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I'm astounded that McQueary is still employed by PSU as I type this. Ultimately - besides Sandusky of course - he's the person MOST at fault for what this has all become, yet he's still a part of the university?
And he's the recruiting coordinator? Seriously, what young man is going to get a letter from/ speak to/ or visit him recruiting wise and be able to take him seriously? It's a joke.
Dude needs to be gone yesterday and if he's a part of that coaching staff come Saturday afternoon I have some real hesitation about the PSU Board of Trustees.
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This article was posted in April. Raises a big question in my mind. Why did Sandusky retire and what did Penn St know. Who else knew? Guy was a top assistant coach and just up and quit in his prime (for a coach)? Defiantly gives fodder to the conspiracy theorist. Quote:
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Posted: Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:55 pm | Updated: 4:34 pm, Mon Apr 4, 2011.
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The Jerry Sandusky situation seems a matter of failure to connect certain dots, or perhaps unwillingness in that regard. Lots of people besides the former Penn State defensive coordinator have some explaining to do.
Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.
Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.
It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?
Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.
Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?
Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.
In 1999, Penn State was rid of Sandusky. His rep was unblemished, which allowed him to continue running a charitable foundation that gave him access to underage males. To be a volunteer assistant with a high school football team, thus gaining access to underage males.
If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?
This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.
Initially accused in 1998. Retires in 1999. Never coaches college football again. Sandusky was very successful at what he did. The architect of Linebacker U. Helped win national championships in 1982 and 1986. Recognized as college football's top assistant in 1986 and 1999.
Never any stories about Sandusky being pursued for a high-profile job. Never any rumors about him coming out of retirement.
But there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer.
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And note that was posted in april of this year, long before this became a sensation! 
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Here is an article from CBSSportline reporting the timeline we know at this time. Didn't see it in here earlier, but could have missed it with all the back and forth going on about this heinous situation.
This began in 1999, or at least 'began' from the standpoint that others at Penn State became aware of the issue(s).
Not from this article but from one posted just a bit earlier, pertaining to a Mr Madden who was on a radio show earlier stating that much much worse things could be learned, he was fired by ESPN, as a contributor writer, for his article about this a while ago (around April I think). They should offer him a public apology, he was right and they let a huge story go. Makes me wonder why? Did the university say or do something that ESPN didn't want to test PSU's resolve on the issue, as a non-specific example. (I don't like speculating in such matters, but lots of ppl dropped the ball on this one and JoePa and the prez there should be just the beginning, Just saying at Penn State, not ESPN, this was just a side-point and insignificant compared to PSU, not trying to derail things.
Anyway, back to the posted CBS timeline report. CBS Sportsline
A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.
1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.
1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.
January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.
January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.
1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.
1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.
1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.
1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.
1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.
Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.
1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.
Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."
Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.
The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.
June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.
Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.
Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.
Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy -- known as Victim 8 -- pinned up against the wall and performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.
March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.
March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.
March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director, to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.
March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.
2005-2006: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.
Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.
Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.
Early 2009: An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.
September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.
Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.
Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.
Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.
Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno announces he'll retire at the end of the season. Later in the evening, the Board of Trustees removes Paterno as head coach. Penn State President Graham Spanier is also let go.
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I'm astounded that McQueary is still employed by PSU as I type this. Ultimately - besides Sandusky of course - he's the person MOST at fault for what this has all become, yet he's still a part of the university?
And he's the recruiting coordinator? Seriously, what young man is going to get a letter from/ speak to/ or visit him recruiting wise and be able to take him seriously? It's a joke.
Dude needs to be gone yesterday and if he's a part of that coaching staff come Saturday afternoon I have some real hesitation about the PSU Board of Trustees.
I couldn't agree more!
Article by Greg Doyel on this jerk:
McQueary to coach Saturday? Reasoning difficult to comprehend
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- As of right now, Mike McQueary will coach Saturday for Penn State when it plays Nebraska. There are theories behind this, theories that delve deeply into legal stuff, and I'll address those theories in a minute. At the moment, though, I'm trying to wrap my brain around the idea that Joe Paterno got fired for doing the same thing Mike McQueary did or did not do in 2002 -- and still Mike McQueary will coach Saturday.
And I'm failing to understand, because the idea is grotesque. Mike McQueary, coaching? Saturday? This is the same Mike McQueary who claimed to have seen a young boy being sexually assaulted by former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky in a football shower in 2002, and who reacted by running away. From what we know, the attack by Jerry Sandusky -- an attack McQueary has testified to seeing -- continued in that shower.
Mike McQueary ran away.
Didn't stop it.
Mike McQueary ran to his telephone, but his first call wasn't to the police. His second call wasn't to the police, either. I could go on and on, but let's just say this: McQueary never called the police. What he did was, he called his daddy. He told his daddy what he saw, and his daddy told McQueary to get the hell out of that building.
Presumably, Sandusky was still in the shower. And Sandusky wasn't alone.
Mike McQueary will coach for Penn State on Saturday against Nebraska. Sorry, I'm repeating myself. Still trying to wrap my brain around that fact. Still failing.
But it's not for lack of effort. I've asked Penn State people for help, but didn't get it. For the first time as interim coach, Tom Bradley met the media on Thursday -- and I asked him about McQueary. Lots of people asked Bradley about that, wanting to know if McQueary would coach on Saturday (yes), who made the decision (interim athletic director Mark Sherburne), where McQueary would perform his coaching duties (maybe the press box).
And those were all good questions. But they weren't my question. My question was, as I posed it to Bradley," Joe Paterno got fired for not reporting what happened in 2002 to police. Mike McQueary didn't report it either. Why is Paterno not coaching Saturday but McQueary is?"
Bradley ducked the question, as he ducked most hard questions Thursday, and I don't blame him for that. This is an active criminal case, and people much higher up the food chain at Penn State are making the toughest decisions. Why is McQueary allowed to coach on Saturday? It's not for Tom Bradley to say. He might not even know.
But I have two theories, and this is not an either/or proposition. Both theories could be true. Both could be false too, but I doubt it. I mean, I really doubt it. One of these theories is true, possibly both. Here they are, and my money's on the second one:
1. Penn State is afraid to fire McQueary because that would leave the school vulnerable to a lawsuit under whistleblower laws, which protect employees like McQueary after reporting illegal activity at the workplace. Whether McQueary would be eligible for such protection, that's not for me to say. But that's one theory why he remains on the sideline, and Joe Paterno does not. McQueary reported an alleged crime to Paterno nine years ago, and circumstances emanating from that allegation have led us here. If McQueary is fired, the seeds of his dismissal would have been planted in 2002.
2. The Pennsylvania attorney general's office doesn't want to lose McQueary as a cooperative witness, should the AG decide to pursue legal charges against Paterno for not doing enough in 2002, and the AG's office has asked the school not to alienate McQueary by firing him. That's my belief, that the attorney general wants to leave the door cracked -- just barely cracked, but cracked nonetheless -- toward charges against Paterno. The charges might not stick, might not have a chance of sticking, but that wouldn't be the point. The AG's point would be: Let's send a message to everyone in this state that sex crimes must be reported, and not just to a supervisor but to the police.
That's what I believe. I believe Penn State is doing whatever it can to help the attorney general, up to and including the makeup of its coaching staff for Saturday's game. That's a crazy thought, but this is a crazy situation. It's an unfathomable allegation -- a possible child molester, once one of the most respected men in town and the heir apparent to Joe Paterno's throne at Penn State, running amok in State College. It's insane.
So is the idea Mike McQueary will coach on Saturday. It's unsightly to the eyes, inappropriate to common decency, disrespectful to Sandusky's alleged victims. It's insane that Penn State receivers coach Mike McQueary would coach Saturday, unless there's a lot more going on here than concern for Penn State's receivers.
And I hope to God there is more going on than that.
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A comment to that article from site users might add another reason, PSU knows they can control whst this guy says as long as he's a coach. If they fire him, he could really damage the university even more.
I know this all appears like a witchhunt again JoePa....but it should be a witchhunt for ALL people that performed the acts and covered it up. Of course, JoePa is the biggest name and the university felt more heat to fire him. But really, this guy has to go too.
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Wow.. there is just so much failure in that by so many people that it is hard to fathom. 
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Wow, that is an awful timeline to walkthrough. So many people failed those kids/victims.
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I still just get so upset that it's on the "figurehead."
How many reports do you think the head coach of a major institution like Penn State -- OOOOOOR Ohio State gets per day?
That's why they have compliance departments. That's about the ONLY reason they have them.
I am not saying he is scott free or innocent and even he knows/wishes he could have done more. BUT ... with parties, drugs, alcohol, women, cheating, skipping practices ... how many times does a head coach need to follow up on his due diligence for each and every story?
YES - red flags should have gone off ... but I hope everyone can at least see it from the other side as well EVEN if you guys don't agree with my viewpoint.
If you knew a guy for decades ... and I mean worked with him, saw him every day, knew him, knew his family ... and then out of nowhere almost you are blindsided by finding out there is an allegation on him? And the allegation is from a 20 year old kid?
He passes it off to the University Compliance - his superiors - the very ones who are supposed to deal with it. After that the guy leaves his position and it's no longer in joe's hands. He isn't the judge , jury and executioner. He passed it on to compliance. Think about that.
Everyone can say that Joe should have investigated further - but it wasn't his job.
Do any of you call child services when you see someone spank or scold their children? Do you call the cops if a buddy of yours drinks to make sure he doesn't drive? I know these things aren't the same exactly ... but how do we live in a society where we call someone a failure because he didn't go beyond the call of duty?
Right or wrong in hindsight, and regardless of what many of us would have done or would HOPE that we would have done, Joe turned this matter and this ALLEGATION over to the proper people. Just like he has probably turned over countless other allegations on his team and staff.
The actions themselves ... I cannot put into words.
The individuals who were responsible for allowing it to continue when THEY SAW IT are just as guilty as Sandusky himself. And the compliance department that didn't fully investigate it should be in jail twice as long because who knows how many others suffered but were also put at risk.
My point is basically two final thoughts.
1. Do we really want to live in a world where people are judged based upon what they COULD have done and not what they were SUPPOSED to do? It's not like the code written told Joe to investigate further and in some cases he could have caused more damage by calling the police each and every time he heard an allegation. He wasn't compliance. He wasn't the police. He turned it over to the people who were qualified and they failed.
and 2. While it has yet to come out ... if at the end of the day (or week or month or whatever) we discover that Joe didn't even know the extent of what happened - even as I write this the ticker is going across ESPN that he claimed he vaguely remembers McCreary using the words "horsing around" "touching" .... no specifics - but if Joe REALLY didn't know the extent then how can everyone hold him to these standards?
Should he really have to be the head coach of a major institution and the guy who investigates each and every claim against any player or coach in their regime? That's why they have the compliance department.
I don't think he was entirely innocent. I really don't. But at the end of the day I just don't know HOW MUCH he knew. The channels and chain of command were in place. They failed. In my opinion ... if Joe TRULY didn't know what happened (as is what is currently being reported) then he is just a scape goat here for the University to save face after they made blunder after blunder in how they handled this.
Keep in mind - I'm not entrenched in this side either. I really will call for the harshest of pubishments if Joe knew and did nothing. However ... I just can't imagine that the guy who has benched star players, cut "problems" from the team (such as our own Phil Taylor) and has led an institution of compliance (correct me if I am wrong but it's the only school in the BCS era without a SINGLE violation).... It just doesn't make sense that the guy who has basically had an entire career of making the honorable decisions somehow covers up one of the worst ones possible. Maybe it did go down that way ... but it honestly doesn't fit.
I'll be the first to say I was wrong. You guys won't even need to call me out. But I just can't condemn him until I know he really knew and did nothing.
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See, Joe HAD to have known what happened in that shower. McQuery said, according to his testimony, he saw Jerry having anal intercourse with a young teenager in the shower. How in the world would McQuery meet with JoePa the next day and then only use the words "horsing around", "touching" or "fondling....no specifics? Bull.
He knew. They all knew. Re-read the timeline BatDawg posted. This wasn't the only incident with Sandusky during JoePa's tenure. To me, that the really big deal with JoePa, this all happened during his long watch. It's not like a random guy working at Berea who could get lost in the shuffle while we have a different head coach every 2-3 years.....JoePa was the all-knowing force there. Jerry was his guy. He would had to have known about all of this. Come on, people call him the most powerful man in the state...and we're talking about him not knowing about a guy on his staff showering with young boys over and over again.
And really, think about it, why would McQuery go to JoePa's house to describe the eye witness report of what he saw the day earlier only to say something like, "Jerry was doing something bad, but I can't even tell you high-level details of it." But yet, in a grand jury testimony almost a decade later he describes Sandusky performing anal sex with a minor?! Come on, he told JoePa the details. Hell, even his dad came over to the house to help McQuery with the story.
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And that's exactly why I can't believe anything until I hear Joe speak at least.
Could McCreary have remembered wrong? Could he have been so ashamed of running and doing nothing that he never went into detail? Maybe he never even told everything to the AD for all we know and they had to investigate it all themselves?
But my point continues to be that until we get more than a (I apologize for this) a COWARD's testimony ... I just can't condemn a man when we don't know if he knew or not.
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See, Joe HAD to have known what happened in that shower. McQuery said
And that's exactly why I can't believe anything until I hear Joe speak at least.
Could McCreary have remembered wrong? Could he have been so ashamed of running and doing nothing that he never went into detail? Maybe he never even told everything to the AD for all we know and they had to investigate it all themselves?
But my point continues to be that until we get more than a (I apologize for this) a COWARD's testimony ... I just can't condemn a man when we don't know if he knew or not.
Well, if you follow Tops logic, McCreary should be fired for having seen it and not reported it any further up the chain than Paterno.., right?
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At this point yes. And let me be more clear I guess. I am for firing and harsh punishment for anyone that knew and did nothing or that covered it up.
If Joe knew than he is as bad (if not worse) than the rest of them.
At this point I just honestly don't know that he did know. That's my point.
The red headed coach faced adversity and failed. Some even claim he could have been a victim at one point and maybe that's why he did nothing... but until it all comes out I just know that he admitted to knowing and seeing and did nothing. He didn't call the police. Why didn't HE follow up ... he knew for sure!
But because Joe is the figurehead then by cutting him it makes the university look a little better to appease the public. I just don't know if Joe actually knew and until I do I can't condemn him (or any of the other coaches on his staff) because in this country we are assumed innocent until proven guilty.
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this is alot simpler than people are making it out to be.
can mccreary do his job successfully after these allegations? can he continue to be the recruiting co-ordinator for Penn State? can he successfully get a bunch of kids to trust him as he must as WR-coach? will he take away from the distractions of the team or add to them?
the answer is simply no. and, if you cannot do your job, then you should not have your job.
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can mccreary do his job successfully after these allegations? can he continue to be the recruiting co-ordinator for Penn State? can he successfully get a bunch of kids to trust him as he must as WR-coach? will he take away from the distractions of the team or add to them?
the answer is simply no. and, if you cannot do your job, then you should not have your job.
Well heck, it's even simpler than that.. if he knew and didn't sing it from the roof tops,, why is he still there..
I mean, this looks a lot like a double standard.. fire Paterno for not telling anyone but his boss and keep McCreary for only telling boss..
What any of us would do is irrelevant. But that's pretty much what PSU did.
If you are going to apply a standard, apply it evenly.
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hazy line there though. some have intimated that the whistleblower laws in PA are the reason that McCreary has not been fired. since he was the one who reported the incident, he cannot be fired for reporting the incident.
that may seem a bit (alot?) hypocritical w/ what happened to JoePa, but the higher up the chain you go, the more responsibilities you have and the higher the standards you are supposed to be held to (and he wouldn't be protected by this particular law).
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I don't mean to laugh but LOL at the comment in the reviews section on amazon about how the guy loved the book and can't wait for the adaptation by roman polanski in the summer of 2012
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I stumbled across this .... I really think it captures (basically) most all of my feelings right now.... http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/Quote:
Let me start with this: I am writing a book about Joe Paterno. I am getting paid a sizable amount of money to do so, some of which I plan to donate to the charity of Joe’s choice, some of which I plan to keep. I have been working on this book, on and off, speed bumps and traffic jams, for a couple of years now. I moved away from my family, to State College, for the football season. I had many hard feelings about that. But I believed — as my wife believed — that it was the right thing to do. I came here to write about one of the giants of sports. And my wife and I both felt that the only way to tell the story, for better and worse, was to be around it every day.
The last week has torn me up emotionally. This doesn’t matter, of course. All that matters are the victims of the horrible crimes allegedly committed by former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. I cannot say that enough times. Sometimes, I feel like the last week or so there has been a desperate race among commentators and others to prove that they are MORE against child molesting than anyone else. That makes me sick. We’re all sickened. We’re all heartbroken. We’re all beyond angry, in a place of rage where nothing seems real. The other day, I called it “howling.” I meant that in the purest sense of the word — crying in pain.
So two points to get out of the way:
1. I think Joe Paterno had the responsibility as a leader and a man to stop the horrific rapes allegedly committed by Jerry Sandusky, and I believe he will have regrets about this for the rest of his life.
2. For this, he could no longer coach at Penn State University.
Beyond this two things, though, I said I wasn’t going to write about this because I feel like there’s still a lot of darkness around. I don’t know what Joe Paterno knew. I don’t know how he handled it. I don’t know if he followed up. I don’t know anything about Paterno’s role in this except for what little was said about that in the horrifying and stomach-turning grand jury findings. People have jumped to many conclusions about Paterno’s role and his negligence, and they might be right. I’ll say it again: They might be right. But they might be wrong, too. And I’m writing a book about the man. I can’t live in that world of maybes.
It hasn’t been easy to stay silent — nor is it my personality. As anyone who knows me will tell you, I will write 5,000 words about an infomercial I don’t like. But I thought it was important that I stay out of the middle of this, observe the scene, and I still think that’s important.
But — well, I’ve already said that my emotions don’t matter here, that they are nothing like what the victims went through, but for the purposes of this essay I’ll tell you them anyway: I’ve been wrecked the last week. Writing a book comes from the soul. It consumes you — mentally, emotionally, spiritually, all of it. I have thought about Joe Paterno, his strengths, his flaws, his triumphs, his failures, his core, pretty much nonstop for months now. I have talked to hundreds of people about him in all walks of life. I have read 25 or 30 books about him, countless articles. I’m not saying I know Joe Paterno. I’m saying I know a whole lot about him.
And what I know is complicated. But, beyond complications — and I really believe this with all my heart — there’s this, and this is exclusively my opinion: Joe Paterno has lived a profoundly decent life.
Nobody has really wanted to say this lately, and I grasp that. The last week has obviously shed a new light on him and his program — a horrible new light — and if you have any questions about how I feel about things, please scroll back up to my two points at the top.
But I have seen some things in the last few days that have felt rotten, utterly wrong — a piling on that goes even beyond excessive, a dancing on the grave that makes me ill. Joe Paterno has lived a whole life. He has improved the lives of countless people. I know. I’ve talked to hundreds of them. I walk by the library that he and his wife Sue built almost every day. I walk by the religious center that tries to bring people together, and his name is on the list of major donors. I hear the stories, the countless stories, of the kindnesses that came naturally to him, of the way he stuck with people in their worst moments, of the belief he had that everybody could do a little bit better — as a football player, as a student, as a human being. I’m not going to tell you these stories now, because you can’t hear them. Nobody can hear them in the howling.
But I will say that I am sickened, absolutely sickened, that some of those people whose lives were fundamentally inspired and galvanized by Joe Paterno have not stepped forward to stand up for him, have stood back and allowed him to be painted as an inhuman monster who was only interested in his legacy, even at the cost of the most heinous crimes against children imaginable.
Shame on them.
And why? I’ll tell you my opinion: Because they were afraid. And I understand that. A kind word for Joe Paterno in this storm is taken by many as a pro vote for a child molester. A quick, “Wait a minute, Joe Paterno is a good man. Let’s see what happened here,” is translated as an attempt to minimize the horror of what Jerry Sandusky is charged with doing. It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it’s this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you.
And that’s shameful. I have not wanted to speak because it’s not my place to speak. I’m Joe Paterno’s biographer. I’m here to write about the man. I’m not here to write a fairy tale, and I’m not here to write a hit job, and I hope to be nowhere near either extreme. I’m here to write a whole story. I’ve had people ask me: “Will you include all this in the book?” Well, OF COURSE, I will — this is the tragic ending of a career. I’m going to wait for evidence, and if it turns out that Joe Paterno knowingly covered this up, then I will write that with all the power and fury I have in me.
But I will wait. I will have to wait.
And then, yeah, I opened my big mouth. On Thursday morning, I went to speak at the “Paterno and the Media” class on the Penn State campus — I have spoken at the class the last two or three years. This was obviously one day after Paterno had been fired, and the campus had been turned inside out, and so on. I woke up wondering if I really should go. But I decided I had to go.
And when asked questions, I had to say how I felt. It spilled out of me. I suppose it caused a bit of a Twitter uproar — I say “I suppose” because for the first time in memory I am not checking Twitter, and I think I’ll stay away for a while — but what I remember saying is:
1. Joe Paterno is responsible for what happens on his watch. Period.
2. People are making assumptions about what Joe did or didn’t know, what Joe did or didn’t do, and I can’t tell you that those assumptions are wrong. But I can tell you that they are assumptions based on one side of the story.
3. We are in a top-you world where everyone is not only trying to report something faster but is also trying to report something ANGRIER. One guy wants Joe Paterno to resign, the next wants him to be fired, the next wants him to be fired this minute, the next wants him to be fired and arrested, the next wants him to be fired, arrested and jailed, on and on, until we’ve lost sight of who actually committed the crimes here.
4. I think the University could not possibly have handled this worse. It was disgusting and disgraceful, the method in which they fired Joe Paterno after 60 years of service, and yes, I do think Paterno was a scapegoat. Of course he was. I’ve already said that he had to be let go. But to let him dangle out there, take up all the headlines, face the bulk of the media pressure, absolutely, that’s the very definition of scapegoat. Three people were indicted and arrested. A fourth, I hear, will be indicted soon. Joe Paterno is not one of the four.
5. It is still unclear what Paterno did in this case. It will remain unclear for a while. You might be one of the hundreds and hundreds of people I’ve heard from who know EXACTLY what Paterno did. He HAD to know this. He DEFINITELY knew that. He COULD have done something. I respect that. Joe Paterno’s a public figure. You have every right to believe what you want to believe and be absolutely certain about it. But since we have not heard from Joe, not heard from former athletic director Tim Curley, not heard from GA/assistant coach Mike McQueary, not heard from anyone who was in the room, I’ll repeat: It’s unclear. A determined grand jury did not charge Joe Paterno with any crime. A motivated reporting barrage, so far anyway, has not uncovered a single thing that can tell us definitively what Joe Paterno knew.
You can say that he knew enough to stop this, and I’d say you were right. I have tried so hard to make it clear that I am not defending Joe Paterno’s actions or inactions, but I know that won’t be enough. You may be writing an email right now telling me how terrible child molestation is, how awful a person Joe Paterno is, how awful a person I am for wanting to wait and see. I understand. This case hits emotions that are unstoppable.
But I will say this: Paterno has paid a price here. His job is gone. His life’s work has been soiled. His reputation is in tatters. Maybe that should be the price. Maybe there should be more of a price. You don’t have to type: “Well, his price is nothing like the price of those victims…” I already know that.
But I think the way Joe Paterno has lived his life has earned him something more than instant fury, more than immediate assumptions of the worst, more than the happy cheers of critics who have always believed that there was something phony about the man and his ideals. He deserves what I would hope we all deserve — for the truth to come out, or, anyway, the closest thing to truth we can find.
I don’t think Joe Paterno has gotten that. And I think that’s sad.
And with that, I’m going back underground to wrestle with my book and doubts and emotions and everything that goes with it.
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First of all - Paterno was fired due to all of this. Did he do what he was legally required to do? Yes. Should he have followed up on it years ago? Yes.
But, he did follow protocol. He reported it when he found out about it. Blame the AD, or the president. Blame McQueary - cripes - he SAW it happen and didn't say anything till the next day?
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He reported it to his supervisor.. Was he supposed to go around his boss to the board of directors or president of the University? Or maybe the press.
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Again, I don't think Peterno did anything wrong and doesn't deserve to go out like this.
This is the part that troubles me. There is an allegation of a criminal act against a child. This is not something you just hand off to the AD. This is not recruiting violations, it is not tattoos, it isn't boosters and players contacting NFL agents. This is not ETHICAL violations of NCAA misconduct this is Felony Crime.
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't coaches of a school fall under some type of mandated reporting if they are aware, or made aware of a crime being committed against a child? Mandated reporting means going to law enforcement not athletic directors.
I am no legal eagle so for those on this board who are attorneys or are more familiar with the law please clue me in. I am thinking that before too long, Joe may be brought up on charges as well.
The sad thing is, with this, as in life, it is not the thousand things you do right in life . . . it is the one thing you did wrong that people will remember most about you.
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another thought/question:
What's the differene between the positions Paterno and the pope are/have been at? What's the difference? The pope didn't even fire most of the molesters, just relocating them into other communities
Yet, JoePa gets fired and looked down at and the pope gets away with it and is still loved? Am I missing something?
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ESPN didn't spend a few days painting the pope to be the bad guy before they knew the facts ...
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 What I see here is that supposedly good people acted cowardly and without regard for an innocent child. How anyone can defend anything that happened in this situation is beyond me. You know what they say when good men do nothing.....
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I like how every conversation regarding Pen State has to start with "Right now it's all about the victims and their families.." and then everyone goes on to talk about everything BUT that...
EDIT: And just as I make that thought, Mark May (who I usually hate) makes a great comment regarding more people caring about who's coaching this weekend than the kids...
This is all very depressing.
And why I don't really watch the news, because when something horrible happens, that's all you hear about for a month...
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1. Do we really want to live in a world where people are judged based upon what they COULD have done and not what they were SUPPOSED to do?
Yeah bro its called negligence. Thousands of lawsuits and millions of dollars are founded upon that principle.
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But if you listen to what I say (or remember how ESPN treated Tat-Gate) Then maybe you can actually get the point of what I mean through all of this and not just click the " " button ... Have we heard from Joe yet? Have we technically heard from any of the accused or fired? The only real testimony we have is of the guy who witnessed a rape of a child and did nothing ... and you trust him? Think about that. ESPN ran news segments condemning Paterno with the likes of Mark May, Mike and Mike, and half of the other talking heads for a few days saying time after time how Paterno was horrible and needed to be let go now. "Not one more game!" they were all saying... How is it that despite not hearing Joe's side of the story - so many people ... including people on this board who usually LAUGH at espn ... are suddenly siding with their every word? If you read my actual points before rolling your eyes you would have seen that I just want to know the TRUTH before I start making ASSUMPTIONS Jules ... as I've said time and again ... if guilty then he deserves a special place in hell. But to me ... the guy who built a library, a religious center, visited countless hospitals and has given just about as much time and effort to youth and making young boys into young men as anyone I have ever known ... I just don't believe he is as horrible as everyone seems to be assuming that he is. Horrible crimes or not - every man in this country is allowed the right of due process ... you take that away and we might as well not have a legal system.
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Not what I meant. But you got me.
What I should have written is what we could have done above and beyond our legal requirement.
My mistake for not clarifying.
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What I found peculiar in all this is when these allegations came to light there was no response on campus by the throngs of students, but when it's announced that JoPa is fired, instant riot.
Seriously your campus is being used for sexual depravity of young boys and that's not alarming enough but let a stupid football coach get fired and you're turning over television trucks and inciting riots?
What are they teaching these kids in this school?
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Not what I meant. But you got me.
What I should have written is what we could have done above and beyond our legal requirement.
My mistake for not clarifying.
Negligence just doesn't entail a "legal requirement". It asks if there was a duty owed and if the person failed to do what a reasonable prudent person would do which is a question of fact for the jury to determine. There isn't a jury in the U.S. who wouldn't find Paterno negligent and that is conduct fell below what a reasonable prudent person would do in the same situation. The standard isn't a legal requirement in this instance.
I am telling you people with deep pockets ie...JoePa, Spainer, AD guy, and PSU are going to be sued for negligence and most likely found guilty.
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Perhaps. I still don't know becuase I don't know what Joe knew. That's not a cop out - it's why I am arguing the way I am!
I'm not sticking with Joe "til death" ... I'm sticking with Joe until he is proven to have known and have done nothing.
A reasonable person who would have known would have probably followed up. The question (once again) is how much he knew.
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A reasonable person who would have known would have probably followed up. The question (once again) is how much he knew.
I dont care if the WR coach accused Sandusky fondling, touching, or just being in the bathroom late at night with child...all of it looks suspicious and requires more investigating than causally reporting it to superior.
^^That's what a reasonable prudent and cautious person would do.There isn't going to be a jury in Penn that doesn't agree.
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What I found peculiar in all this is when these allegations came to light there was no response on campus by the throngs of students, but when it's announced that JoPa is fired, instant riot.
Seriously your campus is being used for sexual depravity of young boys and that's not alarming enough but let a stupid football coach get fired and you're turning over television trucks and inciting riots?
What are they teaching these kids in this school?
It's the same thing as it related to Texas Tech when Mike Leach got fired..
"Wait a minute! You can't fire him, he wins football games!"
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Sorry, but your posts are coming off as pretty homerish. And my eye rolling was directed at your Pope ESPN comment.
Look, even you can't believe that Paterno thought they were just "horseplaying" in that shower. You have to know that, right?
I'm not using anything ESPN is saying to come to any conclusions....and I listened to Mike and Mike talk about this for a couple of mornings for a short time and if you think they are calling him horrible, etc., then you need to check the homer thing again, because that is not what they were doing when I was listening.
I'm not convicting the man of anything, just using a little common sense when looking at the evidence out there so far. I've always respected Paterno. I'm saddened that this will become his legacy. It's my opinion though, sadly, that it will turn out to be true that he earned that legacy.
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Just read the grand jury report.
A lot of inaction all around, from janitors to coaches to administrators.
From the limited story the report tells, Curley and Schultz directly covered this up. Not just inaction, but an attempt to deceive.
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(once again) - this is your opinion without even hearing Joe's story ...
And only taking the story of a "man" who witnessed said rape and did NOTHING to stop it.... condoning it in a way.
What if Joe comes out and the story was McQueary went up to Joe and said ... "Hey Joe ... yeah my dad was in town and I wanted him to come by and visit you because boy he's a big fan. Yup ... he's real thankful that you let me get this position so I gave him a tour of the facilities and ... oh by the way ... I saw coach Sandusky there last night with some boy from one of his charities - they were kinda fooling around ... I don't know but uh ... I didn't know if you knew he was there or not ... anyways - just wanted to stop by ... don't forget that meeting tonight!"
And if it comes out like that - even if in different words which were ONLY remembered so far officially by the man who let rape occur when he witnessed it ... then how is it fair to Paterno?
And that's not even accounting for McQueary not using as many words for fear of him losing a job, for fear of backlash ... maybe not using a common language .... I mean "fooling around" is a lot different of a term for a 20 some year old than it is an 80 year old.
Maybe Joe didn't bat an eye because he was preoccupied. Maybe it happened when they were watching tape. Maybe the conversation happened in as many as 3 sentences and then was never even emphasized. Maybe (for all we know) Joe just didn't hear the guy ... and it's not like McQueary is going to be shouting from the rooftops that a top figure at Penn State is a monster.
How many other allegations did McQueary bring? What kind of guy is he? Did he tattle on some players for stealing towels? Did he tell stories that everyone knew were embellished to try to look cool in front of others? Was he trusted? Furthemore ... would Joe fully trust a 20 something grad student over a man he knew and had coached with for DECADES?
My point is that it's a lot more complicated than "JOE KNEW SO HE'S GUILTY."
I mean ... that COULD still be the case and I hope you guys can see I'm not trying to be one sided here ... I'm just saying the basis of my entire argument is no-one really knows yet what Joe knew. And either it will come out that Joe was fired for no reason other than unjustified fact and rumors ... or he himself is a monster. Unfortunately ...the less evil option of the two is going out "on top" by being accused as an accomplice of a child molester.
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This thread is a classic example of what fires up a mob mentality.
All sense of seeking the facts goes out the window and the witch hunt begins.
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Fair enough. I don't want to seem like a homer. I have put time and time again that if he is guilty I'll be the first to kick him to the curb.
I felt like you read my comments and didn't even finish reading them or try to see where I was coming.
I also know that just because something looks bad it doesn't mean that it HAS to be that way.
Even if in your eyes it's only a .01% chance ... there is STILL a chance that Paterno is 100% innocent in all of this. Maybe less ... but there still is that chance.
I meant before he was even let go last night that leading up to it the past few days they were all calling him guilty and saying he should be out.
I am willing to cast him aside or proclaim him as guilty if not worse than Sandusky ... but I just want due process. He didn't get that.
And maybe it's not just "incompetence" ... because while that could be true- could there have been someone who said "but don't let Joe know this ... he'd come right out and say it... let's keep him out the loop and tell him we took care of it."
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist ... but what blood has paterno ever had on his hands? And suddenly we are supposed to believe that the guy who has helped so many and has done so much for everyone is suddenly willing to allow children to be raped?
It just doesn't make sense and I can't accept it without at least some sort of proof. And while I will honestly continue to do my best not to sound like a homer ... if the only proof we have so far is a guy who admitted that he knew children were raped and he did nothing ... maybe we need to wait for a little more.
I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm just saying as much as everyone claims they KNOW he is guilty and that he knew everything ... there is really no way to prove that he knew almost any of it ... let alone all of it.
Sorry if I offended.
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No offense at all. I just thought that comment was reaching...big time.  I would love for your optimistic look at this to be true. I don't think it is, but I certainly won't completely disgard it. This will all play out, and we'll see how it ends. It won't take away what happened, but it would be somewhat better to hear that everyone involved wasn't selfish, callous, cowardly, and just plain rotten.
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What can I say? ... I'm a glass half-full type of guy.... Heck - shouldn't that be evident just by turning on the game on sundays and thinking we can win? 
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It won't take away what happened, but it would be somewhat better to hear that everyone involved wasn't selfish, callous, cowardly, and just plain rotten.
What about stupid?
What if after everything it seems as though while some covered it up, it wasn't maliciously.. just...dumb?
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