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Browns sign Clayton, waive Robiskie

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The Browns made a pair of roster moves, the team announced Tuesday afternoon.

The Cleveland Browns today signed running back Thomas Clayton, the team announced. In addition, the club waived wide receiver Brian Robiskie.

Originally drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the sixth round (186th overall) of the 2007 NFL Draft, Clayton spent the entire 2007 season and the first 14 weeks of the 2008 season on the 49ers’ practice squad before being elevated to the 53-man roster for the final two games. He spent the entire 2009 season on the 49ers’ injured reserve list. In 2010, Thomas spent four weeks on the Browns’ active roster and two weeks on the club’s practice squad. He appeared in two games with Cleveland. He also spent nine weeks of the 2010 season on the Patriots’ active roster, appearing in one game where he totaled 17 rushing yards on six attempts. He spent training camp with the Seahawks in 2011 before being waived on September 3.

A three-year letterman at Kansas State University (2004-06), Clayton saw action in 28 games, recording 1,075 rushing yards with seven touchdowns on 232 carries. Born on April 26, 1984, the 5-11, 220-pound Clayton is a native of Alexandria, Va., where he attended Mt. Vernon High School.

Clayton will wear No. 33.


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Not a surprise, really.

I bet he goes to another team and becomes a solid contributor. It just wasn't going to happen here, with this QB.


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I'll admit that I held out hope for him this year (with the way he closed last year out, why not). But, the fact that it took until the Titans game for him to get a catch it pretty much showed that either the QB and/or coaching staff had completely lost faith in him or he was not doing his job to get open. Really, whatever the reason between those 3 does not speak good for Robiskie.

Best of luck to him as long as he doesn't end up at a division rival.


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Bye bye Robo. Let's see if he'll catch on elsewhere. Good luck to him.


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I don't think McCoy can be held responsible for Robiskie's noteless tenure here.

Was he a part of the problem? Absolutely.

But poor offensive schemes played a part, and Robiskie must've done some things to dig his own grave. He languished unused by two different coaches.

Either they were both terrible coaches who missed seeing his potential, or Robiskie wasn't getting it done in practice.

Time will tell, though I feel he could be a useful 3/4 WR in a proficient offense.

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I bet he goes to another team and becomes a solid contributor. It just wasn't going to happen here, with this QB.




I'm interested as to why you feel this way - other than piling onto McCoy. Count me in the group that believes our WRs are getting open and QB is holding us back. But even with that, I don't know how anyone could continue to basically have zero production like Robiskie has. It's almost mind boggling. And if the staff thought it was McCoy, not Robo, he wouldn't have just been waived. Actions speak louder than words.

I hate to break it to folks, but Little isn't all that good. At a minimum, he lacks the speed to ever be anything than a #2, and I don't see much of a skill set there at all. I don't see why people are all that excited about him. It's cool that he can break tackles sometimes, but he's just ok, IMO. MoMass is soft and a pouter. And my point is that these two guys are light years better than Robo.

I don't think Robo will do much anywhere.


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yeah Slobiskie can go back to Chagrin Falls and be their new freshman football coach.
Just another blown draft pick by Eric Mangini. Robotski gets the David Veikune underachiever award.
If he can't make the Browns as WR,then what team can he make?
You guys wanna know why the Browns are in state they are in?
When you aren't cashing in on 2nd RD picks from recent history.
You know why the Steelers are the Steelers..cause they are reaping benefits from picks like Mike Wallace and Lamar Woodley.

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The second round of the 2009 draft set us back 3-5 years.

Hell, the draft as a whole, really.

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Not likely at all.

You don't get waived mid-season unless you are THE bottom of the roster.




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Heh, not even close. I know you're joking, but it is a step in the right direction cutting ties with a failed pick.


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No surprise. He wasn't even getting on the field when Massaquoi didn't play and he didn't contribute on special teams. His roster spot was being wasted.

Just for fun (and torture) he are some players drafted after Robiske in round two:

Rey Maualuga
Connor Barwin
LeSean McCoy ()
Phil Loadholt (who is overrated, but still an average player)
William Moore (starting safety for Falcons)

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prolly end up in Atl with his dad...and will do good as he wont be expected to do much with their WR's and TE already on the roster.


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The second round of the 2009 draft set us back 3-5 years.




Three second round picks and we hit on .5 of 3.

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That's all I'll say.



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Don't forget Mike Wallace was available at that time...imagine if Mangini took Loadholt and Wallace instead of Slobiskie and Massaqiou....
this offense would look totally different.

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No big surprise here with Norwood stepping up and Mitchell being activated Sunday, yes I know we didn't see action but he was activated. I hope he catches on somewhere but he was never going to make it here

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Don't forget Mike Wallace was available at that time




While it is obvious now that you would take Wallace I'm not sure he was viewed as a 2nd round pick, while the guys I previously mentioned would have been great 2nd round picks at the time.

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Wallace was a projected 2nd or 3rd RD pick that year...just a pure burner out of Ole Miss. He blowing past elite SEC CB's that year.
here are some other guys Mangenius totally missed...

Rey Maualuga
Lesean McCoy
Micheal Johnson
Jared Cook
Andy Levitre.

Mangenius had 3 2nd RD picks and the Browns have had zero return investment.
Levitre made the All Rookie team I believe that year. He's a big reason why the Bills can run the ball so well.

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I feel that way mainly because Robiske was playing on the left, and it has been well documented that McCoy rarely throws left ... and especially not the middle to deep routes left.

Greg Little has played the X receiver for 2 or 3 weeks now. How many passes has he caught from there, and how many from the slot?

The team has gone out of its way to force feed Little passes. He was thrown to something like 11 times in the last game and had 4 catches. I cannot recall Robiske being targeted 11 times all season long. I don't know why ..... but Robiske did start to turn it on last year, and then got shut out this year. I don't know why. Maybe he preferred the former scheme, staff, or who knows what else? He never really says anything to the press.

When I look at how the offense has been constructed to this point, Little is being targeted on very minor pass routes. He has had 2 "big" games the past 2 weeks, and has 9 catches for a whopping 59 yards. That is really unimpressive.

It would not surprise me to see a team like Miami or St Louis claim Robiske off waivers. The Jets might even be interested in him as a 3rd receiver. Perhaps even Jacksonville might be interested.

Carolina might even be interested in adding someone like Robiske to play either opposite Smith, or in the slot.

If forced to bet on his future, I would bet that he will go on and succeed elsewhere, as opposed to not doing so.


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I feel that way mainly because Robiske was playing on the left, and it has been well documented that McCoy rarely throws left ... and especially not the middle to deep routes left.





FALSE.
That was shown to be the case in a SINGLE game.... and when the poster that figured that out looked at other games, he proved his own theory incorrect.


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Maualuga was the guy i wanted. Hell really wanted both luga and James Larinitis. Talk about a beast tandem in the middle of our 3-4. O well they weren't old enough nor slow enough to play in the mangenius system.

Anyway Robo was a finished product when we drafted him. Hate to see another draft pick walking out the door but the dude just never gave effort.

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When I look at how the offense has been constructed to this point, Little is being targeted on very minor pass routes. He has had 2 "big" games the past 2 weeks, and has 9 catches for a whopping 59 yards. That is really unimpressive.







Little has been getting alot of short stuff because he is a big guy who can break tackles.

Little hasn't been a game changer yet but you have to remember he only played one year at wr in college and there was a lockout so being a rookie and unsigned he virtually did not get any time to learn the playbook or get in reps with his teammates.

Little is going to be a very good receiver on this team and I have no doubt about that. He just needs an off-season.

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wowwww.. might as well drop him though. he wasn't doing anything.

I know for sure we are drafting a WR early this year now. Ryan Broyles?


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Maualuga was considered "just" a 2 down LB (don't know if he is now)..I wanted Barwin, who is the starting SOLB in HOU now after a promising rookie season off the bench and a career threatening IR injury in 2010...HOU is top 10 in every D category after a system change btw...he has 2 sacks and 5 pass defelctions (impressive for a LB, indicating shutting down TEs and/or getting near the QB)...can't wait to see a full game of him next sunday....great guy to pull (if you know his story) for AND has talent

Looking at that 2nd round Robo and Veikune are easily top 3 in the bust column...incredibad


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Isn't Barwin the LB who was a DE at Cincinatti and switched from TE?

If it's the same guy i'm thinking of, physically he was a beast.

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That's him...he's also partially deaf (not completely as I understand it, but still a handicap)

Here's part of the story...his deafness was part of the reason he moved to defense:

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Barwin-tackles-NFL-after-conquering-1746002.php

http://www.mytimesdispatch.com/index.php...or_barwin/6418/


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No, that was running left. We do run to all sides. Passing, we are still a predominantly right team.

Take the last game, for example.

We went left passing 7 times, completing 3. 3 were deep passes and 4 were short passes. The deep pass was the TD to Cribbs.

We went middle passing 7 times, completing 4. All were short passes.

We went right 18 times, completing 12. 16 were short passes, and 2 were deep. The deep passs to the right was to Watson.

We are predominantly a right passing team. It took Cribbs begging, pleading, and maybe even threatening McCoy for him to throw a pass to him on the left side further than 5 yards downfield.

Just looking at the Seattle game, if I counted right, it went 5 right, 4 middle, and 25 right.I am missing one pass in there somewhere, but I'm not going back to double check because the numbers are overwhelming anyway.

McCoy did go left a ton in the Oakland game. Little got his 1st start, and they threw that way a lot, with him catching 6 passes for 72 yards. (12 yards/per) That wasn't a lasting change.


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Thats a really good story, I know I probably read something about his hearing loss but I completely forgot about that guy in general.

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Maualuga has played 5 games this year, has 38 tackles, no sacks, no fumbles recovered, no pressures .... He has forced 1 fumble.

In 7 games, DQ has 65 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 2 fumbles recovered, and a forced fumble ......

I don't see the Maualuga appeal. He has always looked slow and very average in the Bengals defense to me. His high water mark was 75 tackles last year. He has 2 career sacks, and 2 career INT. He's not a game changer.


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No surprise on Robo....he wasn't doing anything and we needed to pick up a running back considering the injuries.



If Big O went down last game we would have been running empty set backfields unless we stuck Owen back there every play.


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wow! It was that bad, YTown? Little hasn't produced much. And I was dumb enough to somewhat excited about yards after catch jawing. I have yet to see much of it. Sorry to see Robo go, but it had to be with good reasons. I had a lot of hope for him. Wish him well, but not against us.


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I hope that Little will develop into one of those guys who has enough speed to make plays in space, size to work strongly against most CBs, and enough power to gain strong YAC against almost anyone covering him.

Little is not going to outrun many people. He's not flat out fast. He's big and strong ..... and slower than most elite WRs. That doesn't mean that he can't be effective .... but thus far he has caught 3 types of passes ... short, shorter, and shortest.

Heck, he's caught 29 passes, but for only 262 yards ... which works out to 9 yards/catch. Most TE average more than that ..... and some RB are probably close. Stewart in Carolina averages 9.6 yards/catch at RB. Rice in Baltimore is over 11 yards/catch .. just as examples.

I would expect more out of my wide receivers....... but that's just me.


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Very sad that the Robo experiment didn't work out. But, that's the way the ball bounces I guess...

Good luck Robo...


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Maualuga is the Bengals run stuffer up the middle. You don't have a Top 5 defense without some studs at LB....
I seen the Bills Bengals game at a layover at a airport and Maualuga was all over Fred Jackson.....
He was a good value in the 2nd RD.

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Surprised, but then again, not so much.

If we weren't going to use or develop the guy to be used, cut him free and let him land somewhere else where he might be used.

Seems like the right move. I mean it's not like we have a passing game anyway.


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I don't see the Maualuga appeal.




Flashy, USC big-hype player. That's about it. And like every other highly-touted USC player in recent years, other than Clay Matthews, he's been mediocre at best.

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I don't see the Maualuga appeal.




Flashy, USC big-hype player. That's about it. And like every other highly-touted USC player in recent years, other than Clay Matthews, he's been mediocre at best.




Ah, but a mediocre 2nd rounder is always better than a released 2nd rounder, wouldn't you say?


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If he does go somewhere and puts up solid numbers it is definately not going to say much about our coaches or our quarterback.

I did however pick him up in one of my deep leagues in FF to stash him on the bench for a few weeks to see who signs him and see if he produces within the first few weeks.

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whats Veikune doing now?

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