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Great read....and lets us know what to expect until something or someone changes.
I really haven't been this down on a Browns team ever.
It's depressing. I have season tickets I don't want to use and don't really feel like heading to the local bar to watch every Sunday.
I do but am starting to leave early. Now it's the mid 4th qtr....the way we are going I'll be heading out at the half by seasons end.
Maybe I shouldn't take it as seriously as I do...that might be the message God is sending me.
Yeah I've been this way since 09.
Got called a fair weather fan by the guy sitting behind me for leaving the Tennessee game with 2 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. Didn't care.
I repeatedly question myself on why I continue buying the tickets and going up there when I never have any fun.I guess I still have a bit of blind faith that one day they will find a way to turn it around. Although it's waning, majorly.
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What's the big deal?
For the past 12 years when an offensive play begins,I say "this is going to be ugly."
92.7% of the time I have been correct.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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They even said "air horn and shotgun allowed".
The way the Brown's offense has been playing, you could bring them to church. 
Eh, haven't done it yet - but most at church wouldn't be surprised, the pastor and associate pastor especially. (there's 2 stories there - remind me sometime and I'll tell you.) Ah, what the heck, I'll tell you now.
Last year - Browns Ravens sunday. Sermon seemed to go a little long in my humble opinion. I got to thinking about the game - and when the pastor asked if anyone knew what was going on at 1:00 (he was referring to a church function) I kinda yelled "The Browns are playing the ravens". It started loud...........and got quieter by the time I said 'ravens'.
300 people. All turned to look at me.
A few weeks ago - don't remember the game - but, preacher is my next door neighbor. Browns scored - airhorning, yelling, and shooting, and I looked over - there he stands, with the associate pastor, and a missionary family from Africa.
I waved. They gave me the thumbs up!
(ever have your daughter go up front for a childrens lesson - and have the speaker wave a $20 bill around and ask who wants it, and what they'd do with it? One kid said "I'd buy candy". Know what my daughter said? "I would give it to my dad to help pay for the electric bill"...........talk about embarrassed.)
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If everything Mike Lombardi said was true we would have spent 5 first round picks and 3 2nds as we acquired Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb and Brandon Marshall. Oo and TO would have signed with the Browns as well.
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Know what my daughter said? "I would give it to my dad to help pay for the electric bill"...........talk about embarrassed
You should be more proud than embarassed. Kid's obviously way ahead of her peers.....
about the other stories: true fandom at its finest!
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With all of the negativity I wanted to point out that we still have Heckert who I think has done a fantastic job drafting thus far. His goal was to first fix the defense and now we have a young D that will continue to get better. Now he will use the next two years acquiring playmakers on offense. Things will get better. Playoffs in 2013!!!
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From your lips to Gods ears Chinch. I'd like to start winning playoff spots on a regular basis.
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I haven't seen a bigger bunch of crap for an article in a long time.
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something just doesn't sit right here.
That would be Homgren & Shurmur. One is in over his head, the other doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Take your pick as to which is which.
That's a negative about both guys Cal,,, you may be right about Shurmur being one of those, but Holmgren? he's neither.
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Setting aside my litany of reasons, I'll merely point to the fact that he did hire Shurmur. 
Rookie head coach, 8 games in and you are absolutly sure it was a mistake?
I'm as sure as I can be, more sure than I was before the hire, less sure than I would be if I could see into the future. Forget absolutely sure for a minute, are you even a little sure it wasn't a mistake?
I just wanted to see another set of boxes, like the effect. And Oh Yeah Schurmurs' gonna be a great Browns coach if he is given a chance, meaning enough time... How much is enough? About as much as Crennel had. Maybe. EH! ? ?? 
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That would be Homgren & Shurmur. One is in over his head, the other doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Take your pick as to which is which.
That's a negative about both guys Cal,,, you may be right about Shurmur being one of those, but Holmgren? he's neither.
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Setting aside my litany of reasons, I'll merely point to the fact that he did hire Shurmur.
Rookie head coach, 8 games in and you are absolutly sure it was a mistake?
I'm as sure as I can be, more sure than I was before the hire, less sure than I would be if I could see into the future. Forget absolutely sure for a minute, are you even a little sure it wasn't a mistake?
I just wanted to see another set of boxes, like the effect. And Oh Yeah Schurmurs' gonna be a great Browns coach if he is given a chance, meaning enough time... How much is enough? About as much as Crennel had. Maybe. EH! ? ??
IMHO is Shurmer in over his head? Yes. He may, given enough time become a good HC. The jury is still out on him and next year when we bring in an OC I feel we will have our answers.
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That would be Homgren & Shurmur. One is in over his head, the other doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Take your pick as to which is which.
That's a negative about both guys Cal,,, you may be right about Shurmur being one of those, but Holmgren? he's neither.
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Setting aside my litany of reasons, I'll merely point to the fact that he did hire Shurmur.
Rookie head coach, 8 games in and you are absolutly sure it was a mistake?
I'm as sure as I can be, more sure than I was before the hire, less sure than I would be if I could see into the future. Forget absolutely sure for a minute, are you even a little sure it wasn't a mistake?
I just wanted to see another set of boxes, like the effect. And Oh Yeah Schurmurs' gonna be a great Browns coach if he is given a chance, meaning enough time... How much is enough? About as much as Crennel had. Maybe. EH! ? ??
IMHO is Shurmer in over his head? Yes. He may, given enough time become a good HC. The jury is still out on him and next year when we bring in an OC I feel we will have our answers.
According to el presidente, Shurmur will still be calling the plays, brining in an OC will merely free him up to concentrate on being a HC. At least that is the current rhetoric. That statement in and of itself is a clear admission that the job isn't being done correctly. So it's apparently obvious to el presidente himself that there is something terribly awry here. My concern, however is, does the remainder of this season and the coming off season give Shurmur enough time to figure out that he actually needs to game plan the opposing teams in order to haven even a remote shot at winning, or will he continue to rely on his brilliant play calling and command of the sideline to carry the day?
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Sooner or later one of you needs to break up that string of quotes.
Please
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Actually, I'm thinking of printing it out and hanging it on my wall,, kind of a neat look to it.
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Please
How about we start a new one?
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Oh, wow, man.... this microdot is far out......
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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Maybe I shouldn't take it as seriously as I do...that might be the message God is sending me.
And if you lived closer, I'd kick you in the ass.
Did you expect 10 and 6 this year?
No, but I expected 10-6 more than once over the last 12 years.. I expected more than 1 playoff game over the last 12 years.. I expected to be over .500 more than twice in 12 years.. I did not expect 8 of 12 years to be 5 wins or less... I did not expect to be thinking about our high draft picks in mid-October after 12 years... I expected to look like an NFL team after 12 years...
Our offensive rankings over the last 12 years + this year... 31, 31, 25, 19, 29, 27, 32, 30, 8, 30, 29, 31, 28 ......
So arch, through how many more regimes are you going to stick to the "we are on the right path" mantra? In short, how many more seasons are you willing to start with the "I expect to suck this year" attitude and still be happy about it?
I get the impression that your financial investment in this team is a jersey, some beer and a few shotgun shells.. if that's the case then that's fine but it is more than understandable to me why people who have consistently shelled out THOUSANDS of dollars a year to maintain tickets and go see this crap are about fed up with it.
If you went to a play or a concert and it sucked bad would you spend a bunch of money to keep going back?
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Maybe I shouldn't take it as seriously as I do...that might be the message God is sending me.
And if you lived closer, I'd kick you in the ass.
Did you expect 10 and 6 this year?
No, but I expected 10-6 more than once over the last 12 years.. I expected more than 1 playoff game over the last 12 years.. I expected to be over .500 more than twice in 12 years.. I did not expect 8 of 12 years to be 5 wins or less... I did not expect to be thinking about our high draft picks in mid-October after 12 years... I expected to look like an NFL team after 12 years...
Our offensive rankings over the last 12 years + this year... 31, 31, 25, 19, 29, 27, 32, 30, 8, 30, 29, 31, 28 ......
So arch, through how many more regimes are you going to stick to the "we are on the right path" mantra? In short, how many more seasons are you willing to start with the "I expect to suck this year" attitude and still be happy about it?
I get the impression that your financial investment in this team is a jersey, some beer and a few shotgun shells.. if that's the case then that's fine but it is more than understandable to me why people who have consistently shelled out THOUSANDS of dollars a year to maintain tickets and go see this crap are about fed up with it.
If you went to a play or a concert and it sucked bad would you spend a bunch of money to keep going back?
First of all - my comment to peen about kicking his petut was a joke. I hope he got it.
Next comment - about "...expecting 10-6" - is just a cold hard reality. No one expected that.
As for how long it will be, or was, fine to be a bad team - I hate it as much as the next guy. However, I don't believe poor teams become consistently good teams in a year - or even 2. (now, decent teams can make that step - but bad teams just don't, usually.)
With that said - I think what we need is continuity. We can't be tearing things down every 2 or 3 years - changing front office, changing coaches (which means changing systems offensively and defensively). It gives the team no where near enough time to get the players needed for the new coach's system.
The constant changes are hurting as much as anything, in my opinion.
As to my financial investment in the Browns. Not sure what you mean. I have 5 jerseys, for whatever that's worth. My wife has 3, my daughter has 2.
As for t-shirts - too many to count. Long sleeve t's - 4. 3 sweatshirts, 1 coat. 4 hats. 2 pairs of gloves. Much, much more in the way of "souviners" - the "Miller Lite - Cleveland Browns mirror, posters, 4 three X five flags, etc, etc etc.
I have my seat from the old stadium. Wife is very artistic and has made several "posters" for lack of a better word.
What does any of that have to do with my fandom?
I went to 2 games last year. Stayed the night in Cleveland each time - tickets - about $200 total for last year. Hotel - last year total of just about $330. Toll fees - $40. Beer at the stadium (tooo much to list), parking - $40 or $50.
I've been to 2 games this year. Rode with friends to the opener, then wife and I went to the seahawks game. Stayed at a hotel the night before, as well.
Financial investment? How does that relate to fandom? And if you think it does - I would have to guess I spend more, much more, than most fans do. Again, I'm not saying that means jack - but you asked.
What other investment - other than emotional - can I do?
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And if you lived closer, I'd kick you in the ass.
Did you expect 10 and 6 this year?
We're seeing what we expected. I'm as bad as anyone, as I always want more/better........but it is what it is. Giving up is.............just that: giving up.
Went out deer hunting tonight. Just like I had monday, tues., wed, and thursday.
Haven't seen a deer since the first week of the season when a doe and her fawn walked right by me. I didn't shoot then thinking "it's too early in the deer season to break up a family".
Know what? I'll keep going out.
I'll also keep rooting for the Browns, and watching every game. We're headed off to some friends this Sunday to watch the game. They even said "air horn and shotgun allowed". 
Peen and DC - my bad. The "tongue" dude was at the end of this post - not behind my comment directed at peen. My bad.
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So arch, through how many more regimes are you going to stick to the "we are on the right path" mantra? In short, how many more seasons are you willing to start with the "I expect to suck this year" attitude and still be happy about it?
A few other comments: no where did I say I was happy about it, and okay with it. See my other post for what I think would help the team.
And, I only listed the last 2 years of games. Since the team has been back, I honestly don't think there's been a year when I didn't (we) attend at least 1 game. Even in 2001, when I got fired about 2 weeks before the guy I split 4 season tickets with called and said he needed the money for half the tickets.
I didn't want to part with the $800 or so (2 season tickets). Still made a game that year though.
But again - what does that have to do with my fandom. How does my thinking the team needs continuity before it can consistently achieve a high level of play mean, or translate into: Arch thinks it's okay to be bad?
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***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
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I haven't seen a bigger bunch of crap for an article in a long time.
I'm going with this. Lombardi is an absolute moron and has less than zero credibility. Then there's the fact that this story has no plausibility whatsoever.
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I'm going with this. Lombardi is an absolute moron and has less than zero credibility. Then there's the fact that this story has no plausibility whatsoever.
Dude, let's take this a step further so that it just doesn't look like we're opining without merit, stemming from false perception of sour grapes.
What is Lombardi saying here? Simply put, he's stating that the league can now defend the WCO because it's a simplistic offense.
I'd also note that NO team runs the "pure" WCO that existed. Not one, single, team. The very last team which ran the most base fundamentals were the Seahawks teams in the early 2000's.
There's a possibility that we tried running it earlier in the year, because if anyone has the games still recorded, they can go back and see heavier shifting and motion. Anyone can go back and read my posts where I stated McCoy is lost and confused by the offense, and therefore the only way to get back on track was to simplify the offense.
Ask yourselves this question people: Are you seeing McCoy get the ball out on 3, 5, or 7 step drops? No, you aren't. That's the most simplistic staple of the WCO passing attack.
Are we seeing traps, counters, and quick-hitters out of the running game? No, we aren't. That's a staple of the running game in the WCO.
We aren't running anything CLOSE to the WCO of the 90's.
So let's fast forward to two weeks ago.....
What I saw in the recorded games showed me that we were using much less pre-snap shifts and motions. Daman didn't want to believe it, but it's there on tape: We simplified the offense. We dumbed it down to help McCoy.
So let's call this article what it is: BS. NO team runs a pure WCO anymore. That debunks the story even before we get to the part where he recites formation and some out-of-work personnel guy (maybe it was Phil Savage ) correctly calls the play 95% of the time.
The only potential truth could be that teams aren't fooled by us because we've had to dumb down the offense, but even then, that isn't what Lombardi says.
Deep, feel free to add if you like. You may be able to take my spur-of-the-moment thoughts a step further after considering them....
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I just realized something. What exactly does Colt have to work with on offense?
No running game. Hillis sucking has killed us. Two essential rookies at OGs. We also have no credible WRs. No wonder our offense is a damn train wreck. Everybody sucks and that is not an exageration.
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I just realized something. What exactly does Colt have to work with on offense?
No running game. Hillis sucking has killed us. Two essential rookies at OGs. We also have no credible WRs. No wonder our offense is a damn train wreck. Everybody sucks and that is not an exageration.
It doesn't matter. to some, it just doesn't matter. Colt is the culprit and that's the end of the story.
The funny thing is, in the end, they may end up being riight. But let's put something around him and find out. That's not going to happen this year.,
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No running game. Hillis sucking has killed us. Two essential rookies at OGs. We also have no credible WRs. No wonder our offense is a damn train wreck. Everybody sucks and that is not an exageration.
candy...and that is just for starters !
But some NFL analysts predicted a tough season for some NFL franchises...
7/24/2011....Hiestand: Analysts see chaos when NFL starts football
ESPN's Ron Jaworski says an end to the NFL lockout -- no matter when it comes -- won't mean a return to regularly scheduled programming: "This will be the most chaotic season I've ever been exposed to. All hell will break loose."
Sounds entertaining. But not necessarily the usual on-any-given-Sunday NFL parity. "This is uncharted territory," NBC's Cris Collinsworth says. "I can't imagine teams putting in new systems will play at the level of established teams. There may be bigger gaps between haves and have-nots than we've ever seen."
Says the NFL Network's Steve Mariucci: "I absolutely anticipate lopsided games and sloppy football. And I worry about the quarterbacks being protected."
ESPN's Jon Gruden anticipates at least early-season games having "lots of pre-snap penalties — offsides, false starts, illegal formations. And there are going to be simpler offenses, which plays right into the hands of defenses."
At least fans won't have to hear more about injunctive relief or the always-sexy Norris-LaGuardia Act or other lockout elements that were as fun to follow as a tax audit. And pity Major League Baseball and other sports trying to grab fan and news media attention in coming weeks as the league that famously requires every shirt to be tucked and sock pulled up faces a free agent signing frenzy and hurry-up rookie evaluations that might go down as the NFL's Woodstock.
The NFL Network's Mike Mayock suggests the exhibition season should be more revealing — albeit more hazardous to the health of key players. "It's a real problem. Some veterans will get more reps, in games and practices, than coaches would normally like. The quality reps will have to go to the guys who'll play."
Whether or not, ex-NFL coach Gruden suggests, those guys are ready. "There are going to be some guys in great shape, but not football shape." Plus, says Mariucci, also a former NFL coach, players' summer breaks varied: "Some teams have had extensive workouts, but some have not. I worry about a lot of pulled groins and hamstrings early in the season."
Collinsworth expects talk about injuries all season. "Every time somebody gets hurt, we'll hear all about how (if) only they'd had full offseason training," he says. "But the reality is people in the NFL get hurt all the time; it's a war of attrition." Still, the lockout has introduced plenty of mystery. "There's no throwing a blanket over this one," Collinsworth says. "There are some guys out fishing right now who are going to pay a price. And there's no way the leagues and teams know about it."
Mayock suggests new reductions in the frequency of practices in pads, during the preseason and regular season, won't help sort things out: "A young team may need more practices in pads. But now it's being legislated, and that's ridiculous. And, ironically, it will work against the players in terms of injuries. Especially with young teams, you have to teach players how to play at the pace, in pads, that the NFL demands. You limit padded practices, and younger players won't be used to what's going to happen every Sunday. And you're taking away the autonomy of the coach."
But, Mariucci says, "there's no arguing the fewer practices in pads, the fewer injuries," and Jaworski has no problem with fewer such practices and adds "all that contact isn't necessary." Gruden is more circumspect: "When you start putting stipulations on what you can and can't do, I don't know if that's the right thing to do. Teams deserve the right to prepare themselves the way they need to prepare."
The analysts agree that teams with plenty of veterans and continuity in their coaching staffs will have an edge, at least early in the season. Mariucci, noting there are 27 new team offensive and defensive coordinators, expects more lopsided games than usual when veteran teams play teams more in transition — pointing to Fox's Green Bay Packers at Carolina Panthers in Week 2 as a likely candidate. Says Mariucci, "The first part of the season will be a completely different type of month than we're used to."
And it will be easier for every NFL pundit, Jaworski suggests, to eventually explain away faulty prognostications: "It's impossible now to look at the NFL and say who are the good teams and bad teams."
Spice rack: HBO's Ray Stallone answered Sunday on whether there was time for a preseason Hard Knocks: "We won't comment until the NFL lockout is lifted." During Fox's San Diego Padres-Philadelphia Phillies 100-degree baseball game Saturday, Fox's Chris Rose said, "The brain starts cramping in the heat." Fox analyst Eric Karros' follow-up: "How does that affect you?"
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I guess some Browns fans refused to believe what the analysts were predicting...or some fans thought "the Browns" could easily and quickly overcome what was lost in the off season, due to the lockout.
Don't take this as another excuse for bad football...it is not an excuse...
...it is "a reason" and was predicted before the season even started.
Now that some of those predictions have become reality for the Browns, some fans act as if a lockout never occurred or that the Browns were one of franchises those analysts were referring to, with a new HC/OC and a new DC...
...and both had new playbooks they would try to teach to their offensive and defensive units.
It was also predictable, that the offensive side of the ball would be affected more so than the defensive side of the ball. Add the injuries to key members of the offensive unit and we have, what we have !
Yet with all the reasons to fail, the Browns have managed to win 3 games so far...showing some improvement on the defensive side of the ball.
But on the offensive side of the ball, where the injuries to key personnel have impacted the most, it has been and will continue to be "a struggle".
It's going to be a "tough season" for the fans too...what kind of fan are you?
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t's going to be a "tough season" for the fans too...what kind of fan are you?
The same one I have always been ... And you?
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As a Browns fan in the heart of Stillers country, I still wear my colors proud. I work with some diehard Stillers fans...we have a mutual respect for one another because we both know our teams. We do however, rip all the Cowboys fans in lockstep.
I go to one guy's house every Sunday I'm off and watch on his 52" TV (any games that are on), and he would complain about their Oline, while I complained about dink and dunk. When they signed Starks a few weeks back, me and those guys concluded it would start their turnaround...and it has. The Browns have more issues than one addition can help though.
Makes no difference what our record is, I still run to my car for score updates when I work, and watch the games when I'm off. Whenever we do turn the corner, it's gonna be even more sweet.
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Life long fans from both I think have mutual respect for each other. I have married friends who sit on separate sidelines on Sunday too.
Neither likes the fair weather turn coats who 'used' to be Browns fans. (I haven't meet any used to be Steeler fans who came over to our side, although if the tables where to be reversed?)
We have a boat load and then some around my area.
Their the ones if your watching the game at a local watering hole that get in your face and spout BS and thump their chest ... It's pretty pathetic if you know from wince they came.
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Seems to me that there is this argument of McCoy cannot succeed because the oline/wr/rb's stink vs the rb's (bc defenses crowd the los)/wr/oline cannot perform up to their capabilities because of McCoy.
Has anyone considered that both the oline/wr's/rb's AND McCoy stink/
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I guess some Browns fans refused to believe what the analysts were predicting...or some fans thought "the Browns" could easily and quickly overcome what was lost in the off season, due to the lockout.
It's been brought up a lot, but what you end up hearing is this statement: "AT WHAT POINT IS THAT NO LONGER A FACTOR"
Fact is, I believe it will be a factor all year for teams that are putting new systems in place at while they are trying to add talent at the sametime..
Probably not as much of a factor for teams that have been together for a few years with no major overhaul and no changing of systems.
That's a double whammy but I guess if someone just wants to find fault, or sound "smarter than anyone else" then we get what we got.
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I guess some Browns fans refused to believe what the analysts were predicting...or some fans thought "the Browns" could easily and quickly overcome what was lost in the off season, due to the lockout.
It's been brought up a lot, but what you end up hearing is this statement: "AT WHAT POINT IS THAT NO LONGER A FACTOR"
Fact is, I believe it will be a factor all year for teams that are putting new systems in place at while they are trying to add talent at the sametime..
Probably not as much of a factor for teams that have been together for a few years with no major overhaul and no changing of systems.
That's a double whammy but I guess if someone just wants to find fault, or sound "smarter than anyone else" then we get what we got.
Shoot - I even had a respected poster question me as to how long is long enough for me, especially since, in his eyes, I don't have a significant financial investment in the Browns.
Overlooked was the simple fact that I don't like the Browns stinking - but I also don't agree with starting over with new coaches and front office every 2 to 2 1/2 years.
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I guess some Browns fans refused to believe what the analysts were predicting...or some fans thought "the Browns" could easily and quickly overcome what was lost in the off season, due to the lockout.
It's been brought up a lot, but what you end up hearing is this statement: "AT WHAT POINT IS THAT NO LONGER A FACTOR"
Fact is, I believe it will be a factor all year for teams that are putting new systems in place at while they are trying to add talent at the sametime..
Probably not as much of a factor for teams that have been together for a few years with no major overhaul and no changing of systems.
That's a double whammy but I guess if someone just wants to find fault, or sound "smarter than anyone else" then we get what we got.
Shoot - I even had a respected poster question me as to how long is long enough for me, especially since, in his eyes, I don't have a significant financial investment in the Browns.
Overlooked was the simple fact that I don't like the Browns stinking - but I also don't agree with starting over with new coaches and front office every 2 to 2 1/2 years.
I hear ya., 8 games in and some are expecting the perfection of the 49ers after three years of building under Bill Walsh. 
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8 games in and some are expecting the perfection of the 49ers after three years of building under Bill Walsh.
Help. I'm drowning in hyperbole.
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8 games in and some are expecting the perfection of the 49ers after three years of building under Bill Walsh.
Help. I'm drowning in hyperbole.
Sure, but am I wrong? I don't believe I am
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8 games in and some are expecting the perfection of the 49ers after three years of building under Bill Walsh.
Help. I'm drowning in hyperbole.
Sure, but am I wrong? I don't believe I am
Yes, you are. Unless you can point to one fan or comment where the expectation for this team is to be on par with a seasoned Walsh team led by Montana.
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Arch, all I'm saying is that after 12 years, we appear, on paper, to have more talent, but we still don't compete, we don't even have the look and feel of an NFL team.
I understand the continuity problem. Trust me I've been preaching that for years.. Arians didn't know what he was doing, then Chud didn't know what he was doing, none of our head coaches knew what they were doing.. QBs constantly under duress don't look good, we change 2 or 3 OL almost every year, we are a 4-3 team, then we are a 3-4 team, now we are a 4-3 team again...... trust me, I get it.
As for the financial thing, I was not trying to imply that the more money you spend the bigger fan you are, I was just stating that I understand why some people, especially those with season tickets and ESPECIALLY a guy like Peen who has all of the travel associated with it, are tired of dumping that kind of cash and that kind of time into something as crappy as the product we see on the field every week. I can go to a game and have a pretty good time even if we lose as long as the game is competitive... but to take the time and spend the money to go to a bunch of games when you EXPECT the team to suck?.. I'm sure that gets old after 2, 3, 5, 9 years.... and I'm not sure how long I would want to continue to do it with this team.
I'd still be a fan, I'd still wear my jerseys, I'd still go to a bar or get the ticket or whatever to watch the games... but spend thousands of dollars and give up all of those entire weekends? I doubt it.
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