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like score touchdowns without actually breaking the plane with the ball.

He is a sophmore

That would be great but Honey Badger is only a Sophomore and not draft eligible.

He'll be at the top of a lot of draft rankings next year though.

Purp.....thanks for the vid. The punt return he makes starting at 1:52 could have been the greatest ever had he not been shoestring tackled near the end. Unreal.

Too bad he's a sophomore.

As good as he is, the hype might be higher....and we'd see another Ted Ginn draft situation. Drafted too high and all the pressure in the world is on him to return every kick.

Which is what I think we're going to see with Luck.

I'm not even talking about his talent, etc. Look at the hype around the guy. How could he possibly live up to it?

Ahh, bummer. Well, good thing that "there's always next year", lol.

With this post, I am admittedly going to go way outside my area of expertise – and I know that that happens a lot. Anyway…here is how I would think if I were charged with running the Browns 2012 draft. Note: I am assuming that we sign no “high profile” FAs and get some mid-tier, experienced guys to help along the way.

This will be very, very light on naming the player I would draft and is based on what I perceive as the quality and quantity I am hearing of in this draft.

This draft appears to be light at LB & S. I only really know of the Alabama duo, Z Brown, & Burfect at LB and am seeing zero at S. It’s unfortunate for us because we have glaring needs here.

I think we are set – or believe we are set-enough – at TE.

I think Hillis is a perfect NCO TB/FB type guy. I don’t think he is a 350 carry guy and we don’t need that kind of guy anyway. I am not giving up on Hardesty but am leery. I expect Jackson to return and round out the RBs – which is what we thought we had at the beginning of this year.

I don’t want any QB not named Luck. I don’t even really want him given the present state of our offense.

That said…

I am focused on DE, CB, WR, & OL – not necessarily in that order – with my first 4 picks. I am concerned/excited about the breath and depth of this year’s draft, I am thinking about what is projected for the 2013 draft, and understand the concept/fallacy of draft value.

Rd 1

I am highly unlikely to take OL with our first pick…simply because that should be a LT and we have one of those already. So I am looking at DE, CB, & WR. I think Blackmon is gone before our pick and the other options – while good – are not worthy of such an early pick…so I am down to DE & CB. I am torn here…I do not think that we can make a bad choice…I would seriously consider a trade down if Blackmon isn’t there. I would not trade out of the top 10. (Willie’s pick = DE…think Coples)

Pick 1B won’t be quite as valuable as pick 1A. I don’t know what DE I would consider here as the best may be gone at this pick. However, I think a very good WR and/or CB will still be on the board. (Willie’s pick = WR…think Floyd or Jeffries)

Rd 2

Given that this is an early pick, I am likely to fill out whatever I did not get in round 1 from the “big 3” needs of WR, CB, DE. If a guy like Monte Ball is on the board…or one of the “best" LBs…I could be convinced to take him. Unlikely though. In the end, I expect that we will have picked WR, CB, & DE through this pick. (Willie’s pick = CB…think Minnifield)

At this point, I am thinking that we definitely trade down from 1A. If we do so and get an additional pick in the top 45 or so…we could conceivably have filled WR, CB, DE, and a real RT.

Rd 3

I would not rule out another of the “big 3” positions here – especially if we do the trade down mentioned above. I would try to trade this pick with one of our fourths (and maybe a sixth and a six pack of Yuengling) and get back into the mid-to-late Rd 2.

This is an early 3rd so it has value to another team and to us. If I have 5 picks of the first 60 I will do the nanner dance.

Whether I use or trade this pick, I have probably not drafted a RB/LB/S up to this pick…and probably look to do so unless there is another of the “big 3” that I really like. (Willie’s pick = RT think ???)

Rd 4-7

I’m going to get a G(s) and a LB(s)…even if I picked one or both earlier. I am probably not going to pick a CB (if I got one earlier because we have a lot of promising young guys now) and might consider a S (probably not though because the whole draft looks weak here).

I will not take a QB here - as we have Lewis - nor a RB because we can use Obi or Smith if we feel that we must have a 4th guy there. I am not going to grab a TE unless Watson is done and there is a guy we think is a no brainer. I’d consider a WR – even if we got one earlier – if we have given up hope on Mitchell.

Dream scenario:

We trade 1A for still-a-top10 pick overall and a 2nd Rounder (this year) and get a six pack of Yuengling for next year. We keep our 1B and our own 2nd. We trade our 3rd and whatever to get another 2nd. That’s (5) of the first 64…and four of them could be starters in 2012. (WR, DE, CB, OL plus an unexpected bonus 5th guy)

Hey…it could happen.

I’d be grateful if someone wanted to take that framework and plug in the names of the actual guy that would fit. I’m no where near a “draft guy” so I would appreciate the help if one were so inclined.

To make that easier:

Stick with the picks we have and assume no trades

Make sure we take WR, CB, DE, and OL in the mix of our first four picks - not necessarily in that order

Go as far into the draft as you want

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get a six pack of Yuengling for next year.

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Why wait tell next year ... There's no time better then the present.
"Nice driveway"

Kidding aside ... Well thought out post Willie.

Very nice post. I agree with a lot of what you said.

1A DE Coples
1B CB Dennard
2 WR D.Jones or WR K.Wright
3 RT Adcock

or

CB Claiborn or Kirkpatrick
OT Martin
WR Jones or Wright
DE Branch

ranges:

1A DE Coples, CB Claiborn, WR Blackmon, CB kirkpatrick
1B CB Dennard, 1 of top 3 OT Reiff, Martin, Kalil if they drop (not a fan of Floyd, unsure about Jeffery)
2 WR Wright, WR Jones, DE Ingram, CB Hosley, CB Gilmore, CB Minnifield
3 RT Adcock, CB Judie, CB Banks, DE Curry, DE Branch, RT Datko

You can cross Coples off your draft board for the Browns.

He doesn't fit what Heckert likes in a RDE. There is a 0% chance he's our pick.

Just a draft question for anyone .....

Where is Monte Ball expected to go? I hear a lot of talk about certain players, but almost none about him. I think that he's just a junior ... but still, after the kind of year he's had I would expect to hear more about him in the draft mix.

i've seen mid-to-late 1st round for Ball. could fall to early 2nd.

Care to elaborate?

Because he's too big compared to those drafted in Philly? He's drafting for a AFC North team now and he's seeing us getting run over

I've seen a few mocks with us taking him in the second.

I'd imagine his status will hinge on where Richardson goes.

And if Lamar Smith from the U comes out. He is a redshirt sophomore and hasn't announced if he will be returning to Miami or turning pro.

At this point, I can't even imagine Coples going in the top ten. He has been beyond awful this year.

1. Heckert has had many interviews about the ideal ends in the 43. Coples is exactly the opposite of his ideal.
2. You don't solve your running problems by getting a run stuffing week side DE.

If we could get a QB and WR in the 1st, and Ball in the 2nd ......

Whoa, talk about instant offensive turnaround.

Just a general thought.

There is now a tailgat lot forum, which I don't know for sure What goes in.

There is a pure football forum, which I don't know for sure What could go in.

There is now an " everything else" forum which I think anything could be moved to.

There is still not a " roster " forum, or " Draft" forum, or a " Roster,and Draft" forum. Which I think 50% of everything all year could go in.

and Zach Brown

Coples is basically a carbon copy of Da'Quan Bowers minus some of the top end explosiveness that Bowers had on tape at Clemson. Coples is a fine DE prospect just not suited for RDE on our team.

Great question. I don't know what Jauron prefers although he's been quoted as saying that he prefers his RDE to be a little lighter and speedier than his LDE. He said that most offenses play right handed and you need to have a physically stronger DE on the strong side.

Jabaal Sheard is 6'2" 255lbs.

From what I know from Heckert he's looking for that sudden, quick athlete that can get upfield as fast as possible. If I were to point to a prospect that fits the bill on Heckert it would be Bruce Irvin, DE West Virginia in Round 3.

He's a quick twitch explosive guy who gets up the field in a hurry. He's 6'3 245 and would have to eat a few steaks to withstand being a RDE in the NFL but that's the type of guy to look for. A guy who can beat a capable NFL LT to the edge.

Brandon Jenkins, DE Florida State is another guy to look at as well. More of a top of the 2nd round type.

Nick Perry is the type of DE want

Yep. He's certainly one to consider as well. Probably a second rounder too.

NFL supplements Indy Combine with eight others
Posted on: December 8, 2011 5:53 pm


The NFL announced on Thursday it is creating eight regional combines to supplement the national Combine held annually in Indianpolis.

Per the league's announcement, the regional combines were created to specifically target three groups of potential players:

Players eligible for the 2012 draft not able to participate at the Indianapolis combine
Players with collegiate experience who want to gauge their pro potential
Players with some pro experience attempting to get back into the league

The first regional Combine will be held January 28 in Los Angeles. This is the only regional Combine on the west coast and the only one not held at an NFL facility.

The full regional combine schedule is:

Date


Location


Facility

January 28


Los Angeles, CA


Orange Coast College-Lebard Stadium

February 4


Houston


Methodist Training Center

February 11


Baltimore


Baltimore Ravens Training Facility

February 18


Tampa Bay


One Buccaneer Place

February 25


New York/New Jersey


Atlantic Health Jets Training Facility

March 3


Chicago


Halas Hall

March 10 & 11


Atlanta


Atlanta Falcons Training Facility

March 17


Cleveland


Cleveland Browns Training Facility

The new Combine workouts are designed to function as the Indianapolis event operates. Players will be measured and asked to perform all of the athletic tests -- like the bench press, vertical jump and 40-yard dash -- that occur in Indianpolis. The players who impress the most in the regional combines may then be invited to a newly created NFL Super Regional Combine to be held at Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan on March 30-31.

While the athletic tests are critical to prospects getting their names out there, some of the more underrated elements of the traditional combine will be more difficult to replicate. Teams rely on the extensive medical testing done at local hospitals while athletes attend the Indianapolis combine. Similarly, athletes are shuttled through team interviews in Indianapolis, making the entire process a well-organized, smoothly running event.

Legitimate pro scouts and NFL personnel will, of course, be on hand to make sure the regional combines go as planned. That said, don't expect to see general managers or head coaches parading about the sidelines at these events. Each team will be sent all of the information compiled during the regional workouts.

Every team is looking for the next great diamond in the rough. These combines are designed, in part, to aid in this process.

But with the draft less than a month after the Super Regional, most decision-makers will be focusing on who'll they be targeting in the first round not in the late rounds or undrafted free agency.

web page

Hmm.. thats kind of interesting. More info I guess.

my guess is more original content for the NLFN.

As of now

1. Indianapolis - Andrew Luck
2. Minnesota - Matt Kalis
3. St. Louis - Justin Blackmon
4. Washington - Matt Barkley
5. Carolina - Alshon Jeffrey
6. Jacksonville - Morris Claiborne
7. Miami - RG3

8. Cleveland - I can see us drafting Richardson.

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ust a general thought.

There is now a tailgat lot forum, which I don't know for sure What goes in.

There is a pure football forum, which I don't know for sure What could go in.

There is now an " everything else" forum which I think anything could be moved to.

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If you look at the Main Index each of the forums are described very well. There should be no confusion where a particular topic would fit.

I don't want an o-linemen with a high pick. They don't score TDs, which our offense needs. We really need WSH to beat MIN and MIA to beat BUF.

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I wish I knew whether Pinkston was being considered as a future RT.

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Pinkston started at LT for the Pitt Panthers for 3 years and now has a year experience playing guard which is probably the best OJT he could have gotten, to prepare him to move to RT.

Steinbach should be coming back to his guard spot, which should move Pinkston to RT, Imo. What the Browns do with Pashos is unknown, but he could be retained as depth for RT and OG.

If the Browns do move Pinkston to RT, it should free up our two first round picks to draft positions of need other than the offensive line. I could see the Browns using their 2nd round pick to draft one of the top OGs in this draft.

j/c

Manti Te'o not entering draft . . .