributions to help assure this occurs.

"hogtied by local governments" and "ignored by big media". ??? I don't think even Charlie or Mac are this nuts.

Do you have a keeper? Is there some relative we could contact to increase the medication? Do you drive a car or operate heavy machinery?

You have a very serious disassociation from reality and may very well pose a danger to yourself and/or those around you.

I am not being sarcastic; you are seriously delusional.

You are one of very few people who would hold that opinion.

Keeping more of what you earn is not a gift, except in the minds of very few people.

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That's like Jerry Sandusky's attorney saying, "I'm not going to get into a lengthy debate on pedophelia, let's discuss the positive aspects of his coaching career". The fact of the matter is that crime is rampant in every place the occupiers convene.....it's not isolated, it's not a select few, and it is significant. It in no way akin to the tea party gatherings, despite the attempted comparisons....which I believe you initiated.

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I did initiate it, and I backed off of it a bit. This is what I said: "...you got me. More OWS protestors have been arrested. So what? It does not have any bearing on the discussion of ideas and messages." If you read my posts, that is my consistent message. The gatherings are different. I have conceded that point. It does not invalidate any discussion of the differences and similarities b/w the messages though.

That is my point, and your Jerry Sandusky analogy is not even close. Comparing various actions of one individual is not nearly the same as comparing various actions of separate individuals, and seeking to paint all individuals as lazy freeloaders based on the actions of those separate individuals is not logical. Also, define rampant. Are we saying that even 50% of protestors are being arrested? I don't know the exact stats, so I am willing to be proven wrong. I highly doubt though that all or even a majority of protestors are getting arrested. The arrests are all we hear about b/c that is how our media works.

I'll play along with the ridiculous Jerry Sandusky analogy for a moment to make my point. He had many good ideas about how to coach LBs. Because he is likely a criminal and monster, does that mean that all those football ideas should never be used or are discredited for future coaches to use or even talk about?

Here's a fine city government looking out for the best interest of it's citizens. Nothing but a wasted effort in an attempt to wash egg off of their faces.

Biggovernment.com

Richmond City Audits Local Tea Party After Standoff with Mayorby Colleen Owens

Two weeks after the Richmond Tea Party delivered an invoice to Richmond Mayor Dwight Jones for costs incurred for previous rallies, we received a letter from the City of Richmond formally stating that the city is auditing our Tea Party. Coincidence? This audit is an obvious attempt to intimidate and harass us for standing up against the unfair treatment and discrimination against our Tea Party.

First some back story: as reported on the front page of the Richmond Times Dispatch, the Richmond Tea Party delivered an invoice for charges incurred in our previous three Tax Day rallies at Kanawha Plaza because Mayor Jones chose to allow Occupy Richmond protesters to convene in the same park for two weeks.

The Mayor not only allowed the Occupiers to break the law, but he visited them in the city-owned park. “Jones said that as a ‘child of civil rights’ and protests, he had allowed the group to remain in the park but understands his mayoral responsibility to uphold laws of the city,” reported the Richmond Times Dispatch.

Apparently his mayoral duties included preferential treatment for a group he sympathizes with ideologically at the expense of the taxpayers.

The blog Virginia Right reported that the city provided services such as portable toilets, trash pickup, etc. The incomplete invoices obtained from the city totaled $7,000. This was only a portion of the actual costs to taxpayers because the costs of police, helicopter and incarcerations were not included. Also not accounted for was the 24-hour police protection of the Mayor’s home after the Occupiers moved their camp next door to the Mayor’s house. The Richmond Tea Party, conversely, paid for all services for our rallies, including the police, portable toilets, park fees and permits, amounting to approximately $8,500.

Our actions apparently struck a nerve. Our invoice to the Mayor was covered by hundreds of news outlets, including the AP, Richmond Times Dispatch, Baltimore Sun, and the Washington Post. On October 31, I appeared on Fox Business, Neil Cavuto’s show, and was interviewed about our actions. Reportedly, at least two Richmond City Council members agreed with our plight. “I guess we’ll be writing a check to the Tea Party people,” said Councilman Bruce W. Tyler, as quoted in the Richmond Times Dispatch. “You can’t treat one group different from the other. It’s unfair.”
On November 14th, representatives of our Tea Party attended the City Council meeting to speak to the Mayor and Council during the citizen forum. Mayor Jones, apparently too busy to listen to his constituents, got up and left before we spoke. He had no problem inviting members of the Occupy group to his office for a closed door meeting days later, at the same time refusing to meet with us.

His administration, however, found the time to send us an audit letter (provided in full below). No need for the city to audit the Occupiers, because, as the Mayor knows, all of their costs were provided by the taxpayers of Richmond(via Gateway Pundit).

In the audit letter signed by Cynthia Carr, Field Auditor for the City of Richmond, it states that our Tea Party is delinquent in filing of Admissions, Lodging, and Meals Taxes with the city and as such our group has been targeted for a comprehensive audit. Well, aren’t we special? In fact, as part of the Business License we have with the City, a form is filled out by our treasurer every month (as required). We have never charged admission or had lodging or meals associated with our rallies. Every month the forms are appropriately filled with zeros. Ms. Carr goes on to say that if we don’t respond within 15 days, the City will make a statutory assessment–meaning they’ll pick an amount to charge us.

So the City and Mayor apparently feel that the Richmond Tea Party has not paid its fair share for use of Kanawha Plaza. We challenged the Mayor’s unequal treatment between groups and he responded with even more unequal treatment.

This story has also fired up other Tea Party groups across the country that have had the laws and fees applied unequally in regards to Tea Party rallies and Occupy protest camps. The message coming from mayors in numerous cities is that they are willing to spend millions in taxpayer money to accommodate the Occupiers that are breaking the law but have no problem charging Tea Party groups that follow the law exorbitant fees and making them jump through hoops to acquire permits (via Yahoo News).

The Richmond Tea Party stands for constitutional adherence, and clearly this has been unequal treatment under the law. We stand for fiscal restraint, and this is a case where a mayor used taxpayer money for his personal agenda. We stand for virtue and accountability in government and that is why we have taken a stand. We will be submitting a Virginia Freedom of Information Act request for all city correspondence pertaining to our Tea Party and its decision to audit us. We will not be intimidated and we will not back down. A Richmond attorney and fellow Tea Partier is currently reviewing our situation. Also, the ACLU has also contacted us inquiring about this matter.