He was, but only one year with Holmgren. Hasselbeck was drafted in '98, and Holmgren left at the end of that season to go to Seattle. He also spent that '98 season the Packers' practice squad.
Even though Holmgren has been gone from Green Bay he still has ties there. Ted Thompson, Green Bay's GM, worked with Holmgren while he was still in Green Bay. He then followed Holmgren to Seattle and was his Vice President of Football Operations. I'm sure if Holmgren wanted an honest opinion of Flynn he could get it from Thompson.
Do you who are Matt Flynn supporters truly think Matt Flynn is an Elite NFL QB?
The truth is bigdawg that no one can be 100% certain of that.
You do your homework and wish for the best, but you can't win a lottery if your do not purchase a ticket.
I know that's not a yes or no answer, sorry but that's the best I can give.
We are talking FA here and no Draft picks would be involved, so I think it comes down to what guaranteed money we are willing to risk or how heavily Incentive based the offer would be or what it will take to secure his services.
Luckily we as fans do not have to be concerned with the specifics.
I should think that most fans would be in favor of hedging our bets at the QB position. I personally lobbied for Hasselbeck prior to this season.
We don't have the first pick in the Draft and throwing everything but the kitchen sink into a trade to bring us what might cost (speculating that the Colts could be persuaded to trade the pick) us and have a strong influence on the team as a whole and tying our hands for the next couple of years.
If we bring in Flynn and Colt shows better for it and pushes him for the position. I fail to see the problem there.
You keep one and the other will fetch some draft picks down the road if they both progress.
Or neither do and your back to where we started and that is not having the most important position on the team locked down.
Quote: I'm sure if Holmgren wanted an honest opinion of Flynn he could get it from Thompson.
You'd like to think so, but these guys are still on opposing teams and competing.
Thompson lies, says Flynn is better than he is, and then we're giving up more for him (especially if he's franchised and GB tries to trade him ALA New England with Matt Cassel). If we're playing Green Bay next year, he might say Flynn is better or worse than he really is to persuade or dissuade us from getting him
While he probably is a Free Agent, I don't really trust any of that. As long as they're on opposing teams they still have separate loyalties
I didn't know much about Thompson until I heard him on Peter King's podcast. After hearing him talk about his faith and how it plays a huge role in his work I don't think he is the type of person who would lie about a player, especially to a former friend/mentor like Holmgren.
Also on a side note, we play the NFC East next year.
Quote: I'm sure if Holmgren wanted an honest opinion of Flynn he could get it from Thompson.
You'd like to think so, but these guys are still on opposing teams and competing.
Thompson lies, says Flynn is better than he is, and then we're giving up more for him (especially if he's franchised and GB tries to trade him ALA New England with Matt Cassel). If we're playing Green Bay next year, he might say Flynn is better or worse than he really is to persuade or dissuade us from getting him
While he probably is a Free Agent, I don't really trust any of that. As long as they're on opposing teams they still have separate loyalties
That's easy to speculate, but if they are truly friends, then out of respect for that friendship, I can't see one blowing smoke up the others where the sun never shines. We are talking about two professional adults here and it's not like they are in the same division or better yet the same conference. I think that the opinion would be genuine if not the one that Holmgren would not like to hear, I should think it would be an honest one.
I don't think anyone's saying that its not an aberration. Clearly, no QB in the NFL is going to put up numbers anywhere close to Flynn's numbers yesterday on a consistent basis. What it does show is that, with the right weapons around him, he can be very successful.
I also think you're underrating our 2007 offense. We had the NFL's best offensive line. A #1 WR who, in that season at least, looked like one of the best WRs in the NFL. A 3rd down/possession receiver who literally caught everything thrown his way. Ditto that for one of our TEs, and our other TE was a great blocker with pretty excellent hands himself. Oh yeah, we had a HoF RB too. Our offense also had consistently good field position courtesy of the NFL's best kickoff returner at the time.
In 1989, we beat the living hell out of the Pittsburgh Steelers, 51-0 with a shiny, brand new head coach, Bud Carson.
In 1990, we had Jim Shofner take over after Carson was fired ...............
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I agree with everything you say about our '07 offense. That was one fun year to be a Browns fan.The injuries in the preseason of '08 hurt us bad and then QB's started going down like flies. It caused another rebuild/tear down and it was a big shame considering what caused it. I think they could have come back in '09 and been the '07 team all over again.
I guess all I'm saying about Flynn is that with very little book on him many are sky high on the possibility of bringing him here. Yes, he's done well for what we've seen. But it's not like there's a lot go on.
I agree, but how often is there much to go on for any quarterback, other than a bad quarterback? It's rare that a known good QB hits the market, and if it does happen its because the team letting him go has someone better.
Like FL said, you can't win the lottery if you don't buy the ticket. I look at this like buying a ticket where someone already told you what 1 or 2 of the numbers are.
Quote: In 1989, we beat the living hell out of the Pittsburgh Steelers, 51-0 with a shiny, brand new head coach, Bud Carson.
In 1990, we had Jim Shofner take over after Carson was fired ...............
Not sure what your point is but that was one hell of a fun game.
I watched that game with my dad who was confined to his bed. We laughed longer and harder during that game then I can remember for many years prior. Officially, they called it a fumble return but Clay Mathews TOOK that ball out of Bubby Brister's hands and ran it in. Another defender had two touchdowns.
It might be the best bet to go with Flynn, draft Blackmon, get another stud in free agency and draft BPA with every pick... If we re-signed Hillis and brought back a healthy Steinbach we could look like a completely different team next year.
My point is that we get these aberrations all the time in the NFL, and you have to be careful when a guy has a spectacular, amazing, sensational "breakout" performance early in his career ....... without any real underlying foundation to explain how and why he did so.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: He's started two games in the NFL. Obviously he's not an elite NFL QB right now.
I don't mean he'll be one as soon as they sign, but do you or anyone who wants Flynn really believe this is the guy to lead us to a Super Bowl?
I see no reason to think that he couldn't be the starting QB on a Super Bowl-winning team.
If you're trying to get me to say that signing Matt Flynn means that the Browns will win a Super Bowl, I'm not going to do that. Then again, I wouldn't say that about any quarterback in the NFL.
I'm not trying to trick you into saying anything, it's just that backups behind studs who look awesome frequently do not do well once they become starters. Very few actually turn out to be anything of value once they become a starter.
I'd rather pay my money to a guy that I believe is going to lead us to a Super Bowl. I think it's more likely that we find that guy through the draft than through free agency. But I trust Heckert to make the right decision.
Quote: My point is that we get these aberrations all the time in the NFL, and you have to be careful when a guy has a spectacular, amazing, sensational "breakout" performance early in his career ....... without any real underlying foundation to explain how and why he did so.
He sat on the bench for four years behind Rodgers and learned. Seems like a pretty decent foundation to me.
Quote: My point is that we get these aberrations all the time in the NFL, and you have to be careful when a guy has a spectacular, amazing, sensational "breakout" performance early in his career ....... without any real underlying foundation to explain how and why he did so.
He sat on the bench for four years behind Rodgers and learned. Seems like a pretty decent foundation to me.
Sitting on a bench behind a really good QB doesn't mean anything, or else Painter would be leading the Colts to the playoffs right now.
Like often in figuring averages, you eliminate the highest and lowest figure and use the rest to calculate the average because the highest and lowest are often aberrations.
Quote: And a qb winning the Heisman means 75% of the time you're going to suck holes in the floor in the nfl.
So you're point is?
My point is that it's highly unlikely that Flynn is a franchise QB hiding behind a franchise QB. More than likely, he's a talented, middle of the road QB who could be average for us and give us false hope of someday winning a title but never reaching there.
I don't think Matt Flynn is the answer to the franchise QB problem. I think you have a better chance of answering that with Griffin, who has a chance to be truly special than you do with Flynn, who is more than likely "just" a good QB.
Why, Rodgers was hiding (as you put it) behind Favre, I'd say they went from franchise qb to franchise qb seemlessly enough. So it's not like it can't happen. Just like it might happen that RG3 will be good, I'm not betting on it but it might happen.
after this game and the success Schaub has had...do you guys really think some team will "only" have to sign Flynn? GB will protect him with some kind of tag (not sure about new CBA rules on this though) and will try to get some pick(s) for Flynn....I suspect Flynn costs more than just money
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Quote: Why, Rodgers was hiding (as you put it) behind Favre, I'd say they went from franchise qb to franchise qb seemlessly enough. So it's not like it can't happen. Just like it might happen that RG3 will be good, I'm not betting on it but it might happen.
Rodgers was a 1st round QB. Flynn is a former late round QB that had some questioned if he would ever have the NFL arm. Providing one game against a pretty bad pass defense does not help me make a decision one way or the other.
Kelly Holcomb once had a 400 yard passing game against the Steelers. I'm not big into stats for backups who play one game and light the world on fire.
Tag and trade has been pretty common before the new CBA...unless there is some new specific stuff in the new version I don't see why they should NOT do it....I mean, the market for QB is dry after Barkley announced to stay....there are clearly more QB needy teams than acceptable options out there
I'm not saying that GB will get a high pick...but they can get something if there are a couple or more teams interested in Flynn
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Quote: My point is that we get these aberrations all the time in the NFL, and you have to be careful when a guy has a spectacular, amazing, sensational "breakout" performance early in his career ....... without any real underlying foundation to explain how and why he did so.
And on some rare occasions that just what a player needed ... An opportunity.
My instincts here are that this probably was no fluke. His game last year (a loss) he almost brought them back for the win and every time I have had a chance to see him (including the preseason twice) he looked to have complete control of his offense and he made plays that required him to extend the play as well as executing the plays that where there. It sure helps to have weapons and be on the same page as well, but with that said.....
Flynn certainly has the makings for intriguing speculation on our behalf.
Quote: Why, Rodgers was hiding (as you put it) behind Favre, I'd say they went from franchise qb to franchise qb seemlessly enough. So it's not like it can't happen. Just like it might happen that RG3 will be good, I'm not betting on it but it might happen.
Rodgers was a 1st round QB. Flynn is a former late round QB that had some questioned if he would ever have the NFL arm. Providing one game against a pretty bad pass defense does not help me make a decision one way or the other.
Kelly Holcomb once had a 400 yard passing game against the Steelers. I'm not big into stats for backups who play one game and light the world on fire.
People were high on Flynn before his big game, then he comes out with everyone watching and sets team records. I don't care who it is against, that was still amazing.
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