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The St. Louis Rams will fire both coach Steve Spagnuolo and general manager Billy Devaney, according to a team source.

Spagnuolo was just 10-38 in three seasons in St. Louis.

The Rams lost 34-27 to the rival 49ers on Sunday to finish the season 2-14, tied with the Indianapolis Colts for the worst record in the NFL.

The lowly mark was an even bigger embarrassment considering it followed a six-win improvement last season. Attendance at Sunday's regular-season finale was announced as 55,990, about 9,000 shy of capacity at the Edward Jones Dome, but the stadium appeared no better than half-full and drained quickly in the second half.

Spagnuolo still talked optimistically about offseason plans after Sunday's loss and never fretted that this could have been his final game.

"I don't go there. I think you know me well enough," Spagnuolo said. "In the middle of that game, in the fourth quarter as exciting as it was? Nah."

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After losing three straight to finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs, the New York Jets will revamp their offensive coaching staff, despite an organizational philosophy of stability, sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

While line coach Bill Callahan does not have a contract beyond this season, the drama will center around offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who this year signed a two-year, $3.2 million extension through 2013.

As coach Rex Ryan said last week, Scottenheimer may get a head coaching job, but if he doesn't, sources say the Jets will strongly consider Norv Turner and Josh McDaniels to replace him as coordinator if either is available.

If Schottenheimer doesn't land a head coaching job, the Jets would not necessarily fire him. They traditionally structure assistant coaches' contracts to allow the team to reassign duties.

Thus, Schottenheimer could face a demotion, but it would hinge on the team's ability to hire a capable replacement, such as Turner or McDaniels.

An option to replace Schottenheimer is Callahan, but that may not be a done deal. The Jets tried to sign Callahan to an extension, even recently, but he decided to keep his options open -- and now he could have leverage.

Former Dolphins coach Tony Sparano also could be in the mix as a replacement for Callahan, but Sparano has been linked to several top assistant jobs.

Schottenheimer insisted Thursday he's not worried about his job security and he doesn't think the final game will have any bearing on whether he returns as the offensive coordinator.

"I'm an excellent football coach," an upbeat Schottenheimer said. "Have we been inconsistent this year? Absolutely. I wish I could put a finger on it and say exactly what it was. There are things, clearly, I can do better. There are things, clearly, the unit can do better, but you don't have time to worry about it."

The Jets' offense has bottomed out the last two weeks, producing only 33 points in 31 possessions in losses to the Philadelphia Eagles and New York Giants. Schottenheimer was heavily criticized for his play calling in the Christmas Eve loss to the Giants, as quarterback Mark Sanchez attempted a career-high 59 passes.

"We lost the game, but Santa still came," said Schottenheimer, defending his play calling.

Publicly, Ryan has expressed lukewarm confidence in Schottenheimer, dodging questions about the future. Schottenheimer said he hasn't received any indication from the team about his future.

"I hate that people are pointing at Schotty and pointing at Mark," Ryan said. "It should be on my shoulders."

Schottenheimer, the son of former longtime coach Marty Schottenheimer, has been around football his entire life and he knows it's a cutthroat business. He saw his father get fired after a 14-2 season with the San Diego Chargers.

"This isn't the first time a Schottenheimer has been criticized," Ryan said. "I'm sure his dad was at some point. Those things happen."

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I think Jauron has gotten his chances at being a head coach and failed. Doesn't seem like anyone would want to hire him unless he was a 5th or 6th choice.

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I hope you are correct for a while at least. I do think that the way Jauron has had our D playing, and if they keep it up and continue to show that heart and consistency, and improving against the run, that eventually he will get another look, but let's hope its after we've won a few Super Bowls. hehe

Good coaches can make average players better, above average players great, and great players elite. But that all takes time, usually. I'd like to have a staff stick around long enough to develop the players the way they want/need them to be so that as a team we become much more successful.

Back to the main topic of the thread...

Typically there are 6 (ish) HC jobs open each year. There are three for sure right now, Jax, KC (I think Romeo has a good chance to stick, but never know), and Miami. That leaves roughly 3 more possibilities...

If I had to wager, and I don't, but I'd say; St Louis, San Diego (although I think firing AJ Smith and keeping Norv 1 more year makes more sense), and finally either Indy or Minn. Long shots could be Phi, mistake in my opinion, and perhaps the giants, if Coughlin were to retire.

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I think Jauron has gotten his chances at being a head coach and failed. Doesn't seem like anyone would want to hire him unless he was a 5th or 6th choice.

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His next HC gig will be right here.

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I think Jauron has gotten his chances at being a head coach and failed. Doesn't seem like anyone would want to hire him unless he was a 5th or 6th choice.

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I think Jauron has gotten his chances at being a head coach and failed. Doesn't seem like anyone would want to hire him unless he was a 5th or 6th choice.

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Well if someone wants to hire Jauron, I want Spags as our D-Coordinator. He was great as D-Coordinator of the Giants. His teams consisted of lots of pressure on the offense

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I can't believe that Schottenheimer told Sanchez to throw those 3 INT today. What the hell was he thinking? I don't know why he made him throw 2 last week along with fumbling the ball. What the hell was he thinking having Sanchez throw 2 INT and fumble away another ball in the Philly game?

You cannot win in the NFL without a QB. One good thing Mangini did was to pass on Sanchez, because he is flat out awful. He's definitely a coach killer... because he'll play just good enough to make you think he can be the solution ..... then he'll string together 3 games like these last 3.

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I fear that Jauron could move on if given the opportunity

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It wouldn't bother me at all. I'd rather have Spagnuolo here. Jauron's defenses do not attack at all. Far too often his defense rushes 3 and drops too many off, allowing the QB to pick the D apart. We went from one extreme (ridiculous blitz all the time Ryan) to the other.

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You see Fitzpatrick yesterday? Pssht lol

I wanna see what we can do with a quality OC and a whole offseason, plus another Heckert draft before I bring out the guillotine. I bet any money Shurmur would admit in private he needs help, and I'm sure him and Walrus talked about this as the season went along.

We've got some pieces on D with Haden, Ward, DQ, Rubin, Sheard, Taylor, and Gocong even played better these last few weeks. We also have some on O with Thomas, Mack, Little (as a #2), Steinback returning, Norwood (slot), and Hillis (if re-signed). I have faith in Heckert to find some more pieces as we move forward.

These guys are all young as well. Add in Pinkston (slides to RG), and Skrine, and a trend is evident. I prefer this approach vs blowing was of cash in FA.

We need Playmakers on O (including QB) and a Thumper on D, but there is a core emerging.

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I fear that Jauron could move on if given the opportunity

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It wouldn't bother me at all. I'd rather have Spagnuolo here. Jauron's defenses do not attack at all. Far too often his defense rushes 3 and drops too many off, allowing the QB to pick the D apart. We went from one extreme (ridiculous blitz all the time Ryan) to the other.

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When the Polians were shown the door Monday, we guessed that Colts owner Jim Irsay was at least partially choosing Peyton Manning over the team’s front office.

If nothing else, it will make it easier to keep Manning on the roster if that’s what Irsay truly wants to do. And there is no bigger fan of Peyton Manning than Jim Irsay.

Speaking on NBC SportsTalk Monday, Peter King supported this notion.

He’s heard that Irsay views Manning’s future as a “family decision” and not a “football decision.”

So what does that mean?

“It means to me that Jimmy Irsay is going to give Peyton Manning his $28 million bonus unless one of two things happen: Manning absolutely can’t play football or Manning wants out,” King said. “So I think Irsay has essentially put the onus on himself to make that huge decision.”

It sets up an interesting scenario for the direction of the Colts franchise. Will Irsay only hire a general manager or coach that want to work with Manning? Then again, will many coaches and general managers not want to work with a healthy Manning if Irsay is playing the bill?

Manning’s health has been lost in all the speculation. We truly have no idea if he’ll ever play pro football again.

If Manning does play again, Irsay’s “family” approach to the business makes it more likely Manning will remain in Indianapolis.

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Irsay is very close to Manning and there was apparent friction between the quarterback and general manager in recent weeks. Polian seemed almost certain to draft a quarterback No. 1 and had been closely tied to Andrew Luck, who yet another Polian worked with at Stanford.

It’s possible the next Colts decision maker could still let go of Manning or draft Luck, of course. But the departure of the Polians appears to make it more likely for Manning to have a future in Indianapolis.

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