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Uh, my argument is the same one you have made on here yourself. We are 31st in the NFL in pass plays against us and 2nd in the NFL in run plays against us for 2 reasons, one is that we can't stop the run and two is that teams are almost always playing with a lead and don't fear our offense.. the average defense gives up in the low 4s in rushing yards and the mid 7s in passing yards per attempt... it only stands to reason that if teams do not have to throw, then the average per play against you will be less. If you want to believe that our total defense is only a handful of spots behind the Ravens and the Steelers then you go right ahead believing that.. I do believe that our defense is farther along than our offense but then we have made a much greater investment in our defense over the last few years... MUCH GREATER... Oh and based on your statistic, the worst defense in the NFL is the Green Bay Packers... and near the bottom is the Saints...
...and this is why My Pops used to say, "Figures never lie, but a liar knows how to figure."
Now, this is not in any way meant to cast any poster who uses stats (in his posts) on this board as a liar... what it's meant to do is illuminate 2 things:
1. Stats that are drawn from the vacuum of mere numbers can be manipulated to support (or influence) any point-of-view.
2. Those same stats take on a completely different meaning when snatched from the 'vacuum of numbers,' and examined in the context of real-life situations.
I agree 100% with your explanation, DC. We have some fans who are absolutely giddy about the D pass-defense stat. I some ways, I can't blame them. We've been so starved of good play/press/numbers for so long, some will jump on a sun-bleached bone and enjoy it like it's a steak. In reality, the pass D numbers are skewed because teams KNOW hey don't need to pass against us to win.
I guarantee that if Heckert shores up our run D over the next offseason, our "top-5 pass D" ranking will drop (notice that I didn't say 'plummet'). As we get into more competitive games, teams will have to start passing against us, and the Browns pass D will start getting tested more often. It's my hope that such a thing actually DOES happen, because it means that teams will no longer be able to play a one-dimensional game and beat us.
Numbers are great... they can tell you some things about a team. But unless you're a statistician/NFL GM/football historian AND a play analyst all rolled into one, numbers will never tell the entire story.
The ultimate proof always has been found by watching the games.
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Looking at the table with directional runs, you can see that while teams have been able to run up the middle and to their left at will (our RDE - Mitchell mostly) they have not been able to run to their right (our LDE - Sheard).
part of that was Fujita, part of that was Sheard. good to have something positive though (still middle of the road NFL wise, but for our run defense that is actually good)
I agree ... I think Sheard has gotten a bad reputation as being week vs the run, because of our poor run defense overall, but I see him setting the corner
Well for the most part and he is taking on double teams (TE and RT) on many plays.
Taylor and our LBers have been too inconsistent in their gap discipline and filling the running lanes.
Sheard can set his corner, but the LBers and SS need to fill and tackle better.
I thought he would be selected somewhere close (in the same tier) as our 2nd round selection, but after watching him play and progress ... I would have been happy if he was our first pick.
He shows good lateral speed (better from the strong side) for a DE.
The last couple of games we have been going big up front (and contrary to Juron's style) using Brian Schaefering at RDE ... Basically playing with 3 DT's and yet we still can not dam the flood waters in the running game.
I think this is a demoralizing factor (to our defense) that we can't seem to get fixed.
Some of the problems I think can be contributed to youth, but with nearly 700 lbs of beef between Taylor and Rubin most of us thought that it should have been a bigger strength and it may still be in the future, but it simply is not at this point.
DQ has played pretty well at the Mike backer, but we are not keeping him as clean as we should be up front along with our OLBers who over pursue on most every play ... not so much on Fujita when he was in there (he simply can't get there fast enough).
Then you put us with our backs up against the goal line and we seem to play the run much better/stronger.
It's been a very perplexing thing to witness. 
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I think Sheard has gotten a bad reputation as being week vs the run, because of our poor run defense overall, but I see him setting the corner
Well for the most part and he is taking on double teams (TE and RT) on many plays.
It's entirely possible.....well Hell.......it's actually a foregone conclusion......that when a rookie gets a reputation for something right out of the gate, that reputation takes much longer to overcome than what would otherwise seem fair. Such is the way of first impressions. So it's no surprise that many would say he's been poor against the run where-as some of those people have lumped him in with a porous unit.
I've focused on him quite a bit this season since there hasn't been much point on watching the game for sheer pleasure. What I've seen truly is a guy who has struggled against the run out of the gate. That hasn't really changed as this season has progressed. However, that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who had actually seen him play at Pitt. I can't sit here and say that I spent hours watching him in college, hehe, but I did see him play a few times. More than anything, what we're seeing from him is exactly what was expressed in virtually every legit scouting report.
The long/short of Sheard is that he's a high motor guy who flies around and makes plays with his speed and athleticism, but is weaker against the run and doesn't have the size to naturally be able to hold his edge. The hope is that while he could rely on his speed and quickness to make plays at the collegiate level, the Browns are banking on Sheard becoming more physical in the pro's. As it stands right now, Sheard is the second coming of Kam Wimbley. While that would make many of us nervous because we all saw how Wimbley never became anything more than a one-trick pony as a rusher who couldn't hold the edge, we shouldn't get too worried because of Sheard's youth. Outside of Wimbley's four-sack performance against some nobody this year, he's produced three sacks in 11 games. That's hardly a nice return on what the Raiders invested in him. Sheard has a bigger frame than Wimbley, and thus he should be able to get a little stronger. Because of this, I have higher hopes for Sheard than I did for Wimbley.
He's clearly the outplaying Taylor, which is both good for Sheard, but bad for the Browns. Sheard is showing a very high motor and more than one rush move, which was where Wimbley became an ultimate failure. I'm not pleased with how poorly he does against the run right now, but this is the first time in his career where he isn't a man amongst boys. He's getting a taste of being shoved around, and he isn't liking it I'm sure.  If he puts on just a little more muscle, he's going to be much stronger against the run without losing any of that motor.
Yeah, he's a liability against the run, but I have a good feeling about Sheard. There's some real promise with this guy that I never saw with Wimbley. I certainly feel better about him than I do about Taylor at this point in the game, and think he's going to be a solid starter for us over the next six or seven years.
The truly sad part is that I haven't been able to say that about hardly any draftees in the last 13 seasons. I hope Sheard continues to give me reasons to be positive....for a change.
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Wait...I have argued in other threads that our D isn't as good as their stats....we're losing focus about what was the origin of my argument...it was an answer at your post about our D being as bad as Colt's Offense and anyone who has 2 functioning eyes and isn't deep in Colt's "camp" can see that our D is FAR better than our Offense....I know they aren't the 7th best D, they're at best AVG and I've pointed that out many times but that's far better than our below AVG to bad Offense
My point with the yds/play stat was exactly that...disproof of your biased stat, trying to make the D and its top players look as bad as Colt, in a twisted way to make Colt look better or not the only culprit (which NO ONE claims he is)...FAIL
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I've focused on him quite a bit this season since there hasn't been much point on watching the game for sheer pleasure.
I always do ... It's where it all starts.
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What I've seen truly is a guy who has struggled against the run out of the gate. That hasn't really changed as this season has progressed.
I do not agree... I will agree that he struggled in preseason and even to start the season, but I have seen a player who has been pretty stout vs the run ever since.
Sheard could do a better job at getting off of his blocks, but I have seen him set the corner/edge (his initial responsibility) pretty well for our LBers and he is making a lot of tackles for a DE.
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However, that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who had actually seen him play at Pitt. I can't sit here and say that I spent hours watching him in college, hehe, but I did see him play a few times. More than anything, what we're seeing from him is exactly what was expressed in virtually every legit scouting report.
If that is true then you should also know that they played him at DT a lot out of necessity his Senior year and still he made Big East DPOY.
<Sarcasm> Hmm, so they thought enough of him to move him inside because he was terrible stopping the run? </sarcasm>
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"Sheard compiled 52 tackles, 14.5 tackles for loss, nine sacks, four forced fumbles and a fumble recovery. He leads the Big East in forced fumbles (tied, 0.33 forced fumbles/game), ranks second in tackles for loss (tied, 1.21 TFLs/game) and is third in sacks (tied, 0.75 sacks/game). Nationally, he ranks fifth in forced fumbles and 21st in sacks..."
"11/01/11 - DE Jabaal Sheard is having a strong rookie season. Sheard moved to left end after the first game, and the move helped him. He has been stout against the run and consistent with his pass rush. After looking shaky in preseason, Sheard has been impressive."web page
I can't find one 'reputable' scouting report that supports your claims Toad ... And I do think that he has made strides vs the run since we moved him to the strong side.
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Taylor has been inconsistent and much of that is due to his lack of experience and understanding of what the OL is trying to do to him. He will learn when an OL is trying to influence him one way or the other. The DT position is a hard place to play as a rookie and he has shown some promise, but he will need to be more consistent going forward.
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I've said it a million times (well, maybe only 500,000), but the fans are frustrated with Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur because we've struggled since 1999, even though they've had nothing to do with anything before last year. Kind of like we should be mad at Jabaal Sheard and want him cut just because Kamerion Wimbley didn't pan out here.
And believe me, I'm just as frustrated (bordering on apathetic) as the rest of you. But, I'm not going to advocate firing guys just because we've sucked in the past. Heck, if this group of guys was in charge starting in 1999, and this was 2000, we'd probably all feel pretty good about it.
But, the fact is, they were dealing with some 1999 talent in 2010, and still are in 2011.
We all hate the rebuilding thing, but if we're going to get it right, it's going to take some time.
And this ties in with this thread. Sheard has talent, big-time. He's raw, yes, but he's impressive so far. This is the kind of player that we need, and if Heckert can continue bringing in guys like this, we're going to be competitive sooner rather than later.
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I've said it a million times (well, maybe only 500,000), but the fans are frustrated with Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur because we've struggled since 1999, even though they've had nothing to do with anything before last year. Kind of like we should be mad at Jabaal Sheard and want him cut just because Kamerion Wimbley didn't pan out here.
And believe me, I'm just as frustrated (bordering on apathetic) as the rest of you. But, I'm not going to advocate firing guys just because we've sucked in the past. Heck, if this group of guys was in charge starting in 1999, and this was 2000, we'd probably all feel pretty good about it.
But, the fact is, they were dealing with some 1999 talent in 2010, and still are in 2011.
We all hate the rebuilding thing, but if we're going to get it right, it's going to take some time.
And this ties in with this thread. Sheard has talent, big-time. He's raw, yes, but he's impressive so far. This is the kind of player that we need, and if Heckert can continue bringing in guys like this, we're going to be competitive sooner rather than later.
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Great post.
I too agree.
We all take on the sins of our fathers and in the case of our Browns.
This current FO takes on the burden of the history and sins of those who came before them, but if you can separate the present from the past, then I believe you can begin to see things in a very different light.
What compounds that is the fact that we have seen nearly every calvin of light under the sun already and I am as apathetic as the most of you, but I see no other coarse then to ride out this storm with the hope of calmer seas and brighter horizons.
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Sheard ready for return trip By Matt Florjancic, ClevelandBrowns.com Staff Writer Posted 14 hours ago Although he is an NFL rookie, defensive lineman Jabaal Sheard is no stranger to the Pittsburgh Steelers and Heinz Field. There’s no place like home. When the Browns take the field Thursday night against the Pittsburgh Steelers, it will be a homecoming of sorts for rookie defensive lineman Jabaal Sheard. Before he was drafted by the Browns back in April, Sheard starred at the University of Pittsburgh, who shares its home stadium, Heinz Field, with the Steelers. “It’s like playing in front of my home,” Sheard said. “It’s a second home. I went to school there for four years, got to know a lot of people. It’s going to be fun.” Although he enjoyed playing in front of the fans in Pittsburgh, Sheard is well aware of the rivalry between the Browns and Steelers. “Coming in, I found out a lot about it,” he said. “If I said anything about Pittsburgh, the fans would let me know that it’s not cool. I understand the rivalry. I played in a rivalry with West Virginia and this is just as close. That’s where you really get to show up. In games like this, it’s where you want to show up.” Sheard has shown up for the Browns and leads the team with 5.5 sacks for 46.5 lost yards. Each of his five solo sacks has resulted in a forced fumble. He is tied with Detroit’s Cliff Avril for the league lead in forced fumbles and ranks first among all Browns since 1999 in the same category. Sheard’s 5.5 sacks are tied for second in the league among all rookie defensive linemen and rank third in Browns history by first-year players. Having been around the Steelers organization, Sheard modeled his style of play after Akron native and Pittsburgh outside linebacker, James Harrison. “That would be great if he developed into that dominating of a player, but he’s having a terrific year,” defensive coordinator Dick Jauron said. “He’s certainly met our expectations and they were high and hopefully, he’ll continue to do it. There’s no reason to believe he won’t and we all believe -- and I’m sure that he does too -- that he’ll just keep getting better. He is instinctive. He’s very tough, competitive.” Shurmur added, “They play different positions, although they’re on the end of the line of scrimmage. Those linebackers at Pittsburgh are what make it; they’re very fine players and we all know what Harrison is as a disruptive force. We’d like (Sheard) to be that disruptive, for sure. I think Jabaal can be a very disruptive defensive end in this league, hopefully for a long time.” link
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Also Well said BrownsFan79, Very good points all around.
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Numbers are great... they can tell you some things about a team. But unless you're a statistician/NFL GM/football historian AND a play analyst all rolled into one, numbers will never tell the entire story.
Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination.
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Sorry, Fl, I'd meant on replying but got caught up in other threads man.
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I do not agree... I will agree that he struggled in preseason and even to start the season, but I have seen a player who has been pretty stout vs the run ever since.
Sheard could do a better job at getting off of his blocks, but I have seen him set the corner/edge (his initial responsibility) pretty well for our LBers and he is making a lot of tackles for a DE.
And in turn, I cannot agree with this. Even in the Pit game, on at least two occasions, I watched him pull a swim move on his blocker on obvious running plays, taking himself wide and out of position where he could help on the play. During these events, the rusher ran right through the hole vacated by Sheard's inability to take on the blocker. This is something he needs to improve upon as he enters his second year. Keep in mind I'm critical, but not lacking in faith, unlike Wimbley or the bums we've lined up opposite of Sheard this season.
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If that is true then you should also know that they played him at DT a lot out of necessity his Senior year and still he made Big East DPOY.
<Sarcasm> Hmm, so they thought enough of him to move him inside because he was terrible stopping the run? </sarcasm>
You do realize that these two statements are conflicting in nature, right? 
He made BE DPOY because of his numbers which were created by his athletic ability, not because he was an elite run-stuffer. I'm not going to harp on the point, but virtually all of the credible scouting reports of him coming out of college indicated he wasn't that strong against the run. His upside potential is based on his ability to get to the QB and his quickness to make plays in space. His lack of stoutness at the LOS was offset when drafted by the perception he can add strength and weight.
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I can't find one 'reputable' scouting report that supports your claims Toad ... And I do think that he has made strides vs the run since we moved him to the strong side.
You referenced NFL draft scout which stated Sheard is strong against the run. Regrettably, I can show references that state McCoy has had a decent season, hehe. These rags don't watch the games, just as announcers don't watch all the games. They look at stats and make comments based on those, which was why Andra Davis got so much positive press, in spite of the fact he made all his numbers seven yards down field.
I'd also note that when we're as bad as we are against the run, it takes all four starters on the line for that to happen.
We can disagree on his merits against the run, but most folks who rewatch these games and focus on him would note he's almost always often neutralized by a single blocker. His contributions have been with his speed and quickness, just like Wimbley before him, but the stats don't reflect his lack of proficiency against the run. This is something he has to get better at.
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I agree, ive seen many plays where Sheard didn't maintain gap control, swam to the outside edge of the tackle and wasn't in position to stop the runner.. but now that runner is running inside with a FREE tackle on a linebacker. I think Sheard can correct this, and hey at least he CAN get penetration... so it's not all bad; I see what you're talking about Toad
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And in turn, I cannot agree with this. Even in the Pit game, on at least two occasions, I watched him pull a swim move on his blocker on obvious running plays, taking himself wide and out of position where he could help on the play. During these events, the rusher ran right through the hole vacated by Sheard's inability to take on the blocker. This is something he needs to improve upon as he enters his second year. Keep in mind I'm critical, but not lacking in faith, unlike Wimbley or the bums we've lined up opposite of Sheard this season.
Thanks for your reply.
I never said he was perfect and did not have room to grow.
Based on his experience I think he has done a good job vs the run.
I can't comment on the specific plays you mentioned and also how can we know what defense we where in (run or pass)? On those plays.
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He made BE DPOY because of his numbers which were created by his athletic ability, not because he was an elite run-stuffer. I'm not going to harp on the point, but virtually all of the credible scouting reports of him coming out of college indicated he wasn't that strong against the run. His upside potential is based on his ability to get to the QB and his quickness to make plays in space. His lack of stoutness at the LOS was offset when drafted by the perception he can add strength and weight.
I don't see how that statement can be conflicting? If he was so bad vs the run, I can't see him being used at DT.
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If that is true then you should also know that they played him at DT a lot out of necessity his Senior year and still he made Big East DPOY.
<Sarcasm> Hmm, so they thought enough of him to move him inside because he was terrible stopping the run? </sarcasm>
FL, just for the record man, I wasn't getting on you or being snarky (I mean, afterall, I'm not capable of such things!  )  I was just pointing out that said quote was contradictory in nature. The statement suggests they were forced to move him to DT for reasons beyond their control and not because they really wanted to move him there, but the next sentence says they decided he was good enough to move inside because he was good against the run. The contradiction is about choice. First sentence says they didn't have any, second one says the did.
That's all it was man.
So just to set the record straight, I'm not down on Sheard. I see far more potential in him than I ever did in the one-trick pony named Wimbley, who is flat-out stealing money from the Raiders, by the way. I'm critical only because it's my opinion of what he still needs to develop if he's going to be a quality starter for us going forward. I love his athletic ability and quickness, and I think he can add another 5-10 pounds and become adequate against the run. He's a rookie who has gotten away with being a man amongst boys in college, where he could just run around guys to make stops. In the NFL, TE's block as well as most of the linemen he faced just a year ago. If he is just adequate against the run, as-in learning to actually man-up his guy and not try to swim or duck his way around him, he's going to be a quality starter.
I have less confidence in Taylor right now. No 335 pound man should be absolutely blasted out of his gap responsibility as much as what I've seen this year. He and Rubin haven't done nearly as well as I'd have hoped.
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I think Sheard has gotten a bad reputation as being week vs the run, because of our poor run defense overall, but I see him setting the corner
Well for the most part and he is taking on double teams (TE and RT) on many plays.
It's entirely possible.....well Hell.......it's actually a foregone conclusion......that when a rookie gets a reputation for something right out of the gate, that reputation takes much longer to overcome than what would otherwise seem fair. Such is the way of first impressions. So it's no surprise that many would say he's been poor against the run where-as some of those people have lumped him in with a porous unit.
I've focused on him quite a bit this season since there hasn't been much point on watching the game for sheer pleasure. What I've seen truly is a guy who has struggled against the run out of the gate. That hasn't really changed as this season has progressed. However, that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who had actually seen him play at Pitt. I can't sit here and say that I spent hours watching him in college, hehe, but I did see him play a few times. More than anything, what we're seeing from him is exactly what was expressed in virtually every legit scouting report.
The long/short of Sheard is that he's a high motor guy who flies around and makes plays with his speed and athleticism, but is weaker against the run and doesn't have the size to naturally be able to hold his edge. The hope is that while he could rely on his speed and quickness to make plays at the collegiate level, the Browns are banking on Sheard becoming more physical in the pro's. As it stands right now, Sheard is the second coming of Kam Wimbley. While that would make many of us nervous because we all saw how Wimbley never became anything more than a one-trick pony as a rusher who couldn't hold the edge, we shouldn't get too worried because of Sheard's youth. Outside of Wimbley's four-sack performance against some nobody this year, he's produced three sacks in 11 games. That's hardly a nice return on what the Raiders invested in him. Sheard has a bigger frame than Wimbley, and thus he should be able to get a little stronger. Because of this, I have higher hopes for Sheard than I did for Wimbley.
He's clearly the outplaying Taylor, which is both good for Sheard, but bad for the Browns. Sheard is showing a very high motor and more than one rush move, which was where Wimbley became an ultimate failure. I'm not pleased with how poorly he does against the run right now, but this is the first time in his career where he isn't a man amongst boys. He's getting a taste of being shoved around, and he isn't liking it I'm sure. If he puts on just a little more muscle, he's going to be much stronger against the run without losing any of that motor.
Yeah, he's a liability against the run, but I have a good feeling about Sheard. There's some real promise with this guy that I never saw with Wimbley. I certainly feel better about him than I do about Taylor at this point in the game, and think he's going to be a solid starter for us over the next six or seven years.
The truly sad part is that I haven't been able to say that about hardly any draftees in the last 13 seasons. I hope Sheard continues to give me reasons to be positive....for a change.
"the Ultimate failure" Wimbley had 11 sacks after leaving the browns. Nice try yet i will give you half right as he seemed to have only one move yet that resulted in more sacks than the other dlineman we had. Always making new holes.
How bout the GM pronouncement that "Mitchell was the best DE on the roster and mangini let him sit".
Wow, Mitchell sure is tearing it up THIS year.
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I've no qualms with blasting Heckert for Mitchell. I've said the guy was a bum from day one.
As for Wimbley, he's nothing more than a pass-rush specialist who gets paid to play every down. He was that here, and he's that in Oakland. He had a four-sack game against a pathetic backup OT in KC, but beyond that, he's had 3 sacks this season. He is now what he's always been, which is inadequate.
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I've said it a million times (well, maybe only 500,000), but the fans are frustrated with Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur because we've struggled since 1999, even though they've had nothing to do with anything before last year. Kind of like we should be mad at Jabaal Sheard and want him cut just because Kamerion Wimbley didn't pan out here.
And believe me, I'm just as frustrated (bordering on apathetic) as the rest of you. But, I'm not going to advocate firing guys just because we've sucked in the past. Heck, if this group of guys was in charge starting in 1999, and this was 2000, we'd probably all feel pretty good about it.
But, the fact is, they were dealing with some 1999 talent in 2010, and still are in 2011.
We all hate the rebuilding thing, but if we're going to get it right, it's going to take some time.
And this ties in with this thread. Sheard has talent, big-time. He's raw, yes, but he's impressive so far. This is the kind of player that we need, and if Heckert can continue bringing in guys like this, we're going to be competitive sooner rather than later.
JMHO
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Great post.
I too agree.
We all take on the sins of our fathers and in the case of our Browns.
This current FO takes on the burden of the history and sins of those who came before them, but if you can separate the present from the past, then I believe you can begin to see things in a very different light.
What compounds that is the fact that we have seen nearly every calvin of light under the sun already and I am as apathetic as the most of you, but I see no other coarse then to ride out this storm with the hope of calmer seas and brighter horizons.
Sorry i see the storm continues as we let a better Coach go for a worse coach, another rookie HC who has shown no improvement over the course of the season.
I see a year two under a team president and the team plays sloppy. tackles sloppy, blocks sloppy, makes sloppy play calls, does not utilize the talent well, let a top special teams coach walk and fills his position with a sloppy hire which has the domino effect of marginalizing cribbs even more than the rule change. That results in poor field position and eleiminates a weapon, yet this top flight braintrust will scapegoat cribbs as the fault in the loss of production.
I see a front office that sat on their hands in free agency and remember the catcalls when i said we would be lucky to win 4 games due to the fact the front office decided to whistle past the graveyard being razor thin in talent at key positions. I see delusional pronouncements about the fitness of the oline,wr ,fb, and rb positions in preseason by same front office.
I hear how our young QB is being "evaluated" with no blocking, crappy predictable schemes and play calling, poor usage of personnel, rarely passing downfield, unreliable wrs, no running game, a dumped top FB. I see how top coaches DECLINED
to be interviewed for the HC position and we hired yet another rookie HC, who shows absolutely NO LEADERSHIP and takes zero responsibility for what happens on the field.
I was very Hopeful for having Holmgren and wanted to believe his reputation as a top coach carried over to his job as a gm(he was fired from in Seattle and left that teams talent base in the crapper)in Cleveland. yet reality is saying he fired a better coach than he hired. The team may have taken a step forward with another good draft by herock it took three steps back at coaching.
Jabaal sheard was the subject my bad. had we made a solid offer to Roth before we let him walk( he did not want to play for jauron seemed to be the gist of what he seemed to allude to while saying he would' run through a wall" for ryan." Shearer could have freelanced and roth held the edge EXTREMELY well vs the Run, yet our sage front office let him walk with no offer. Hooha..we still stink defending the Run.
we are stuck in reverse.
year2 of Holmgren looks far more grim than year one. I would have hired rob Ryan as HC and got him a proper OC Coordinater. It is obvious Shurmer is NEITHER.
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had we made a solid offer to Roth before we let him walk( he did not want to play for jauron seemed to be the gist of what he seemed to allude to while saying he would' run through a wall" for ryan." Shearer could have freelanced and roth held the edge EXTREMELY well vs the Run, yet our sage front office let him walk with no offer.
How many times does it need to be pointed out to you that Roth wanted NOTHING to do with us before you let that one go?
Hell, the guy demanded a trade when he was here. When he came back to play against us a month ago, he openly stated that he was lying when he said that he wanted to play in a 4-3, and that the truth was, he just wanted to leave.
But, y'know, carry on ...
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If he is just adequate against the run, as-in learning to actually man-up his guy and not try to swim or duck his way around him, he's going to be a quality starter.
Some times that swim move = a big play or causing the QB to hurry his throw on a screen pass for example.
We have seen this too.
Sometimes it's not suitable for the defense called if it creates a running lane and you don't have a player assigned to fill it.
In order to properly grade any ones plays threw out the coarse of any game I think that you have to know the context of any given play (what play is called).
And no player grades out at 100% in any game.
With that said ... He has room to improve and an off season usually does wonders for rookies physically speaking.
I'm just happy to have Sheard on our team. One with very little to hang your hat on these days.
So much has been said about runs at him, but he has shown the ability to flatten out and make tackles down the LOS from the backside and it's been quite sometime since we had a DE with that kind of ability.
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