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Pursuing Flynn to the "max" is a no brainer IF the Browns are looking to upgrade the QB position.
I don't know how many teams will be looking for a QB, but if the Browns believe Flynn is a "franchise" quality QB, which yesterday's performance sure looked to be, Holmgren needs to open the vault.
I look at it this way...Flynn has been learning behind one of the best QBs in the NFL and coached by one of the best offensive coach staffs in the NFL...that puts Flynn "years" ahead of the college boys like Andrew Luck and RG3...when it comes to development.
...IF the Browns want to upgrade the QB position, opening the vault for Flynn would be a good move.
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I disagree ...... and want no part of Flynn ....... but if the Browns brain trust feels that he is the right QB for us, then I would hope that they make the right decision, but he looks like a Scott Mitchell to me. You might get 1 quality year out of him, if everything goes right ...... but then a bunch of sub par crap. .
I do wonder if a certain highly touted young man in Tampa Bay (Freeman) might become available if the Bucs fire their coaching staff.
He looks tailor made for the WCO. This year .... in an "off" year ......... he completed 81% of his passes behind the LOS .... almost 70% from 1-10 yards .... and 40+% from 11-20 and 21-30 yards. Heck, he was even 40% on 31-40 this year.
he would be entering his 4th season. He has the size and arm to succeed in the AFCN.
If the Bucs change coaching staffs and decide that they don't want Freeman, I would make a real big move for him. I would love to see him in Cleveland. I have no idea what their intentions are if they change staffs ..... but the idea of Freeman in Cleveland, maybe for Atlanta's pick, or a 2nd, is intriguing.
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I like Freeman as well, though I doubt Tampa makes a change there, new staff or not.
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I doubt they would too ...... but if they do .......
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I doubt they would too ...... but if they do .......
Like i said, i like him. You explore the possibilities.
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I disagree ...... and want no part of Flynn ....... but if the Browns brain trust feels that he is the right QB for us, then I would hope that they make the right decision, but he looks like a Scott Mitchell to me. You might get 1 quality year out of him, if everything goes right ...... but then a bunch of sub par crap. .
yt...since I'm the one that posted about Flynn, I'll respond to you...
...you have no idea if Flynn is the next Scott Mitchell or the next Aaron Rogers...you are simply throwing out comments without even thinking.
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...file this one under...NOT GONNA HAPPEN
Usually, when teams fire their coaching staff, they do not fire their young starting QB who had a decent year, even though though the team did not.
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More tailor made for the WCO than Flynn?...
Again, IF the Browns are looking to upgrade their QB position, opening the vault for Matt Flynn would be a "no-brainer".
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We better not get this guy!!
RG3 or stick w/ Colt.
That's how I'm feeling on it... I'm fine if we stick with Colt if RG3 is off the board... if not I really think we take RG3...... Flynn has looked good in one game a year for the last couple years... I would imagine someone is going to pick him up (Denver?) butI doubt it's us... we'll see...
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No Free Agent QB in their right mind would go to Denver. Plus Tebow is going to get every chance to succeed. They will not draft a QB or sign competition for Tebow until he falls flat on his face and the jersey sales drop.
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No Free Agent QB in their right mind would go to Denver. Plus Tebow is going to get every chance to succeed. They will not draft a QB or sign competition for Tebow until he falls flat on his face and the jersey sales drop.
whoever they bring in, they will pay a lot of money.. and that trumps jersey sales..
if I were a QB.. I would WANT to go there.. Tebow is an athlete playing QB.. not a true QB. I would feel confident enough to be able to beat him out and start.
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With that defense and running game why wouldn't a QB want to go there? I do think that Tebow will get one more year but if he doesn't vastily improve his throwing game next year then he'll be done at Denver... but I do think he'll get another year
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With that defense and running game why wouldn't a QB want to go there? I do think that Tebow will get one more year but if he doesn't vastily improve his throwing game next year then he'll be done at Denver... but I do think he'll get another year
Would Matt Flynn want go to Denver where he will be overshadowed by Tebow and Tebowmania?
...can you say, instant QB controversy?
Flynn will have some choices, but in Cleveland, he would walk right in as the #1 and no questions asked.
If I'm the Browns, I go after Flynn and his OC and/or QB coach, bringing the Green Bay offense with them, expanding on the offense started by Shurmur.
I doubt we see such an extensive change, but at the very least, Flynn would be my choice to fill the QB position... "IF" ...the Browns are looking to make a change at QB.
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...you have no idea if Flynn is the next Scott Mitchell or the next Aaron Rogers...you are simply throwing out comments without even thinking.
Neither do you.... you don't know either.
Hey,, Can't take it away from the kid, he played a hell of a game yesterday.. But I don't think that's enough of a body of work to pay big bucks too,, but someone will....,
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I've been high on Flynn, and thought he was the best option this side of Luck. I was really excited when he got the start yesterday. It was not a meaningless game for Detroit so it was real action as far as that is concerned. He played well. Yes, one game does not make a QB, but it does show what the packers have thought he could do. Look at it this way.... the pack have a superbowl quality team- if they did not trust Flynn don't you think they would have brought in a veteran backup??? No, they are high on Flynn. But there is no way they can keep him as a free agent.
I go after Flynn in FA. Keep Colt to develop- i might even concider drafting Tannehill if he drops. I part with Wallace, his recent comment just rubbed me the wrong way- he is not a team player.
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Flynn hardly played in college. He was a part time starter as a senior, and that's it.
At LSU he completed under 60% of his passes, started only a handful of games.
The "QB Predictor" that has been most successful says that a guy is most likely to be successful in the NFL if he completes over 60% of his passes, starts something like 30 games, and has a score of over 26 or above on the Wonderlic. It is amazing how well it has done over the past decade.
Flynn fails the 1st 2 tests, but he did get a 38 on the Wonderlic. I think that he will have trouble adjusting to being a starter, and as he is exposed, the team that signs him may find that they purchased fool's gold at a real gold price.
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Matt Schaub working out for the Texans was the worst thing to happen... Teams think they can get a star b/c a guy has a good game or two..
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And Houston has a ridiculous running game, a very good TE, and possibly the best WR in the game (or at least top 5).
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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...you have no idea if Flynn is the next Scott Mitchell or the next Aaron Rogers...you are simply throwing out comments without even thinking.
Neither do you.... you don't know either.
Hey,, Can't take it away from the kid, he played a hell of a game yesterday.. But I don't think that's enough of a body of work to pay big bucks too,, but someone will....,
I don't know man. What was the score??? GB had at or near 40 points against the Lions.
I don't want to hear about the Lions D....40 is 40 against a NFL defense.
I think the game proves much. It shows the guy is capable of moving his team if he has some people around him.
My thinking is changing....go for him and use the 2 first rounders on players who will help the O. I'll leave it to other to figure out who those two might be as i am not looking to debate about this guy or that guy....add a Blackmon or Richardson to the team, add a nice right side blocker to go with what we already have and we might score some points.
There is no question in my mind Colt held the O back.....improve that and we improve.
As for the money, who cares? It's not our money.
As long as the team can take the contract and fit it inside the cap, does it really matter what we pay him??
If people are looking for safe, with upside, then Flynn is the safest because even Luck has yet to produce 1 NFL point.
Seriously, go in to the draft not needing a QB and adding two plum players.....sounds like a plan to me.
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Yes he is.
An UFA with 2 starts as a pro, and very limited college experience.
Scary proposition if you ask me.
I'm glad he had a big game. Hopefully someone ahead of us will give him a huge contract. I hope that we don't.
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Flynn hardly played in college. He was a part time starter as a senior, and that's it.
At LSU he completed under 60% of his passes, started only a handful of games.
The "QB Predictor" that has been most successful says that a guy is most likely to be successful in the NFL if he completes over 60% of his passes, starts something like 30 games, and has a score of over 26 or above on the Wonderlic. It is amazing how well it has done over the past decade.
Flynn fails the 1st 2 tests, but he did get a 38 on the Wonderlic. I think that he will have trouble adjusting to being a starter, and as he is exposed, the team that signs him may find that they purchased fool's gold at a real gold price.
Sound like Kirk Cousins is the pick then..That's good because we can get him in the 3rd or 4th and focus the rest of the draft on the rest of the holes.
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Yes he is.
An UFA with 2 starts as a pro, and very limited college experience.
Scary proposition if you ask me.
I'm glad he had a big game. Hopefully someone ahead of us will give him a huge contract. I hope that we don't.
I don't know, he threw for 480 yesterday.
As for the contract, I don't worry about that.
Teams are going to have to offer up some big contracts to vets because the rookie scale hits this year.
We are going to be paying somebody the money.
Lets put it this way....I think Flynn is safer than any drafted player(QB)
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Kelly Holcomb threw for 429 yards and 3 TDs in the playoff game against the Steelers.
Fool's Gold.
I don't "know" that Flynn will flop, but the trends are not good. If I am betting, I bet that he turns out to be a below average starter.
We already have 2 of those, and both are cheaper than Flynn. While the salary doesn't impact fans, the wasted cap space can definitely impact the team.
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If people are looking for safe, with upside, then Flynn is the safest because even Luck has yet to produce 1 NFL point.
My problem is that I can think of only two FA backup QBs that ever turned out to be good. Schuab (and it took him awhile) and Matt Hasselback (who Mike Holmgren knew). Then there's Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel.
Kolb turned out to be garbage. And Cassel, he's been up and down since arriving at KC. Cassel started 15 games with the Patriots and finished the year with an 89 QB rating. He had a good year in 2010, but in 2009 and this year, he really hasn't been that good.
I trust our Front Office and I'll stand behind whatever they want to do. But I hope they don't feel pressure from the media/fans or whatever, to get Flynn because of his two games or to pick up Griffin because of his Heisman Performances.
If there isn't a good fix for the QB position out there, don't change anything. Stick with McCoy and Seneca, improve our offense and defense through the draft and Free Agency. If we can use two high picks on offensive players in the Draft while also getting a defensive end, we'll be pretty good. I'd also like to find a WLB or ILB in FA to shore up our linebacking core. I'm also thinking we try to get a FA wide receiver like Robert Meachem to pair with Greg Little
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A 38 on the Wonderlic and a few years as Rodgers' understudy could be perfect prep. Tom Brady was barely a starter in college. The key attributes, after requisite size and arm strength, are being able to read defenses and go through progressions.
I'd love to plug this dude in, draft Kalil and Floyd in Round 1 and then bolster the defense.
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I was curious about Flynn so I looked up some scouting from the 2008 draft. There wasn't a lot there, mostly because Flynn wasn't in most guys' top 10. Anyway, here's a few blurbs on Flynn, pre-2008 draft:
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Matt Flynn 6'2 231 LSU 4.79
By: Robert Davis
Flynn has waited for his chance to shine at LSU, and it has finally come as a senior. Up until this point, he has just been a backup to last years #1 overall pick, JaMarcus Russell. In his only extended playing time in 2005, Flynn threw for 457 yards and seven touchdowns while completing over 56% of his passes to go along with one interception. Flynn took over for JaMarcus Russell this season, throwing for 2,233 yards, while completing over 55% of his passes for 17 TD’s and ten picks.
Flynn is an intelligent, accurate passer. He is efficient and is confident in his ability to lead the offense. He does not force passes and is good at taking what the defense gives him. He is a good athlete that shows the ability to elude the rush and buy more time to throw the football, along with the ability to pick up some yardage once plays break down.
There is not anything about his game physically that stands out. Flynn has decent size, but his arm and overall athletic ability are only average. He is mobile but he is not going to pick up big chunks of yardage or strike fear in defenses. As a passer, he lacks the arm to thread the needle and will not carry an offense on his shoulders.
Flynn is tough and has the intangibles you want in a quarterback, but he is only average across the board physically. He could potentially develop into a quality backup quarterback because of his intelligence, but his potential may be limited at the next level.
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Matt Flynn, LSU
Height: 6-2. Weight: 229.
Projected 40 Time: 4.62.
Combine 40 Time: 4.71.
Hand Size: 9 1/4.
Projected Round: 6-7.
Inconsistent is Matt Flynn's middle name. Sure, he won the national title in 2007, but there were some games where he dazzled everyone with his ineptness. Other weeks, he was brilliant.
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12. Matt Flynn, QB LSU
A total gamer who has a great arm and good running skills. He's a fantastic leader and a winner who'll do whatever it takes to get a team moving. However, he needs work and he isn't a consistent NFL-caliber passer. Smart enough to be a career backup, he'll make a lot of money bouncing around the league for ten years.
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Flynn hardly played in college. He was a part time starter as a senior, and that's it.
At LSU he completed under 60% of his passes, started only a handful of games.
The "QB Predictor" that has been most successful says that a guy is most likely to be successful in the NFL if he completes over 60% of his passes, starts something like 30 games, and has a score of over 26 or above on the Wonderlic. It is amazing how well it has done over the past decade.
Flynn fails the 1st 2 tests, but he did get a 38 on the Wonderlic. I think that he will have trouble adjusting to being a starter, and as he is exposed, the team that signs him may find that they purchased fool's gold at a real gold price.
Sound like Kirk Cousins is the pick then..That's good because we can get him in the 3rd or 4th and focus the rest of the draft on the rest of the holes.
RGIII will pass all of those tests with flying colors and has a great arm to boot. I know a lot of people hear about how he is such a great runner and panic, but the guy is one of the better QB prospects that have come out in quite some time. He was great the minute he stepped on the field at Baylor. His passing game is fantastic and combines it with world class sprinter speed.
There is no doubt in my mind who should be our QB in 2012. And I'm not talk about Matt Flynn, who is a nice enough back up but not good enough to win a title in the NFL. RGIII could do that, IMO.
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I agree with you 100%.
I think that RG3 is going to be a really special NFL talent.
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It worries me that some people look at Griffin and see a Cam Newton or Michael Vick, and just as many others see an Andre Ware, Troy Smith, or - dare I say? - Seneca Wallace. Questions about his size, relatively low release, inexperience in a pro style offense, and level of competition he faced have to be considered. Also to be considered ... will Shurmur and his so-called offense help Griffin's development or doom him?
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It worries me that people compare RG3 to Mike Vick and see that as a selling point.
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It worries me that people compare RG3 to Mike Vick and see that as a selling point.
minus his PAST off the field issues.. you wouldnt want him? I would take him in a heart beat.
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Vick? He's an athletic freak who is always injured and his teams have never done much of anything. Plus, he didn't learn how to actually be a QB until two years ago.
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Vick? He's an athletic freak who is always injured and his teams have never done much of anything. Plus, he didn't learn how to actually be a QB until two years ago.
u didnt answer the question.
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Ok. Regardless of his off-field issues, I would not want Mike Vick. I figured that was apparent but I guess it wasn't.
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The Packers game today was Flynn's interview for all NFL teams interested.
thoughts?
No the Packers game today was not Flynn's interview, unless you're going to look at it with Flynn colored glasses and think a 6 touchdown game, Oh great, we gotta get this guy, he did it here, he's going to do it all the time.
Hey didn't the Browns offense look really good against the Detroit lions in 2010? Oh yeah it looked Freaking GREAT! the BROWNS OFFENSE, in a loss to Detroit.
How does the Browns offense look every other week?
The idea of a Matt Flynn quarterbacked Browns offense is something I've only pondered for about 1 day now. The idea so far seems scary, like more punishment of watching losses.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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The Packers game today was Flynn's interview for all NFL teams interested.
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No the Packers game today was not Flynn's interview, unless you're going to look at it with Flynn colored glasses and think a 6 touchdown game, Oh great, we gotta get this guy, he did it here, he's going to do it all the time.
Hey didn't the Browns offense look really good against the Detroit lions in 2010? Oh yeah it looked Freaking GREAT! the BROWNS OFFENSE, in a loss to Detroit.
How does the Browns offense look every other week?
The idea of a Matt Flynn quarterbacked Browns offense is something I've only pondered for about 1 day now. The idea so far seems scary, like more punishment of watching losses.
Plug in the Packers oline, running , great play calling, wrs, top TE and Flynn looks great vs Lions lousy Cbs. He didn't make any throws I thought McCoy could not.
Imagine Flynn behind our sieve Oline, lousy wrs doinking catches, limited ground game and horrifically obvious play calling and Flynn looks about like Senecaca.
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Plug in the Packers oline, running , great play calling, wrs, top TE and Flynn looks great vs Lions lousy Cbs. He didn't make any throws I thought McCoy could not.
Imagine Flynn behind our sieve Oline, lousy wrs doinking catches, limited ground game and horrifically obvious play calling and Flynn looks about like Senecaca.
Pretty Much Joe. You can also plug Seneca, McCoy or Bradford into Green Bay's Offense and People would be saying we got to get this guy..
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Hey didn't the Browns offense look really good against the Detroit lions in 2010?
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