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I think the most they can do is to tag him and then at least match what someone else has offered. They can't get picks.
I think that the most GB can hope for is a 7th round compensatory pick.
No team uses a tag on their #2 QB if they have other skilled position guys to keep in the fold.
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What happened to the 1st round and 1st&3rd tender offers? Are they gone? Only franchise tag left?
Nothing happened, they still apply if your are a 'RFA'
Flynn is going to be an UFA, so this does not apply in his case,
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Matt Flynn didn't just have a good game, he had the best game any Packers QB has EVER had.
Which just goes to show you that it was an aberration.
That's not taking anything away from Flynn who by all accounts is a fine quarterback.
But DA threw for 5 TD's, (more than Arron Rogers ever did), vs the bengals in '07 with much less a team than the 2011 Green Bay Packers.
I'm not so sure about Flynn. Sometimes on here folks jump on a "we gotta get this guy" simply because we got a guy we don't like.
Hmmm...could be a classic case of FlavorOfTheWeekitis. 
Boy, am I grateful that wasn't the Tim Tebow from a month ago out there against the Lions.
I'm not gonna say Flynn is a bum. I'm also not going to say Flynn is a future star. What I will say is that for anyone expecting to "break the bank" (Mac) on Flynn, they are making one HELLUVA gamble based on two games worth of work. That's all the black-and-white homework anyone can do, and that doesn't tell the entire story at all.
Sure, he looked in control of that offense. He knew where to go with the ball, and he put up some Tecmo-bowl numbers. But I saw the arm strength of McCoy, and he won't have the benefit of a finely tuned machine to work with anywhere else in the league like he had there.
I'm fond of quoting old rules, and I'm reminded of another which applies to Flynn: Offenses which are running at peak efficiency can make backup QB's look really special. I'm not saying anything about Flynn, but I am talking directly about the situation.
Buyer beware, and said buyer better be right, or such a move will cost him his job and set back the fortunes of a team several years.
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It's you OSU homers that don't want the guy. Just because he beat OSU in the national championship in 2008 and was the offensive MVP! Yeah, it's a Leon/Michigan thing all over again! 
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I'm fond of quoting old rules, and I'm reminded of another which applies to Flynn: Offenses which are running at peak efficiency can make backup QB's look really special. I'm not saying anything about Flynn, but I am talking directly about the situation.
Buyer beware, and said buyer better be right, or such a move will cost him his job and set back the fortunes of a team several years.
Exactly...Cassel in the Pats Offense comes to mind...
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Not only that but I read he has a negative handicap too!
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I think it's going to cost $50+ mil to sign Flynn...
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What I will say is that for anyone expecting to "break the bank" (Mac) on Flynn, they are making one HELLUVA gamble based on two games worth of work.
Toad...did I say "break the bank"?
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Some folks seem to want to say Matt Flynn PROVED he can't be a good starter by throwing six TDs in a game. Makes no sense. He had a game that neither Colt, Seneca nor RG3 could possibly have next season if they started for Green Bay. He satisfied me that he is better right now and next season than any of our options. Signing him lets us use our draft for other things. We can get a project QB to develop and if Flynn sucks, cut him loose in two years. So we eat some cash. It's better than any of our options.
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He had a game that neither Colt, Seneca nor RG3 could possibly have next season if they started for Green Bay.
How many yards did Holcomb have against the Steelers in that playoff game?
How about that game Derek Anderson played against Cincinnatti the year that he lost to Cinci to keep us from the playoffs (2007?).
That's why I don't wanna judge one game
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I'm fond of quoting old rules, and I'm reminded of another which applies to Flynn: Offenses which are running at peak efficiency can make backup QB's look really special. I'm not saying anything about Flynn, but I am talking directly about the situation.
Buyer beware, and said buyer better be right, or such a move will cost him his job and set back the fortunes of a team several years.
Exactly...Cassel in the Pats Offense comes to mind...
And at least Cassel had a whole year.
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My point is that it's highly unlikely that Flynn is a franchise QB hiding behind a franchise QB.
Not for nothing, but Rodgers was a franchise QB hiding behind a Franchise QB. I'm not sure why it couldn't happen again.
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An above average NFL starter who is good enough to keep your team decent and relevant but not good enough to make consistent runs deep into the playoffs or really scare anybody?
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My point is that it's highly unlikely that Flynn is a franchise QB hiding behind a franchise QB.
Not for nothing, but Rodgers was a franchise QB hiding behind a Franchise QB. I'm not sure why it couldn't happen again.
Again, Rodgers was a first round QB who had all the talents but needed to learn the mental side of the game. Flynn is a QB who had an arm that wasn't good enough to see him drafted above the 6th round.
you had a good run Hank.
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The point is when he was given the chance, his team didn't miss a beat.
That can't be ignored.
He has proven that if given some help, he can produce at a high level.
What more do some of you want as proof??
I don't get it.
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My point is that it's highly unlikely that Flynn is a franchise QB hiding behind a franchise QB.
Not for nothing, but Rodgers was a franchise QB hiding behind a Franchise QB. I'm not sure why it couldn't happen again.
It could ..... it's just unlikely.
Rodgers was a first round pick waiting behind Favre. he was the guy who so impressed in practice that the team felt comfortable in letting Favre stay home, and in fact, the team even said that Rodgers would be the starter even if Favre returned.
Rodgers did not play early in his career, but that does not mean that he could not have done so. His one concern entering the NFL was that he might need time to learn a system, as he played in a very simple offense at Cal. He already had exceptional mechanics, a great arm, and the ability to make every throw.
He just happened to go to a team that didn't "need" a QB at the time. It wasn't a deficiency on his part that kept him off the field, it was playing behind a future Hall of fame QB.
Matt Flynn was inexperienced in college as far as playing time. He hasn't gained playing time in the NFL. He has seen the field so little that he hasn't been exposed at all. His deficiencies are still there. He has a so-so arm. His accuracy is not great, neither is his ball placement. We have a QB like that already, or maybe 2. Flynn is taller though ..... for whatever that's worth.
I have this feeling that Flynn is fool's gold just waiting to create a cap disaster for the team that signs him. I hope that's not us.
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His accuracy is not great, neither is his ball placement.
It looked pretty darn good Sunday.
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I should have said that it was reported that in college his accuracy and ball placement were not strengths of his game.
Sorry.
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An above average NFL starter who is good enough to keep your team decent and relevant but not good enough to make consistent runs deep into the playoffs or really scare anybody?
With Hasselbeck at QB the Seahawks made the playoffs six times in ten years and made to the Super Bowl one time (where they got jobbed).
I'll take that.
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An above average NFL starter who is good enough to keep your team decent and relevant but not good enough to make consistent runs deep into the playoffs or really scare anybody?
With Hasselbeck at QB the Seahawks made the playoffs six times in ten years and made to the Super Bowl one time (where they got jobbed).
I'll take that.
You'll take that now because we have sucked for so long and just being in playoff contention seems like a worthy goal... Let us make the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round or get past the first week and then lose in the second round a few years in a row and people will want the coach and the QB run out of town because he "can't win the big one"...
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Yeah, we might be trading one kind of frustration for another, but I'd MUCH rather be frustrated with a perennial playoff team for not winning it all than what we've been dealing with since 1999. 
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I should have said that it was reported that in college his accuracy and ball placement were not strengths of his game.
Sorry.
Fair enough, but Jerry Rice was said to be too slow also.
It's just that so many are willing to point out and offer deficiencies in Flynn's game on one hand and then on the other, say that the "body of work is not sufficient.
I am perplexed by this double standard.
I don't think you can come to any conclusions.
Other then judging him by another's standard and even that argument has holes in it.
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He has proven that if given some help, he can produce at a high level.
What more do some of you want as proof??
I just can't take two games and call that proof Peen.
Derek Anderson started his first game for the Cleveland Browns against the Cincy Bengals in 2007 and threw for 328 yards, 5 TD's, and 1 INT. He completed 20 of 33 passes.
That looked pretty good. Turns out he really really sucked
That's the issue with the FA QB who's gotten 2 starts though, there's very little proof period. Football teams have little to go on to scheme against him, and we don't know if this is consistent or up and down.
Matt Flynn is just a risky call. I just hope that our Front Office really does their homework if they pick a player to replace McCoy be it Flynn, RG3, Luck, or that Tanehill guy
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Ok, since this is going to be the hot-topic for the next 3 months before FA begins (and it should be), let's lay out the positives and negatives.
Feel free to add to the list but I am trying to capture people's opinions here
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GB Offense doesn't appear to drop-off when he is inserted into the game. Unlike in places like Chicago, KC, Indy, etc. where a missing QB has completely hindered the offense.
He is an accurate passer. Don't think this one is very debateable. It was his reputation in college, and he has done nothing in the NFL to show that is not the case.
He knows the WCO. It might not be the exact same offense we will run, but it is very likely it will have the same terminology, same basic route trees, same types of QB reads, etc.
He is a UFA. No compensation required other than his contract.
He has shown (in limited duty obviously) that he can throw accurate deep balls in cold weather.
If we sign a UFA, then we can focus our draft on getting him weapons. Blackmon/Lamar Miller/Adcock becomes a possibility for our top3 picks.
GB's QB coach has proven through Rodgers that he can coach-up a backup QB and get him to play at a very high level (teaching is incredibly important).
He did beat out Brohm who was a 2nd round draft pick in the same draft for GB for the backup job despite the higher investment in Brohm (minor note, but still a note)
He comes from a winning program in GB and perhaps can bring in some intangible aspects (how to work off the field, how to carry a locker room, etc) as other players can do from such programs. Knowing what you need to do to win is an important part of winning (this is obviously not a guarantee but it should be noted).
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Not the most physically adept QB. He's not a towering QB nor is he a huge Big Ben / Cam Newton type guy.
He doesn't have the strongest arm.
He does not have a ton of experience. It is possible that once defenses adjust to his strengths/weaknesses that he may not be able to adjust himself and fail (which is where the Kelly Holcomb comparisons are coming from).
He has looked great in the GB-system with GB-weapons. We do not have those weapons. Can he elevate lesser talent?
He will command a hefty contract. With Barkley staying, there are only 2 top10 draftable QBs in this draft (Luck and RGIII). Miami, Washington, and Seattle will definitely consider him. The Jets, Chiefs, Rams, and others may consider making a switch at QB if they can pay rather than use a draft pick. Probably Kevin Kolb money, but possible that we can get an "out" clause in it after 2 seasons much like is rumored that Arizona has with Kolb (up-front guaranteed money instead of spread out so that there isn't a huge cap-hit or cap-hold if you cut bait).
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My thought on it is that unless our FO is completely sold on RGIII (and he has some negatives though I like him), then we should go after Flynn. We have the lure of utilizing the WCO (which we can say we will mold more like GBs if he we get him), we have a possibility of weapons through the draft, and we have Holmgren (the most senior member of the WCO club in the NFL).
I am not sure if that will be enough for Flynn when he can go to Miami and get back to the warm weather with better weapons already on the team (will depend on who they get to coach), but I would definitely put us ahead of Washington and their littany of issues. Probably ahead of Seattle too. The others are complete wild-cards at this point.
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So you look to a rookie who has never played in the NFL???
Is Flynn going to play like that all the time??
No.
Something tells me we would be better off signing Flynn and using the 2 first rounds on playmakers then signing RGIII if available or having to trade up to get RGIII or Luck.
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"He is a UFA. No compensation required other than his contract."
So why is their talk already of the Franchise tag and the the highest picks they can get in trade ?
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Matt Flynn is just a risky call.
I can't ever remember a time when taking a QB where there was not any risk involved in the equation.
Maybe that's why Holmgren got Farve from Atlanta for his team in GB and like wise with Hasselbeck from GB for his team in Seattle.
Is there a trend there or simply a coincidence?
Luck is probably a safe bet at the top of the Draft, but even there, there is no guarantee and we are not there.
Taking a QB high in the Draft is probably the riskiest move a team ever has to make. We have had our fare share of swing and misses there and that has really set back this franchise, so if they do decide to pull the trigger on Flynn, then I will trust their judgment there, just as I would if they do not.
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man, that would be funny if they franchised their backup QB. I think it would have to lead to a rule change or something.
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"He is a UFA. No compensation required other than his contract."
So why is their talk already of the Franchise tag and the the highest picks they can get in trade ?
if they do that, then that obviously changes things. I don't see how it would work out though.
He signs the tender and is only on the hook for 1yr/$14mil. After that 1 season, he would be a UFA again. You would have to either franchise him again or risk losing him. It would be tough for GB to sign him to a real contract and fit him under their cap.
Also, GB can't franchise Finley who they definitely want to keep (despite the recent drops).
Here's the Milwaukee Sentinel article that spells things out well:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/f..._medium=twitter
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"He is a UFA. No compensation required other than his contract."
So why is their talk already of the Franchise tag and the the highest picks they can get in trade ?
I've heard that Jermichael Finley is also a FA. So if they don't re-sign him in time, they might want to use the tag on him. Finley is supposed to be pretty good
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So why is their talk already of the Franchise tag and the the highest picks they can get in trade ?
LOL, well it's not for the lack of proper information, because I know that I have tried already on a couple of occasions to point that 'fact' out.
I guess that gets in the way of a good story or what not.
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Yea.. It's a risk. Interesting stuff. The Patriots did it and "worked out" a 2nd RD deal for Cassel but they could say Brady was coming off a injury so they had a reason.
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So you look to a rookie who has never played in the NFL???
It comes down to the question of what you're looking for in the body of work to see.
Flynn we see in two NFL games in two years. In both games, did the defense have much time to prepare for him? And what did they have to go off of.
With Luck and RG3, there's an entire college season of football. But it's not NFL football, so you've gotta take what you can from that as well.
Really, I have faith in whatever the Front Office wants to do. As I've said, I just hope there's no outside pressure on them to go in one direction verses the other. And if there's no good option, let's stick with McCoy and improve our team in other areas.
I like Heckert and I like Holmgren, so I want them to make the best decision, long-term, for this football team.
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One step at a time,,, first, get to the playoffs, then worry about the rest..
We are so far from a playoff team,,,
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still very risky though. also not mentioned above is that in any time between Flynn 'signing' with GB and a trade happening, whatever his cap-hit would be has to be in GB's cap-budget.
so, it could really hinder GB at the start of FA if they don't have everything completely agreed to ahead of time. it is a very risky proposition for them (though they could try to do it).
i'd say that if they do end up franchising him though, it puts Miami in the driver's seat because their 1st round pick is worth alot less than ours (we would be less likely to give our pick up for Flynn).
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Something tells me we would be better off signing Flynn and using the 2 first rounds on playmakers then signing RGIII if available or having to trade up to get RGIII or Luck.
This is sounding more and more like the way to go. Getting a qb who is (or isn't) any more proven that the rookies available to us.....AND keeping all of our quality draft picks. Like someone said, it isn't our money.
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It's just that so many are willing to point out and offer deficiencies in Flynn's game on one hand and then on the other, say that the "body of work is not sufficient.
I am perplexed by this double standard.
Let me try to splain it to you...
1. Two games is not sufficient, but it is 2 more NFL games than Luck or RGIII or Weeden or Tannehill have played, but it is still insufficient to say what he will or will not become.. (plus the little playing time he has is on one of the best offenses in football)
2. He does have some characteristics that raise concern. He isn't very tall, he dropped to the 7th for a reason, his arm is reportedly not very strong.
3. Bringing him here is about the same risk as drafting a QB high (with one exception).. because of the rookie cap, I believe he is going to want about the same money as a top 10 draft pick QB.... the exception is that we are NOT using a high draft pick on him which may allow us to use that pick to go get Justin Blackmon, which will make whoever our QB is that much better.
So it's not a double standard it's a "he looked good in very limited action on an offense that has been clicking on all cylinders for a couple years now but there is a risk and potential downside"..
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