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Mourg,

Thanks for posting that but UGH at that draft.

We trade DOWN when we need MORE top picks instead of less. Then we waste our 1st round pick on a RB?? I'm not saying Trent doesn't deserve a top pick...I'm saying I think it's stupid to ever draft a RB that early. The NFL isn't a RB league anymore. You get a stud QB with precise WR...then make sure you have a good OLine to protect/create holes...and you can plug just about anyone in at RB and be successful. Even if we let Hillis walk I don't want to see us take a RB before the 4th round at the EARLIEST. We have Jackson coming back. He was going to be a bigger part of our new offense than people thought and could very well be our starter next year IMO. Then we get Ogbonnaya...who has been our best RB in the WCO this whole year. Plus we can have a (hopefully) healthier Hardesty. If you don't want to bank on Hardesty then grab a RB in rounds 5/6/7/UDFA. Plenty of guys will be available there who will step in and perform just fine without wasting a top pick.

Then you have us taking a QB with our late 1st. I'm all for upgrading QB...but Jones or Tannehill? Just ugh. I want Luck. I'll settle for Barkley. If it isn't one of those 2, I'm not interested. Might as well roll with McCoy if all you're going to do is spend a pick getting someone else who will perform just as bad. I'd ACTUALLY prefer going with Seneca but that's a whole different thread.

I'm on board with you with a CB with our 2nd round pick. Love that idea.

Again, I'd love Adcock in the 3rd but I am starting to have serious doubts he'll be there. I'm hearing early 2nd to even possibly late 1st round for him now. Just very slim he falls all the way to the 3rd at this point....better find a different option there, thus why I mentioned Andrew Datko.

Then...our biggest weakness on this whole team (short of QB) is WR...and you don't have us taking one until the FOURTH round. We have plenty of depth/rotation guys. What we lack is a true #1 to push all the other guys down to their more natural spots. You don't find #1 WR's in the 4th round or later. Yes there are a handful of rare exceptions but you don't COUNT on that. We have to address WR much much earlier than that IMO...in fact the only way I DON'T go WR with one of our 1st round picks is if we trade them both to go up and get Luck.

This year has proven that you need a great RB. To name just a few:

Maurice Jones-Drew
Steven Jackson
Arian Foster
Chris Johnson
Marshawn Lynch (BEAST MODE!)
Darren McFadden
Frank Gore
Beanie Wells

and if you're feeling generous include Peyton Hillis.

btw...how many trips to the playoffs do they have combined in their careers? One thus far?

Just throwin it out there.

Might want to focus on the QB this offseason.

cmon man, you need to get a thicker skin here. we all get stuff right, we all get stuff wrong. we were discussing at length Gabbert and what people thought of him at draft-time last year, so I looked it up and posted.

no need for you to validate yourself with examples of guys you got right. it's okay.

jk - quick poll question: Of the following players which would you prefer we select with the Atlanta pick? Let's assume for argument sake we take a qb with our 1st pick to eliminate the need for well if we take Blackmon I wouldn't take another wr yada yada yada. Also please do not pick a player not listed. I specifically left the olinemen off the list because I am tired of that argument and I am seeking opinion on these particular players. Also assume for this question that we re-sign D'Quell but not Hillis.

Lamar Miller Rb Miami
Mohamed Sanu Wr Rutgers
Jeff Fuller Wr Texas A&M
Kendall Wright Wr Baylor
Jerel Worthy DT MSU
Marcus Fortson DT Miami
Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma
Bruce Irvin OB West Virginia
Chase Minniefield CB Virgina

Undoubtedly Kendall Wright. Some of those guys aren't even second-rounders.

I got a little carried away with the list. Deviated from what I inteded by adding some 2nd rd options and players at position of need.

Try this list:

Lamar Miller Rb Miami
Kendall Wright WR Baylor
Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
Dont'e Hightower LB Alabama
Chase Minniefield CB Virginia

I like Wright but we can get a pretty good Wr in the 2nd. Or a little speedster in the 4th or 5th. Is Can Wright be a #1?

I really like Miller. Today's game shows the importance of an effective running game. If we do/don't sign Hillis will really influence his value to us.

Our dline is Sheard, Rubin, Taylor and who? We need some pass rush from the DE opposite Sheard.

Minniefield would be last on that list for me. While we can use a upgrade at CB it is by far not our biggest area of need. I would prefer any of those other guys to Chase.

I like Miller, but I'm too anti-RB to take him in the first. I think Wright can be a No. 1. Kind of like a better Mike Wallace or Jeremy Maclin type.

I really don't like Hightower, especially in a 4-3 defense, and I like, but don't love Ingram. The Browns definitely need a DE, but I don't think he is the stud off the weak side they need.

Jags 4, us 5, bucs 6th... Only 3 teams with 4 wins.

Colts 1-13
Vikings 2-12
Rams 2-12
Jags 4-10
Browns 4-10
Bucs 4-10

I think I am trying to decide between Miller and Wright with the Atlanta pick and hoping Ingram is there with our 2nd rounder. Obviously If we take Richardson or Blackmon then that essentially eliminates one of these guys.

As for DE, do you see anybody else out there? I'm not buying into Coples with our 1st pick and doubt he is there with the Atlanta pick. Curry from Marshall with the 2nd round pick?I think that is high for him but he will be gone before the 3rd. Plus round 3 is where I am eying a RT. I think we can get some good value and talent taking a RT in round 3.

That really was a "perfect" sunday for us with us losing a useless coin toss game and MIA, CAR, WAS, KC, PHI, SEA and ARI winning...we "should" pick from 4 to 6 now, which means we can go after ANY QB we like....that's the good news today

Remaining schedules:

Colts (1-13)

- Houston
- @ Jacksonville

Rams (2-12)

- @ Pittsburgh
- San Francisco

Vikings (2-12)

- @ Washington
- Chicago

Jags (4-10)

- @ Tennessee
- Indianapolis

Browns (4-10)

- @ Baltimore
- Pittsburgh

Bucs (4-10)

- @ Carolina
- @ Atlanta

So with Indy winning today, the Jags game is at least interesting, in terms of draft scenarios.

If the Jags win, they drop behind Cleveland and Tampa. If they lose, St. Louis could jump Indy based on opponent winning %.

I would assume the best fit for the Rams is either Blackmon or Kalil, so they seem like a trade down candidate.

at DE I like Curry, Ingram or Branch...not sure about the JRs yet (Mercilus and Perry)...

late round guys from big schools I like are Bequette, Frank Alexander or Binns but they aren't 1st day starter material and are more rotational prospects with fringe starter upside

And I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility Minnesota takes those last two games. Washington has Good Rex/Bad Rex and the Bears have been an utter joke without Cutler. Karma's a you know what to the folks there questioning his toughness. I know the guys kind of an ass, but he's elite and got hurt making a tackle 60 yards downfield on an INT.

Indy beating Jax and maybe losing out on number one overall would make for a much more feasible trade-up if we end up sitting at number four.

j/c

I don't think there's any way possible that Blackmon gets past St. Louis or Jacksonville.

Nick Perry is fun to watch. He destroyed Stanfords o-line.

My opinion (subject to change) is that there is a top 4-5 in this draft: Luck, Barkley, Blackmon, Kalil, Claiborne. I'm still not sold on QB being the problem, but in general I'd be happy with any of those 5.

So clearly we will end up with the 6th overall pick - Doh!

Thanks DjB

So we have a Baltimore team that is going to be major ticked off after getting their clocks cleaned and then the Steelers who will be playing for the division...

We need Jax to beat the Colts and it would be nice if the Bucs beat Carolina.... The Vikings could win both and become a 4 win team, not sure where that would put them in relation to us though...

This Sunday's game worked out well.

We're out of the playoffs.
Entertaining game.
Improved draft position.

Good by me.

By the way....scenario wise.

What if the Rams end up with the number 1 pick?

I assume they would take a 3 first rounders offer and I'm fine with that.

What if they think that they cannot pass on Andrew Luck?

Does Atlanta's pick get it done?

If so I'm in on that!

If Bradford became available for a trade I have a feeling we would probably be one of the first teams to inquire. Shurmer would probably be willing to send McCoy and Atlanta's first rounder for him. But only if the Rams got Luck. To trade for Luck would probably cost us both firsts this year and next year and probably another 2nd or 3rd (Luck is going to break the bank if traded).

Todays loss definately puts us in play for Barkley if we so choose.

Get me Barkley or RG3 with our highest pick then with Atlanta's pick get us the best WR still on the board. Preferably with some serious wheels.

The colt/jag game is very interesting. the colts have been tanking the entire season almost intentionally. Do the rams jump them for the number one?? I can't find an up to date list of strength of schedules anywhere???? Would have to think the rams lose out the rest of the way. I don't see the vikes winning their last two as people are hoping, they could snag one game but Ponder is hurt and really lost at this point.

not sure that the Rams could conceivably trade Bradford without killing their cap. as you mentioned, Bradford is also due more money and is coming off a terrible year where he was also injured for a bunch of it.

the Rams might take a trade down where they can still get Kalil or Blackmon and move on.

I didnt think Leinart would even make in the NFL as a backup. No idea what anyone saw in Sanchez. Cassell was nothing, still aint much. Palmer was terrific until he injured his leg, never been the same.

I like Barkley. Love his accuracy, quick release, pocket presence, fantastic in the short to intermediate routes. The one area that was questioned coming into this season was his deep ball. All he did was come back this year and go from a horrible deep ball to drew Brees efficiency and accuracy on the deep ball. He doesnt have the great arm but he has a pretty good arm.

Miami has been wanting a star at QB, someone to put bodies in the seats. I would say RG3 will be their target. Kid has charisma along with a pretty good arm, and freakish athleticism. Fun to watch. I just think they are the team with the most pieces to the puzzle already in place and will be willing to give up more to get the QB they want.

They went out and got Brandon Marshall and Reggie bush. they want stars down there and RG3 just has the star power.

name another school that has had that many QBs starting in the NFL at one time.

I understand that you are trying to pull out how much is the USC system and how much is the QB, but USC has had a pretty good line of QBs compared to most. And, Barkely has been a starter since he got there (unlike Sanchez's 1 year or Cassel being a backup the whole time). He's much closer to Leinart or Palmer for their time there. And, there are still plenty of people in AZ who feel that Matt only failed because he didn't understand how to work yet (too much partying).

I agree on both accounts, DT.

RPG and a speeeeeeeeeeedy WR. in the first and then start looking at OL and DL line prospects in two and three ..

If RG3 comes out # 1 ... Talent evaluation by this Organization #2 ?

The way Norwood has played might make us go another direction (instead of drafting a slot guy).

Good think we moved ahead of Miami in draft order then.

With so many of the teams ahead of us recently having invested 1st round picks in QBs, it's hard to say who does what.

We have who ..... Indy, St Louis, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, and us ..... right? (and the 4-10 teams are not yet sorted out all the way)

Indy definitely goes Luck. I don't see any other scenario unless someone does a Ricky Williams Plus type deal. (like a whole draft plus a couple of extra #1s)

Lock Luck in at #1 ..... and write it down in solid black ink.
St Louis, Minnesota, Tampa and Jacksonville have all invested 1st round picks in QBs in the past 3 years.

Bradford has been hurt a lot. The Rams have to decide if they expect him to be a better QB with better talent around him. This year has been a train wreck for the Rams, with almost their entire receiving corp on IR, and now starting a guy who has been with the team for 10 days or so at QB because they have gotten everyone else beaten into submission. I think that they go either WR or OL.

Minnesota has Christian Ponder, and he has shown some good things, and struggled with others. They are scoring points, so I would think that look defense.

Tampa Bay has Freeman. he has struggled this year. However, just looking at his numbers, they don't look awful. (and I haven't seen him play this year) he is completing over 60% of his passes, is over 3000 yards, and is over 6.5 yards/pass attempt. He is not throwing TDs though, and is throwing INTs. It's like he has flipped those from his 1st 2 years. I would guess that Tampa stays the course with him, and tries to work out his problems.

Then we get to Jacksonville. Wow, this is an awful team. They could go anywhere on offense except RB and make a huge upgrade. 4th from the bottom of the league in pass attempts, yet 7th in sacks allowed. They have thrown for 1900 yards, and given back 300 in sacks. Gabbert really looks awful ..... and the Jags have surrounded him with awful. Sounds like a match made in hell to me. This could be a QB destination. They need someone to provide something in the passing game. They might go WR too. Or OL. I wouldn't write off RB either. They might decide to follow the Broncos' lead and run the crap out of the ball.

Anyway ..... right around here we get to the Browns. QB? Which one? Is there one left? Are there 2 left?

I would go RG3 if we have that option. Not prototypical size, but a nice NFL arm, plus accuracy, super intelligent, mobile, fast, solid mechanically from what I have seen. and he is a dynamic player used to playing under pressure. Sometimes you just have to roll the dice and take the big chance. This is where I would make that play.